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skyhawk |
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Veteran Posts: 161 Location: newton north carolina | During the current "re-do" of my 59 Plymouth Fury, I installed a '68 383 and a '63 727 cable shifted Torqueflite. There was no trouble getting the '63 trans cable hooked to the '59 push buttons...it hooked right up and the buttons appear to shift the trans OK. BUT, a chance examination of the '63 shift button quadrant (from a '63 Chrysler non-letter 300) showed the "Drive" button and the "Reverse" button are opposite in the cars..."D..N..R..2..1" for the Plymouth and "Reverse..Neutral..Drive..Second..First" for the Chrysler. I haven't fired the car up yet (still in assembly) so I hadn't noticed anything. Those of you who have done a swap like this, how did you solve this problem? (I thought things were progressing too easily. lol) Thanks. Dennis | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9604 Location: So. Cal | I haven't run across this myself, but I am almost certain that it doesn't matter. The reason is that the shift mechanism at the trans will still go from Park(different or absent on cable shifted transmissions)-Reverse-Neutral-Drive-2nd-Low. Every trans that I have ever run across has the exact same pattern. Therefore, I suspect that the mirror image that you saw was just the push button mechanism that swapped positions, but both push button mechanisms will pull on the cable the same for each respective position. | ||
skyhawk |
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Veteran Posts: 161 Location: newton north carolina | Thanks for your help on this. I haven't seen any site traffic on this swap posing a problem, but I wanted another opinion before I went too deep into using the 59 pushbuttons. Dennis | ||
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Expert Posts: 1324 Location: Hickory, NC | It seems the '59 Plymouth and Imperial have the different pattern as far as button layout. Both had vertically aligned buttons. (D N R 2 1) Everything afterwards had the more logical layout... (R N D 2 1) Not sure why?? (pushbuttons-1959 Plymouth.jpg) (pushbuttons-1963PlymouthFury.jpg) (pushbuttons-64 Valiant.jpg) Attachments ---------------- pushbuttons-1959 Plymouth.jpg (148KB - 378 downloads) pushbuttons-1963PlymouthFury.jpg (64KB - 729 downloads) pushbuttons-64 Valiant.jpg (232KB - 2768 downloads) | ||
hoodinki |
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Veteran Posts: 119 | The buttons are installed wrong in that first photo. | ||
ttotired |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8443 Location: Perth Australia | Apparently not I thought the same thing when I first saw it, but have a look for 59 plymouth push buttons and you will see that they are all like that, even the 2 speeds | ||
hoodinki |
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Veteran Posts: 119 | No wonder the Government stepped in and standardized it. | ||
Chrycoman |
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Expert Posts: 1819 Location: Vancouver, BC | Actually, the first government standards were not put into place until 1968, long after Chrysler laid the buttons to rest. A few years back one writer did an article on the 1960 Valiant and related an incident with his wife. He owned a 1960 Valiant and his wife had a 1959 Plymouth. One day she drove his Valiant and in backing out of the garage drove into the wall ahead of her. That was when they noticed the different locations of the R and D buttons on the two cars. Even cars with column shift differed. A friend owned a 1965 Chevy II and I had a 1964 Studebaker. Both automatics, but when he drove the Studebaker he couldn't get it to back up. Said the reverse gear would not engage, The Chevrolet was P-R-N-D-L, while the Studebaker was P-N-D-L-R. | ||
JT Vincent |
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Expert Posts: 1493 Location: Jamaica Plain, MA | Here's an interesting one. Given the 59 Plymouth V cluster arrangement was reminiscent of 57-63 Imperials in the vertical arrangements of the push buttons-- note the weird order discrepancies in the order of the buttons. If you were a rich person and you bought a new Imperial each year, you also probably bought a new garage every year. Only the 1959 Imperial is in the same order as the 59 Plymouth. See from top to bottom: 1957 NRD21 1958 NDR21 1959 DNR21 1960-65 RND21 Edited by JT Vincent 2015-09-09 5:27 PM (57 imp.jpg) (58 imp.jpg) (59 imp.jpg) (60 imp.jpg) (61 imp.jpg) (62 imp.jpg) (63 imp.jpg) (64 imp.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 57 imp.jpg (155KB - 265 downloads) 58 imp.jpg (187KB - 270 downloads) 59 imp.jpg (174KB - 253 downloads) 60 imp.jpg (92KB - 315 downloads) 61 imp.jpg (168KB - 276 downloads) 62 imp.jpg (138KB - 747 downloads) 63 imp.jpg (226KB - 297 downloads) 64 imp.jpg (222KB - 297 downloads) | ||
skyhawk |
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Veteran Posts: 161 Location: newton north carolina | My thanks to all of you for your comments, photos, and suggestions. In case this question comes up again, I encountered NO issues at all bolting a 1963 aluminum 727 cable shift Torqueflite to the shift buttons on a stock 59 Plymouth originally equipped with a cast iron Torqueflite. I used the stock 63 shift cable with no mods at all. Despite the scrambling of the button order over the years, everything just fell into place. I used the "PARK" cable and lever assembly from the 63 Chrysler donor car, fabbed up a mounting assembly, and hooked it up. The pics below show the unit as constructed, then installed on the left side of the kick panel to the left of the emergency brake handle. Every thing bolted up and it's unobtrusive, but it's not idiot-proof. I have to remember to disengage the park lever (push down) before trying to move the car...engine torque in "drive" is more than enough to overcome the parking sprag, with the resulting ratcheting noises. The third photo show the completed installation; it's the shiny "thingie" on top of the white windshield washer pedal, just to the left of the emergency brake t-handle. Push "down" to disengage PARK, "up" to engage. Almost impossible to hit it with your knee and engage while moving. Edited by skyhawk 2015-12-07 9:17 PM (park assembly resized.jpg) (IMG_0034.JPG) (IMG_0022.JPG) Attachments ---------------- park assembly resized.jpg (61KB - 308 downloads) IMG_0034.JPG (46KB - 257 downloads) IMG_0022.JPG (70KB - 237 downloads) | ||
57chizler |
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Expert Posts: 3768 Location: NorCal | I agree, the shifter mechanism itself and its action are all the same but some of the plastic buttons are molded in a different shape to conform to the shape of the quadrant i.e. buttons in a square cluster versus buttons arranged in a line. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7385 Location: northern germany | JT Vincent - 2015-09-09 5:11 PM Here's an interesting one. Given the 59 Plymouth V cluster arrangement was reminiscent of 57-63 Imperials in the vertical arrangements of the push buttons-- note the weird order discrepancies in the order of the buttons. If you were a rich person and you bought a new Imperial each year, you also probably bought a new garage every year. Only the 1959 Imperial is in the same order as the 59 Plymouth. See from top to bottom: thanks for pointing that out. its one of the "wth?" things that make absolutely no sense. what were they thinking? if i would have been a $$$ frequent buyer of new imps in the late 50s (unlikely) i would have bought/fixed garage doors or walls regularly. | ||
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