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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112   Location: Wild Wonderful | Jim, I think you're right. I didn't think that I would like the extra gold, with a silver and black car, but then I found this picture. I think that these are the colors that I would like to use for this 58 Desoto. (59Dodge 58Desoto colors.jpg) Attachments ----------------  59Dodge 58Desoto colors.jpg (81KB - 347 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | Well, I sat the car outside for a while. There is one thing I noticed about this car and my parts car. This car has a good tinted windshield, but all the other glass is clear. My parts car has a clear windshield, but all the rest are tinted. Weird, huh? So, of course, I will put all the tinted glass on the Spring Special. In the mean time, the car is freezing. I am working on selling the 59 Dodge Custom Royal 4dr hardtop. (froze 003.jpg) (greendodge1959.jpg) Attachments ---------------- froze 003.jpg (157KB - 312 downloads) greendodge1959.jpg (247KB - 312 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | Sorry, No work done on the car, But I finally received my new Title (with the correct VIN). Now it is time to get in touch with Chrysler Historical and get the true info on this car. (color 1010.jpg) Attachments ---------------- color 1010.jpg (137KB - 355 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | Well, as it turns out, the only thing wrong about this car was the title. It did start it's life in Norfolk, VA. F. A. Roethke Inc. DeSoto - Plymouth I wonder how long they had that title and thinking that it was correct for this car? (58desotoinfo.jpg) (roethke inc ad.jpg) (roethke inc ad1958.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 58desotoinfo.jpg (117KB - 300 downloads) roethke inc ad.jpg (58KB - 343 downloads) roethke inc ad1958.jpg (84KB - 295 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | Wow, this dealership was started in 1911, selling Hupmobiles. Here is another ad in the 1958 phone book. (67-thumb_709.jpg) (67-thumb_.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 67-thumb_709.jpg (84KB - 324 downloads) 67-thumb_.jpg (91KB - 314 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146   Location: bishop, ca | |||
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| LD3 Greg |
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| 58DeSoDodge59 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | Neil, I sent you an Email. The Solex Glass 5: , does it just say the Windshield, or does it say something about the other glass? Because all the other glass on the car is clear. My windshield is tinted. I have seen other peoples info on their 58 Desoto, my question is Why does Chrysler Historical put N/A on items that they already know the information, (because they put it on the other peoples info.) ? They should have a master list for each of these cars. The Steering Wheel: 1 = Special Plastic , Doctor Desoto noted at one point (when Dustin had the car) that this steering wheel was the cheaper rubber wheel that is found on the Firesweep models. So somebody has replaced the wheel at some point. Now, this Special Plastic, does that mean it was two tone plastic? What color plastic was it? It would have to go with the red and gray interior. BTW that "gray" looks black to me. Has anyone figured out what the 9 is under ST , or the 4 under the B ? This is how the info should read. (58desotossinfo.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 58desotossinfo.jpg (124KB - 306 downloads) | ||
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| d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | |||
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| 58DeSoDodge59 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | Dealer ads on back of the magazine People and Places. (earlybird58.jpg) (springsale.jpg) Attachments ---------------- earlybird58.jpg (148KB - 321 downloads) springsale.jpg (147KB - 292 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | Back of July 1958, People and Places. The Desoto is showing off its Spring Special side trim. (faroethkepandp.jpg) Attachments ---------------- faroethkepandp.jpg (348KB - 268 downloads) | ||
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| Peter Panov |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | Sorry. I have not been working on the car, but I have been collecting parts. So far I have received the inside arm rest, the trunk bars and rocker mouldings for the Spring Special, and a good trunk lid. I still need the L-trim for the drivers side B-pillar. I would like to get better doors, and a better door handle for the drivers side. I need both of the Firedome scripts for the quarter panels. And I need the Firedome trim for the front fenders (same as a 4dr Firedome). The rest, I will figure out as I go. I am going to Carlisle Friday, so let me know if anyone has any parts, and I will pick them up there. (inner 009.jpg) Attachments ---------------- inner 009.jpg (206KB - 299 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | I talked with the son of the original owner. He confirmed everything we found out from Chrysler Historical. He confirmed that the interior was red and black. The car was painted black and white. The engine was replaced in the 1960s because of a bad winter that froze the block and it cracked. The interior was reupholstered to black and white. And later, the car was repainted again with black and white. I can confirm that when the car was painted one time, that it was taken apart and the interior,(except the dash), was removed. Below is a picture of the ignition switch that I removed from the car. Notice how it has been over sprayed with the white paint. They got that white paint everywhere. It's also on the wires and the vent system under the dash. Bill (the son), also said that his Dad drove the car every day to work, which was only about 5 miles, from 1958 to 1990. It was also used on the Honeymoon. It was only taken on one or two vacations, but not very far. That puts the mileage at about 110,160 miles. So if all of this information has been confirmed, why is the VIN on the title wrong and that same number is on the inspection receipt? When they do an inspection, they don't look at the title, they look at the plate on the car. Is it possible that the title was with the car that day, and so they didn't bother looking for the plate? It was dated 2002, so the mechanics probably didn't know where to look for it. So the update on the car is that I recently bought a new door handle for the drivers door. Since I did not have any keys that worked any of the locks I took a couple of old locks from the other cars and rebuilt a good set of locks, so now the ignition key is the same as the doors,(as it is suppose to be). And now I have two decent looking handles too. (ign 003.jpg) (58handles 004.jpg) Attachments ---------------- ign 003.jpg (157KB - 312 downloads) 58handles 004.jpg (207KB - 295 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1048 Location: PL / EU | a few pics of Roethke (F.A. Roethke_001.JPG) (F.A. Roethke_002.JPG) (F.A. Roethke_003.JPG) (F.A. Roethke_004.JPG) Attachments ---------------- F.A. Roethke_001.JPG (129KB - 306 downloads) F.A. Roethke_002.JPG (91KB - 285 downloads) F.A. Roethke_003.JPG (79KB - 280 downloads) F.A. Roethke_004.JPG (78KB - 340 downloads) | ||
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| 58DeSoDodge59 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | |||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | Well, as you may know, I sold the 59 Custom Royal. So I put the 1958 Desoto Firedome Spring Special back in the garage. I am continuing to tear it down. I need to bitch a little bit more first. I keep finding new things that the young guy in MN did to it before he sold it. Now I know why he dropped the price down so low. He burnt the wires in the ignition system. Heaven only knows what other parts got burnt up. Do you remember the gas tank that he was doing electrolysis on? He said it had pin holes in it, so he threw it away. I asked him if he knew about the POR15 gas tank sealer? He said no, but I seen an earlier post (on another site) of where he was going to use the POR15. I hate liars. Sorry, I just had to get that off my chest. So, as you know, I am in the tear down phase. Here are some things that I have to fix along the way. (around 015.jpg) (around 012.jpg) (teardown 001.jpg) (teardown 018.jpg) (teardown 032.jpg) Attachments ---------------- around 015.jpg (215KB - 269 downloads) around 012.jpg (190KB - 305 downloads) teardown 001.jpg (220KB - 261 downloads) teardown 018.jpg (181KB - 285 downloads) teardown 032.jpg (248KB - 268 downloads) | ||
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| 58DeSoDodge59 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | Well everybody, it has been a year since I got this car. I am continuing to take the car apart. Being in the Virginia Beach area all of its life was not good for this car. I am finding sand in all the nooks and crannies. Besides the sand, I also found a bottle opener and a chewed up pencil inside the vents. I cut the rubber seal from the front windshield and as I was pulling it away from the glass, I put a crack in it. It seems that no matter how careful I am, that always happens. Why couldn't that have happened to the back glass instead, I was going to replace that anyway? Whenever I get finished crying, I will start looking for a replacement. The guys that repainted this car were good at rigging things. They put gobs of sealant on the seals to hold the trim on around the windows. I am getting a friend of mine to do the sand blasting of the car in January. (band 001.jpg) (band 005.jpg) (skel 003.jpg) (sealsealant.jpg) Attachments ---------------- band 001.jpg (232KB - 276 downloads) band 005.jpg (220KB - 278 downloads) skel 003.jpg (249KB - 275 downloads) sealsealant.jpg (159KB - 280 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | After removing all the removable parts from the body,(except the doors) I pushed it outside and hosed it down. Hopefully I got the salt and remaining sand washed off the car. Of course, I had to clean up the floor again. It's funny when you work on one side of the car and parts fall off the other side. (skel 005.jpg) (skel 002.jpg) Attachments ---------------- skel 005.jpg (245KB - 271 downloads) skel 002.jpg (234KB - 283 downloads) | ||
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| Lancer Mike |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | I was curious if this Spring Special had all three of the Spring Special items. It, obviously, has the aluminum sweep inserts and the trim bars on the trunk, but the rocker panel trim was missing. The rockers were so rusty that you just could not tell if they were there or not. But when I removed the last front fender, I found a screw hole. It is in the perfect place for the rocker trim to be installed. So that means that this Spring Special DID have all three items installed.   (way2.jpg) (way1.jpg) Attachments ---------------- way2.jpg (236KB - 275 downloads) way1.jpg (169KB - 255 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | Hey Doc, you might be happy to hear that my replacement trunk lid came from a Chrysler 300. As you can see, I have welded the 300 emblem holes closed and I have drilled the new holes for the DESOTO and the Spring Special bars. (300lidtodesoto.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 300lidtodesoto.jpg (189KB - 263 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | Lancer Mike - 2015-12-18 5:30 PM Nice work, Kurt! Mike, Thanks. But I don't think that it is even the end of the beginning. I am still cutting off the bad sections. At this rate, I'm not sure that there is going to be anything left. But I am having fun. Over the Christmas Holiday, I was able to work on it without the heater running. It has been, unseasonably warm here. I have been in short sleeves the past few days. That's crazy. I love it. What a Christmas present. (Sorry Doctor DeSoto, I don't mean to rub it in). Edited by 58DeSoDodge59 2015-12-28 1:02 AM (window 005.jpg) Attachments ---------------- window 005.jpg (223KB - 261 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | My new passenger side floors are just laying in there for now. I removed the glass from the doors. The drivers window was not even seated in a track. They just put sealant on the bottom of it and tried to stick it to the window regulator frame. I have been coming across a lot of screws that are so rusty that they break, or strip. (window 003.jpg) Attachments ---------------- window 003.jpg (221KB - 250 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | I bought some Nickel color spray paint. I like it the best so far. The yellow paint in the trunk is where I will be cutting. (window 004.jpg) Attachments ---------------- window 004.jpg (201KB - 251 downloads) | ||
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| Powerflite |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9649 Location: So. Cal | |||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | No, I never got back to the rockers yet. I guess that was a little misleading, but I put those floor panels in there to make sure that I had enough metal to cover the holes. I bought the inner rockers from Classic parts4U. It comes in three pieces. I am working from back to front on them. I set the first two in there, but for the front, I got as far as taking measurements to cut it properly. It comes to a point in the front. I also bought floor braces from Eriksson in Finland. I do plan on taking pictures as I go and posting them here. I am very slow at getting things done, so maybe you will beat me to it. I hope to get this body sand blasted first, so I can see some good metal to weld to.  | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | I did some work on the passenger rocker panel again. The front part needed to come to a point. So after some measuring and cutting and clamping and recutting and reclamping, I finally have them set where they need to go.... I think. (hifirepair 015.jpg) (hifirepair 017.jpg) Attachments ---------------- hifirepair 015.jpg (246KB - 259 downloads) hifirepair 017.jpg (241KB - 258 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9649 Location: So. Cal | |||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | Yes, I will be replacing some of the other pieces around there. Here are the dimensions for the inner rockers. Also, the front panel starts an upward angle at about the drain plug that is located under the front seat area. (dimrock.jpg) (hifirepair 016.jpg) Attachments ---------------- dimrock.jpg (47KB - 271 downloads) hifirepair 016.jpg (212KB - 260 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | Empty (hifirepair 019.jpg) Attachments ---------------- hifirepair 019.jpg (171KB - 265 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | The things that you find when restoring a car. Some writing inside the speedometer housing. It looks like 10-13-59 , so somebody must have repaired it. But what is the rest of the writing ? Somebody broke off a drill bit in the floor. And they just left it there. Why were they drilling a hole there? (namedate.jpg) (goody 001.jpg) Attachments ---------------- namedate.jpg (178KB - 235 downloads) goody 001.jpg (198KB - 244 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | Nathan, Remember to test fit your door sills before welding the inner rockers in place. I welded my pieces together, then tried the door sills. I had to re-cut them to get the right angle on them. (goody 035.jpg) Attachments ---------------- goody 035.jpg (206KB - 254 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | I thought that you guys might like to see these pictures. I installed some extra bracing in my ceiling and used some straps and a come-along to hang the body from the rafters. I have to get it just a little higher so I can push the frame outside and then put a rotisserie under it. The rotisserie belongs to the sandblaster guy, but I am thinking that I need one. The body still needs to go to the sandblasters and I can work on the frame. The sandblaster guy said he is not going to do it until it gets warmer. (His booth is outside). (hangingon.jpg) (hangingover.jpg) (hangingup.jpg) Attachments ---------------- hangingon.jpg (208KB - 234 downloads) hangingover.jpg (225KB - 231 downloads) hangingup.jpg (242KB - 260 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | The exciting look and feel of the future. You know, that after buying this 58 DeSoto, I just HAD to have the button. (future 010.jpg) Attachments ---------------- future 010.jpg (154KB - 253 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9649 Location: So. Cal | That button is cool. I really like this full size standup. I wish I had a better resolution picture of it. (Groucho58Desoto.jpg) Attachments ---------------- Groucho58Desoto.jpg (91KB - 249 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | |||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9649 Location: So. Cal | Apparently, someone at Carlisle had it. I just got the picture of it on the net. Here is another one from 1956 too. I would bet that guy did light Groucho's cigar at the start of '57. (GrouchoStandup.jpg) (1956_desoto_car_dealership_c.jpg) Attachments ---------------- GrouchoStandup.jpg (201KB - 232 downloads) 1956_desoto_car_dealership_c.jpg (358KB - 240 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | Yes, I did see the 58 Groucho at Carlisle. I'm sure it belongs to the guy with the red and white 58 DeSoto. I took my red and white 59 Dodge. It was pretty fun, but I wish more people would have shown up. (carlisle2015.jpg) Attachments ---------------- carlisle2015.jpg (151KB - 247 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | Well, I pushed the frame outside today and sprayed it down with the hose. I sprayed in each one of the holes until the chocolate milk turned back to water. (separateddesoto.jpg) Attachments ---------------- separateddesoto.jpg (224KB - 243 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | I made some fresh cuts. Some major work is going to happen next month. Stay tuned. And wear your safety glasses. (cuttingmore 011.jpg) (cuttingmore 010.jpg) (cuttingmore 009.jpg) (cuttingmore 008.jpg) Attachments ---------------- cuttingmore 011.jpg (167KB - 244 downloads) cuttingmore 010.jpg (202KB - 231 downloads) cuttingmore 009.jpg (210KB - 247 downloads) cuttingmore 008.jpg (202KB - 230 downloads) | ||
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