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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2014-12-23 12:55 PM (#465620)
Subject: 2014 Merry Christmas to me



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I have bought myself a Christmas present. A 1958 Desoto Firedome Sportsman, 2-door hardtop, Spring Special.
This is the one that Dustin sold to Frank, and then was sold to me.
This is going to be a major project.



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Lancer Mike
Posted 2014-12-23 3:35 PM (#465640 - in reply to #465620)
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Congratulations, Kurt! That's wonderful!
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2014-12-23 3:41 PM (#465642 - in reply to #465640)
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I am happy to see this car in the hands of someone interested in preserving it. It is a VERY
unusual 58 DeSoto and will stand out, even in a crowd of them.

In case this car was never re-united with the missing Spring Sprecial deck lick bars, I have
an incomplete set saved from my wrecking yard days. I am sure they are pretty much unobtainium.
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The Adventurer
Posted 2014-12-23 9:48 PM (#465673 - in reply to #465620)
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Doc if I buy Nicks 58 Adventurer , will you sell me your spare set of Hubcaps ? I cant buy the car unless I know I can get a set of Hubcaps !
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The Adventurer
Posted 2014-12-23 9:49 PM (#465674 - in reply to #465620)
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Great to see the car preserved Kurt , and if I was in the US I would come and give you a hand . It looks like a lot of work ,but not everyone gets to own a 58 Desoto Hardtop as there aren't many left due to many factors !
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The Adventurer
Posted 2014-12-23 9:53 PM (#465675 - in reply to #465620)
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So its Factory Black Top , and the rest Smoke Grey Body and Sweep from Factory with Red Trim !

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Posted 2014-12-23 10:47 PM (#465680 - in reply to #465675)
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I'm glad to see the car made it to your house in lots of pieces. It looks like nothing fell off along the way. As I said this was a major project not for the faint of heart and is going to need lots of parts and welding and time putting it back together right. I decided that I didn't want a 58 Desoto bad enough to spend the amount of time needed for this project. My other projects would have ended up further behind.

Good luck to you Kurt.
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2014-12-23 11:05 PM (#465681 - in reply to #465673)
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Doc if I buy Nicks 58 Adventurer , will you sell me your spare set of Hubcaps ? I cant buy the car unless I know I can get a set of Hubcaps !


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At this time, I plan to run them on my Fireflite, as the standard wheelcovers give me tunabutt, dog dishies
are totally inappropriate on a Fireflite, and the B-J sensation of putting wire wheels on every last Forward
Look convertible is also a source of indigestion.

However ! .....

I would be more than happy to work with you (being the creative reproduction guy that you are) to loan you
the critical centers and spinners for use in a repop project, should that sound of interest to you.
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The Adventurer
Posted 2014-12-23 11:35 PM (#465683 - in reply to #465620)
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Thanks Doc , I appreciate the offer and if I can find some space soon I will maybe call Nick , as that car is always in the back of my mind .

By the way in the next week or so I should be able to show you a New Inner Beaver Panel made from one piece of steel for 57/57 Desoto /Chrysler . Bad news is I don't think the price is going to make any of us happy ! Will keep you posted .

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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2014-12-24 12:05 AM (#465685 - in reply to #465683)
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What are you calling a "beaver panel" ???
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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2014-12-24 12:22 AM (#465687 - in reply to #465685)
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A check of the engine number revealed this weird thing. Not a normal number. It must be a replacement engine. It still has the four bolt valve covers.



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The Adventurer
Posted 2014-12-24 2:26 AM (#465697 - in reply to #465620)
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R Code is a 1961 Chrysler 383 Engine
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The Adventurer
Posted 2014-12-24 2:29 AM (#465698 - in reply to #465620)
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Here is the beaver panel doc . Sits at the rear of the trunk pan and rusts on most cars as it never gets painted from the factory



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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2014-12-24 9:17 AM (#465711 - in reply to #465697)
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The Adventurer - 2014-12-24 2:26 AM

R Code is a 1961 Chrysler 383 Engine



Great. Well, I'm glad I have a parts car with the correct engine.
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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2014-12-24 9:27 AM (#465713 - in reply to #465711)
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In between the front chrome pieces (bumper) of the S/S there is a grill. It is a different design than the parts car.
Was this normal for the S/S ?



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Posted 2014-12-24 9:43 AM (#465715 - in reply to #465620)
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The bottom one looks like the one that was on my '58. The top looks like a hardware store decorative aluminum replacement.

Congrats on saving this car... it will be amazing!
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2014-12-24 1:53 PM (#465742 - in reply to #465715)
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I agree with Roger. Hardware store radiator cover.
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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2014-12-24 10:44 PM (#465784 - in reply to #465742)
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This car is turning out to be one big disappointment. Not only is it cut up and really rusty, it is also missing a lot of parts.
Wrong Engine.
Missing ; gas tank, inner fenderwell passenger side, ALL mouldings on both sides including the Spring Special mouldings at rockers.
And if that is not enough, the electrical system is "Jerry Rigged".

Now to the good points.
It has a good front Windshield, Dashpad, and head liner (but I have to remove the head liner to repair the roof).
It has the sweep inserts for the Spring Special, but they have extra holes in them from someone riveting them on.
Wait. I thought these were good points.
Basically I have a good windshield and Dashpad.

AAAGGGHHH

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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2014-12-25 5:53 PM (#465827 - in reply to #465784)
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These are a few of my favorite things. Not.



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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2014-12-25 6:15 PM (#465830 - in reply to #465827)
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Door panel and kick panel. I will have to make new ones from scratch.



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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2014-12-25 6:18 PM (#465831 - in reply to #465830)
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I found something original. The rear side panels.
Yes, the interior was red and gray, mixed with black.

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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2014-12-25 6:26 PM (#465832 - in reply to #465831)
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I think the putty was holding this car together. When you grind it away, there is hardly any metal there.



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ttotired
Posted 2014-12-25 6:30 PM (#465833 - in reply to #465620)
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Merry Crismas to you

Looks like you got a teacher of sheet metal welding skills for Christmas

Are you still going to fix it, or is it beating you down?

It is hard to fix whats totally not there, so you dont even have a patern to work off

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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2014-12-25 6:50 PM (#465835 - in reply to #465832)
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Don't get me wrong, I am still going to take care of this car. It's just going to take me a lot longer than I thought.
I have two other 58 Desoto parts cars here. So this is the plan. 1st, I will restore the Spring Special using all original type parts from the other cars.
2nd, I will restore another 58 Firedome using parts from the 1959 parts cars here and the 1961 engine from this car.
' good Lord willin'.
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Posted 2014-12-25 8:23 PM (#465838 - in reply to #465620)
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Be like my 6 month resto on my dodge

At least you have the luxury of a parts car or two

I am very keen to watch this car progress

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Posted 2014-12-25 11:56 PM (#465849 - in reply to #465620)
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It was 1500$ if it was solid It would have been much more I assume
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2014-12-26 2:36 AM (#465852 - in reply to #465698)
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Here is the beaver panel doc . Sits at the rear of the trunk pan and rusts on most cars as it never gets painted from the factory


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Where did you get the name "beaver panel" ?

I refer to the entire assembly across the back as the "box rail assembly". That is just
the front part, flipped upside down, right ? I have a decent one for my Fireflite, if I choose
to replace it. I am kinda stalled on the project while I get my shop put together some
more. This S/S car looks a lot like mine did before I tore into it. I replaced the bottom six
inches of the cowl, the entire floor pan, entire rocker assemblies, and now will rebuild the
tail end to finish my rough metal work.
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The Adventurer
Posted 2014-12-26 9:13 AM (#465860 - in reply to #465620)
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Doc Beaver panel is what we call them In Australia . This is the panel underneath as you say nut it spot welds to the upper trunk floor , so they rot out together . My cars only has a bit in the trunk and a few spots in the floor which I am happy about . I imagine they would be rusty on every car that has seen rain .

Wow My Spanish Gold 58 is a dream boat compared to this SS car , but I suppose it was cheap . Even my white 58 is and people are complaining it needs to much work , so they wont buy it !

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Posted 2014-12-26 9:49 AM (#465865 - in reply to #465620)
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Merry Christmas

 

For the New Year and all following years I wish stamina and good luck to you to work on your S/S De Soto project. From the top it doesn't look that bad. Underneath somehow it reminds me to the 1957 Adventurer Convertible project (Raffaele).

 

Happy New Year!

 

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Posted 2014-12-28 2:02 AM (#466015 - in reply to #465620)
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Wow! You've set yourself a task, no mistake about it. I don't think it's going to be a quick restoration, not with that kind of rot. Stll, it will be something to see when it's done. Good luck with that. 

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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2015-01-03 8:53 PM (#466601 - in reply to #466015)
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My car is losing weight.
These are all the panels that were welded on over top of the original metal. Also, they must have put about 10 gallons of Bondo on this car.



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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2015-01-03 10:03 PM (#466608 - in reply to #466601)
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As you can see, they spot welded these panels on with pure gold.



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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2015-01-03 11:42 PM (#466613 - in reply to #466608)
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Oh brother .... I can hear the "Golden Adventurer" stories now ....



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If it means anything to you, this car is no worse than mine was. It has been a long,
tedious process, with life getting in the way more than anything, but it is all very fixable.
There was a time (not THAT long ago) when even a Fireflite convertible would have been
parted out for being "too far gone" in this condition. I was told so more than once by
"helpful" 300 guys.

But all one has to do is watch Jan Fridberg's thread and see how it's done. Slow and
sure.

That car will be a real stunner when restored.
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Posted 2015-01-04 11:44 AM (#466652 - in reply to #465620)
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Before MIG welders were common, it was common practice to braze repair sections onto a car, or use oxy/acetylene welding. Backyard 'Crafters' and inexpensive body shops used pop rivets to secure panels also.

Looks like you've got your work cut out for you, but kudos on saving this Desoto.

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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2015-01-06 8:15 PM (#466887 - in reply to #466652)
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Okay, somebody's in trouble. The numbers don't match. Someone changed the plate that was on the door frame.
I found a Virginia Inspection receipt in the ashtray. It was dated 2002. It has the same VIN as the title.
So I have a title and inspection receipt that say 16295, but the car says 16949. What do I do now ?

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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2015-01-07 11:51 PM (#466964 - in reply to #466887)
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Well, I drilled the rivets out and took off the VIN plate. Those hole left in the plate, from prying it off, matched up perfectly
with the metal that was left on the pillar. So that means, the plate is correct for the car. I don't know where they got
this title, but it does not go with this car. (They must have had two 58 Desotos).
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Posted 2015-01-08 3:15 AM (#466977 - in reply to #465620)
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Not sure what you mean by matched up, but they are all the same size (the plates)

It is possible that the original tag fell off and someone just put that on

I dont believe they ever riveted the tag on, it should be spot welded

You can get a new tag made by a company called AG Backeast (weird name) and if his prices havnt changed, its somewhere around $450

I have to get one for my plymouth (eventually) as its missing

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Posted 2015-01-08 1:13 PM (#467006 - in reply to #466977)
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This project needs some positive news, so let me toss this out ... those S/S deck strips
were shipped to you two days ago. Let me know when you get them.
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Posted 2015-01-08 8:18 PM (#467030 - in reply to #467006)
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I got the deck strips today. Thanks Doctor D.
It works out pretty good, because you had four good ones, and I had two missing, plus two were bent.

Party time. P A R T Y? 'cause I gotta.

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Perfect ! As I mentioned earlier, I never would have used these on one of my cars, but
had saved them all these years simply because they were unobtainium and knew someone
would need them and be in a terrible jam to find some. Glad we could make this work.
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Posted 2015-01-18 11:54 PM (#468005 - in reply to #467036)
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Starting point. I am starting with the inner rockers. Placing them with screws first. Later I will remove them and then paint them, and finally weld them in. They still need some trimming.




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Posted 2015-01-18 11:58 PM (#468006 - in reply to #468005)
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I moved the car outside so I could clean up.



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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2015-01-19 12:09 AM (#468008 - in reply to #468006)
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Playing with colors. I am not keeping the white. I do want to keep the black top. I do not like the original gray ( it just reminds me of gray primer, and it looks like an unfinished car). So I think this car will be some kind of metallic gray, like silver. Something darker than the Aluminum inserts, but much lighter than the Black top.



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Posted 2015-01-19 12:12 AM (#468009 - in reply to #468008)
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Posted 2015-01-19 7:44 PM (#468057 - in reply to #468009)
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The ugliest picture of a 58 Desoto, ever.



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Posted 2015-01-20 10:29 AM (#468110 - in reply to #468008)
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58DeSoDodge59 - 2015-01-19 12:09 AM

Playing with colors. I am not keeping the white. I do want to keep the black top. I do not like the original gray ( it just reminds me of gray primer, and it looks like an unfinished car). So I think this car will be some kind of metallic gray, like silver. Something darker than the Aluminum inserts, but much lighter than the Black top.



I think silver and black would be absolutely stunning!!!! Very good choice! keep up the excellent work!
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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2015-01-20 11:23 PM (#468158 - in reply to #465620)
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I got some news today. I emailed the Chrysler Historical Services, and they confirmed that the VIN on the car is the correct one for the fender/ID tag that is on the car.
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Posted 2015-01-21 12:11 AM (#468162 - in reply to #468158)
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Oh oh! So, now what do you do for a title?
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Posted 2015-02-05 11:22 AM (#469440 - in reply to #468162)
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The paperwork has started for a new title. When I get it, I am going to send for the original records of the car. I am curious to see if this car really came from Norfolk, VA. I bet that all the info that was passed along with this car is all incorrect. I bet it came from the other side of the country, like the beaches of California. There was a lot of sand on top of the brackets of the floor. So, at least once, the car was driven on the beach somewhere. And that would also explain why it is so rusty on the bottom. (Salt Water). Yes, I know they have beaches in Virginia too, but I'm just saying that since the title was wrong, I bet everything else was also.

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jimntempe
Posted 2015-02-05 2:29 PM (#469457 - in reply to #465620)
Subject: Re: 2014 Merry Christmas to me



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