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Location: Dalveen, Queensland, Australia | I'll bet the wheels are illegal...
They'd be fitted with spacers for sure. That's okay in the US, illegal in all states in Australia. |
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Location: Newcastle Australia | 20*14s on the rear aren't legal, and there would need to be some chassis work and tubs to get them to fit. |
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Location: Alaska | I wouldn't have those wheels on any of my cars but why are they illegal in OZ? |
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Location: Dalveen, Queensland, Australia | Because they have spacers...
Being made for modern cars with more inset, they have to be spaced out to sit right on the older-style suspensions. Additionally, you aren't permitted here to widen the track by much at all, I think it's about an inch. And then there's the issue of simple wheel width, I'm not sure what modern requirements are on that.
During my trips to the US I saw literally hundreds of cars and pickups that would have been defected for immediate removal from the road had they been in Australia. And thousands more which would have been given a few days to remedy 'faults'. Your rules on rust are very lenient compared to ours as well. |
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Location: Perth Australia | Their rules on everything (automotive) are very lenient compared to ours
Funny thing I found out the other day was, if I get this hearse (havnt heard anything except screams of dis approval from the wife) I was thinking of the fly drive way of getting it here
Here you have to get a permit if you want to drive an unlicensed vehicle on the road, so I did some checking and found out that I have to get 2 permits.
The car is in NSW (east coast) and I am in the west and the permit that I get to drive from NSW will only work up to the Western Australian border, then I have to have one from WA to drive the rest
What a crock of sh1t, anyway I am not a fan of those wheels either, I prefer the 5 spoke type or stockies or deed dished steelies
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Location: Newcastle Australia | The wheel requirements are different in each state. The outside rolling circumference of the tyre can't increase by more than 50mm, which restricts you to 18inch wheels at most. Wheel width in most states is maximum of 10 inches, some states allow 12 inches. The engineer certification is listed as L08 which used to be for modifying an existing vehicle. Wider wheels can be fitted but then the certification levels change and a whole new ballgame starts.
In the last photo the wheels are mounted using allen head bolts. This would imply that there is a spacer between the disc and the wheel as Ray said.
The other problem is how do you fit 14 inch wheels in the wheel well. There is less than 14 inches between the chassis rail and the outer wheel well, and there are no obvious signs that the body has been flared. So has the chassis been narrowed to get the wheels to fit? |
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Location: Newcastle Australia | ttotired - 2015-04-12 9:28 AM
Their rules on everything (automotive) are very lenient compared to ours
Funny thing I found out the other day was, if I get this hearse (havnt heard anything except screams of dis approval from the wife) I was thinking of the fly drive way of getting it here
Here you have to get a permit if you want to drive an unlicensed vehicle on the road, so I did some checking and found out that I have to get 2 permits.
The car is in NSW (east coast) and I am in the west and the permit that I get to drive from NSW will only work up to the Western Australian border, then I have to have one from WA to drive the rest
What a crock of sh1t, anyway I am not a fan of those wheels either, I prefer the 5 spoke type or stockies or deed dished steelies
Won't you need a permit for South Australia as well?? |
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Location: Perth Australia | Nope, the NSW one works everywhere but here (money grubbing government)
The journey has to start in NSW though, If the car was in Vic, I would have to get one from there, but same rules apply
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Location: Dalveen, Queensland, Australia | At least the NSW permit requires no inspection (you sign a declaration that it's roadworthy, that is all) and only costs $28 for up to five days. I'm surprised that it's not acceptable in WA...
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Location: Alaska | The permit requirement applies here too. If you wanted to drive an unlicensed car home, you would need to get a permit, not sure if you would need one from each state you crossed. In the US we also have safety and equipment requirements, but if you want to drive a "rust bucket" as long as it is legal, it's your business. That is called "freedom" The police don't usually check for equipment violations unless it's used as an "excuse" to stop you. I can't remember ever having my horn checked by the police, for instance, but do remember at the DMV for a driving test, they check everything. |
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Location: Perth Australia | Some times the police will have a blitz, where they set up a road block and funnel all the cars through it and you will get breathalyzed, license checked and your car will get an inspection (including noise test)
A lot of cars will get repair notices in these blitzes and a few wont make it past them and leave on tow trucks
I noticed that on the form Ray, I think its funny
You have to get a permit to drive the car and sign a dec that its roadworthy, what happens if you go to a garage to get it checked and it isnt?
Technically, you cant drive it after that, because its been found not to be roadworthy, so either the garage fixes it, or you tow it home
Found the same thing when I had my learners permit for my motorbike license, when I went for my P plate license (provisional license, used to last for a year, then you are on full license), I wondered what the story was if you failed?
I thought it was funny that you could do this test and if you failed (not riding good enough), you could just get on the bike again and ride home (or wherever) and keep riding until you could be tested again
When I did mine, the restriction was no bigger than 250 cc until you were on a full licence, then you could have whatever you like
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Location: Dalveen, Queensland, Australia | When they told me a declaration was all that was required I was delighted...
I was picking up my truck from the Bond Store and to have to get it inspected might well have taken some time, there is obviously some cost, and if anything was found wrong with it that required fixing (I don't think they're as strict with permits) then more time and more money... all 800kms from home.
The ACT doesn't require an inspection, that's what I used last time, but it is a bit dearer. And you have to go to Canberra to get it.
The declaration asks specifically whether some things are okay:
Lights and indicators
Wheels and tyres
Windscreens and windows
Seats and seatbelts
Brakes
Steering
Horn
As I had already driven the pickup 1,200 miles in the US I knew what was what with it and happily signed. But that was before this:
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Location: Perth Australia | Breakdowns would be my major concern if I was driving a car east to west, that bit between Adelaide to Perth, in particular is a bit of a "no mans land" and even a minor fault if you didnt have something to fix it would be an expensive, major drama
When I drove my old holden across, it spun a timing gear (fibre cam gear) at the South Australian/Western Australian border
I actually had a spare and the tools to fix it, but I also had full roadside assistance (insurance) as well and I really didnt want to change it at a motel in the middle of nowhere, so I never let on that I had it
They (insurance company) spent 3 days trying to find one and gave up, they paid for the accommodation for me and my family and a 1000km tow to the town we were going to
Got my moneys worth out of that
I wonder if you could get that insurance on a car thats on a permit?
Worry about that when/if it happens
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Location: Albany Western Australia | I did the tripfrom Adelaide to Albany in the Desoto November 2013, there was some prior planning went into it the biggest headache we had was fuel usage ind a non operational fuel guage. Plenty of room for jerry cans in the hearse. Interestingly the car i was driving eas licensed in South australia but because I did not transfer it to my name there I needed a permit from the WA border.
Would I do it again? yes without a moments hesitation |
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Location: Dalveen, Queensland, Australia | No need to ask me what I think...
I went to the US, fitted a manual gearbox to a RAM350 van, had a look at the brakes and the wheel bearings, fitted a different carby and then set out to drive it maybe 11,000 miles. In the end I drove it 14,400 miles in eight weeks and returned to Spokane to pick up the pickup shown above, which we did an oil change on and then I drove it 1,200 miles to Long Beach, then got it off the ship and drove it 550 miles home from Sydney on the aforementioned permit.
I made sure I had tools all the way, of course. And there is a story attached to the pickup. But the key to all of this is the statement my friend and helper in Spokane had to say. I'd just got back with the van and was loading up the pickup with a ton and a half of stuff I was shipping home with it, a friend of John's came in and John told him what I was doing and what I had done. He expressed surprise.
"Oh yeah," John said, "Ray's a real 'leap of faith' man!"
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Location: Perth Australia | There was (or is) a van like that for sale here, dont think they wanted much for it either
Could have made a reasonable work van out of it
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Location: Dalveen, Queensland, Australia | A tremendous vehicle to drive...
They come in a whole range of sizes, mine is the largest. It's also got some nice fittings inside. You might see it one day when I do some Aussie mileage in it, I'll be bringing it home after my next US trip. |
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Location: Perth Australia | Coincidentally, it re appeared
http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/beechboro/cars-vans-utes/1986-dodge-...
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Location: Dalveen, Queensland, Australia | Yes, neat...
That one's about 18" shorter than mine, it's probably got the 5-stud wheels instead of the 8-stud. And, of course, it hasn't been converted to manual!
I wonder how come it's registered and LHD, don't they have to be 30 years old in WA? |
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Location: Perth Australia | I dont think there is any restriction on that anymore here
The only thing I remember about it when I was asking about my plymouth was that, once converted, they couldnt be converted back and if it was lhd, you wernt allowed to use it for a paid limo service (like doing weddings)
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Location: Dalveen, Queensland, Australia | There's definitely a 30-year requirement in the Eastern States, I was told that once 2019 arrives even 30 years won't count, all 1989 and later models have to be converted to RHD.
This is why the two pickups I've imported have been older ones and now I'm very happy (having experienced driving this van) I'm happy that it's almost 30 years old. |
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Location: Albany Western Australia | 25 years in WA
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