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Posted 2015-03-10 3:33 AM (#472131)
Subject: 60 dodge fender spear question



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did they make two different fender spears fitments for dart and full size ---------------------------------------later
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Posted 2015-03-10 6:43 PM (#472167 - in reply to #472131)
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Yep
Well at least they made 2 different mountings

I bought 2 nos spears from different suppliers and when I went to fit them, I found 1 had 2 cast in bosses in the front (I think or was it the back) end and the studs were in a shorter spacing

I had to drill and tap the second boss so it would fit and I also had to grind the recess for the ridge in the fender into it as well

Just another little challenge along the way to putting mine together

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Posted 2015-03-11 5:12 PM (#472236 - in reply to #472131)
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thanks perth , would you happen to be able to get the parts numbers of each ---------------------------------------------------------later
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Posted 2015-03-11 5:27 PM (#472239 - in reply to #472131)
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Theyre bolted on now Chuck

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Posted 2015-03-11 8:01 PM (#472254 - in reply to #472131)
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The old ones (std phoenix) has a part number of 1863342

I tried to find that number in my parts book and it wasnt there?

All I could find was a name plate package for the polara and matadore, no mention of the darts having them at all

What was interesting was that the 60 desoto appears to have the same spears

Its then possible that the one I have with the 2 cast in bosses might be for a desoto?

Just for curiocity, if I get a chance, I will take that one off to see the number (might be a few days or so though)

I'll PM you when I do Chuck

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Posted 2015-03-13 3:07 PM (#472385 - in reply to #472131)
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My older brother's 1960 Dodge Dart Phoenix had the fender spears when he first got it. He had an accident with it and ran into someone at night. It was not a serious accident and he wasn't hurt, but the fenders were mangled so badly that they were replaced by the body shop with fenders that did not have the fender spears - probably from the Seneca or Pioneer line. This accident happened when the car was only 8 years old so there must have been fenders around which would have had the holes ready drilled. I don't believe he ever explained to me why he didn't have it put back correctly but it was probably an insurance job and "good enough" is "good to go" usually for those robbers. 

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Posted 2015-03-29 4:55 PM (#473790 - in reply to #472131)
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The Aussie book is different than the American book. The numbers that I have in my book is 2196 412 and 2196 413. These are for the PD3 and PD4 and is a package.
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Posted 2015-03-29 7:53 PM (#473817 - in reply to #472131)
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thanks pa . so 2 numbers means 2 different parts , but they aren't marked right or left ---------------------------------------------later


and the bolt spreads are different !!!!!!!!!!

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Posted 2015-03-31 12:30 AM (#473928 - in reply to #472131)
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Part number 2196 412 is for a fender ornament package for the D3-H (Dodge Dart 6 Phoenix) and D4-H (Dodge Dart V8 Phoenix). The book lists 2 per car so the unit is left or right.

Part number 2196 413 is a fender ornament package for the D2-H (Dodge Polara). Again the lists 2 per car so the unit is left or right. They also list a base for the ornament, 2196 414-5, where 414 (even) is right and 415 (odd) is left.

The 1960 DeSoto is listed as using fender top medallion 2196 500, (2 per car) which is also listed for the 1960 Chrysler.

1863342 is probably the casting number for one of the pieces in the package. Each casting or stamping was issued a unique number, and the combined unit, including any mounting hardware, was given a unique part number. The number does fall into the same group as a number of ornaments and nameplates used on hoods and fenders of various 1960 Mopar car lines.
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Posted 2015-03-31 4:04 AM (#473936 - in reply to #472131)
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well heres the thing . i got a nos set in the same oem package with the 2 different numbers and 2 different bolts spreads . i threw the package as it was in real bad shape and
i don't remember the parts package number on the box . i've never seen em with the 2 diff. bolt spreads and i've had quite a few---------------------------------------------later
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Posted 2015-03-31 6:37 PM (#474003 - in reply to #472131)
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Thats what happened to me

I am semi sure that the one with the extra bolt bosses are for a Matador, but I dont see them offer different numbers in the parts book?

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Posted 2015-03-31 8:20 PM (#474027 - in reply to #472131)
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I am getting ready to take the spears off of a set of fenders, I will let you know what I find.
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Posted 2015-04-02 6:44 PM (#474180 - in reply to #472131)
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I removed the fender spears from my 1960 Phoenix today. The numbers and letters are the same on both except for the letter between the bolt posts. The pass. side has the letter 3 on the right leg and the driver side has a 4 on the right leg. There is a difference between them, if you put them side by side there is a slight curve at the narrow end.
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Posted 2015-04-02 8:31 PM (#474186 - in reply to #472131)
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Are the mounting holes identical or are they different so you can't mistakenly put them on the "wrong" fender?
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Posted 2015-04-02 9:07 PM (#474192 - in reply to #472131)
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They are identical. I made a small mistake on my last post, on the driver side spear the 4 was on the left leg.
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Posted 2015-04-02 9:15 PM (#474194 - in reply to #472131)
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The numbers 186334-2 are on the inside narrow end and the letters AAKH are on the inside at the wide end where the sail is. The mapar mark is in front of them.
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