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1961plymouthfury
Posted 2015-07-01 9:21 PM (#483367)
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I was wondering were can I get a good pair of rear quarter panels for a 1961 plymouth fury 2drht? Will a pair from a 1961 dodge work? or a 1960 I noticed the fender design is identical to all 3 cars I need the bottom part . I will post a photo of what I need. I do not want to call it quits on the car but if I need to I will save up my funds and take it to a local body shop in Pulaksi, TN. I am going to try to save the passenger rear fender.

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1960fury
Posted 2015-07-02 8:24 AM (#483394 - in reply to #483367)
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the usual mistake has already been done and its not reversible. much too much metal has been cut away. i know i will get the answer it was all rust but i don't think that was the case. one can carefully reconstruct the panel and if done properly its like original and no other car has to die for it. i did that 100 times with cars that were MUCH rustier.
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1961plymouthfury
Posted 2015-07-02 10:39 AM (#483408 - in reply to #483367)
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Here is the drivers side before it was cut out . I am wondering will the bottom rear quarter panel of a 1960 or '61 dodge would also work out on my '61?.

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jimntempe
Posted 2015-07-02 12:17 PM (#483424 - in reply to #483367)
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Question for you body work experts. On cars with a lot of pinholes, perhaps like this car where apparently it was thought the panel area was too rusted to keep, assuming the metal can hold shape while you work it and clean off the rust can't lead or solder be "melted" and worked into and over the whole area to fix it and make it "all metal" again to stop the rust and fix it?
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1961plymouthfury
Posted 2015-07-02 12:55 PM (#483430 - in reply to #483424)
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How close are you to DVAP? I believe they have a'61 fury 2drht. I would like to know if they have the rear quarter panels on the car. If you are too far I can give them a call or send an email. I know rocker panels , floor panels and trunk panels are made for this car but it sure as hell would be nice of rear quarters are made for the '61 plymouth
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Posted 2015-07-02 1:53 PM (#483436 - in reply to #483367)
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If you are asking me it's about 35 miles from where I'm at. I was there a few months ago and saw very very little of the FL era, most were early 60's and newer. I'm leaving town today for a month so can't do you much good anyway.
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Posted 2015-07-02 3:36 PM (#483443 - in reply to #483367)
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DVAP is the yard that took my money for parts they didn't have and didn't want to give a refund . so i called their local police department to get things right
again . within 2 days of my call i had my money back ---------------------------------------------------later

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Posted 2015-07-02 5:24 PM (#483452 - in reply to #483367)
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Unfortunately, it is tough to get good sheet metal. Give BigM a call and see if he has anything. Otherwise, you will probably need to find a good, but cheap 4dr parts car to make it up. We don't have the luxury of cheap and well made panel replacement for our cars like the muscle car people do.

Sid was right in that if you keep the strongly contoured parts (near the edges) intact on the car and bend up some sheet metal to fit the large, flatter portion of the rusted area, that you can get the majority of the rust taken care of before you lose the main structure of what you are trying to fix. Then go in and weld in small patches to fix the contoured areas if necessary. But if the rust is real bad, you might need another car to use as a pattern to make sure you get the bends right, because they need to be near perfect before you weld them in place.
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Posted 2015-07-02 6:06 PM (#483456 - in reply to #483367)
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I dont have a 61 anything to compare, but, going by the pictures, the wheel arch is the same as the 60 dodge and plymouth, but once you go an inch or so away from it, its all different

The wheel arch return (at the bottom rear) where it curls under is almost impossible to make (I tried)

You should be able to use a patch panel to repair most of the area thats been cut out, but as said above its better to basically work from the middle out, but as you have no "out", you can cut a framework peice from a patch panel and put that in, then fill in the middle

This is serious repair work and panel distortion from welding will happen, be sure your Dad is confident about being able to handle it

I forgot to say, see if you can get a sat of fender skirts, they are great to use to help keep the wheel arch the correct shape and size

I didnt have any when I did my dodge and one of them is a little longer than it should be




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Posted 2015-07-02 6:20 PM (#483458 - in reply to #483367)
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The lead question, yes you can lead it and technically, you have put metal back in, but lead is nothing more than old school bondo and has no strength to it and will crack and fall out just like bondo does

Actually, with all the types of "bondo" that you can get now (including steel reinforced fiberglass)m your better off using that if your not going to weld stuff in

If you were to run a magnet over a repair that was done with either method, it would have the same result.

Depending on the amount of pin holes there are is where the replace or save call comes into it, if there are only a few scattered here and there, the welder will take care of them (a chunk of copper behind the panel helps to soak up the heat), if you could use it to strain your spaghetti, its best to replace it, and unless your a sheet metal God, you will need a filler (bondo or lead)

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1961plymouthfury
Posted 2015-07-02 8:33 PM (#483466 - in reply to #483367)
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I know the car was repainted once but it was not a very good job. I also noticed the wheel arch is the same . I will probably end up using the bottom part of a rear fender panel to a 1960 plymouth or a 1961 dodge I will keep researching. Thanks for trying to help. If it comes to this I will save my funds and take it to a local body shop and have them repair the rusted metal. I will supply the epoxy primer and paint for the car

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1961plymouthfury
Posted 2015-07-02 11:31 PM (#483479 - in reply to #483452)
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there is a white 1961 fury 2drht on my watch list on ebay its a parts car but they want $3500 obo if he was closer it would help out alot. Its really sad there are not very many of these FL cars left. I know about 1 on a salvage yard in Huntsville and I know the car very well too. There is also CTC auto ranch in TX . I will keep trying to locate a good parts car strip off what I can and salvage the rest of it
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Posted 2015-07-03 12:21 AM (#483482 - in reply to #483367)
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get a copy of this guide and start calling ever parts supplier/yard listed , i have . it's better than wishing for parts------------------------------------------------later

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Find-Chrysler-Parts-with-book-1954-1955-195...
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1961plymouthfury
Posted 2015-07-03 2:19 AM (#483491 - in reply to #483367)
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The book is on my watch list on ebay . Every part I see for my car I put it on my watch list . Its either a buy now or I wait until the last minuite so I can get it at a good price if I lost the bid and I see another 1 I try again

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Posted 2015-07-03 8:38 AM (#483504 - in reply to #483367)
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Did you get those fury emblems?

Vary rarely have I seen them come up, but I admit, I dont hunt for them

60 fury emblems are the same

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Posted 2015-07-03 11:05 AM (#483520 - in reply to #483367)
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I noticed that too from looking at the fender designs on both cars. The only thing that is being reproduced for my the '61 is the floor, trunk and rocker panels .Why not rear quarter panels it would be nice . My other '61 came with 2 nos quarter panels and a left front fender.
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Posted 2015-07-03 5:10 PM (#483542 - in reply to #483504)
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I got out bidded. They sold for $166.00 on ebay. If I cannot locate anymore I will try to use the 1 I have

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Posted 2015-07-03 6:38 PM (#483552 - in reply to #483367)
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I think the ones for my 60 cost a lot more than that

Its hard to do, but sometimes (especially for the jewelry) you have to sniper with stupid money bids if you really want it and hope that someone else is not desperate for it and also put a stupid money bid up

It does happen sometimes

If I needed those, I would have probably put a 3 or 4 hundred sniper on them

I hope that another set turn up, you could try frank mitchells (fmmr I think) on ebay, he has a lot of NOS stuff, but he is generally far from cheap

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Posted 2015-07-03 6:52 PM (#483554 - in reply to #483367)
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You ever should have crushed your old car.....yes, it was a burnt wreck, but I bet the portion of those NOS quarters that you now need for this car, would have been salvageable to patch these....live and learn....
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1961plymouthfury
Posted 2015-07-04 3:29 AM (#483584 - in reply to #483367)
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I did not crush the car. When my sister's bed fell it crushed the roof down on the car. I was also told with a fire like that the metal is no good any more. My sister even joked about her bed crushing my car . I sure as hell did not find that very funny. I was advised not to trust the metal . I noticed the fender design of a 1960 plymouth is identical with the '61 there is a site that sells rear fender panels to a 1960. If it comes to that I will use them but my dad saved the body panels to his '55 plymouth before he junked it . A friend and a fellow PACE car club member told him if you need any help with bending and shaping the metal is to let him know.
I will admit it still hurts about the other '61. That car was very special to me .
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Posted 2015-07-04 3:29 AM (#483585 - in reply to #483367)
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I did not crush the car. When my sister's bed fell it crushed the roof down on the car. I was also told with a fire like that the metal is no good any more. My sister even joked about her bed crushing my car . I sure as hell did not find that very funny. I was advised not to trust the metal . I noticed the fender design of a 1960 plymouth is identical with the '61 there is a site that sells rear fender panels to a 1960. If it comes to that I will use them but my dad saved the body panels to his '55 plymouth before he junked it . A friend and a fellow PACE car club member told him if you need any help with bending and shaping the metal is to let him know.
I will admit it still hurts about the other '61. That car was very special to me .
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Posted 2015-07-04 4:25 AM (#483589 - in reply to #483367)
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Thats what I was trying to tell you Steph, you can use 60 plymouth repo panels to recreate the wheel arch and the lower section of the rear quarters, you just have to not go to far up because of the body sculpturing near the tail lights

If you get a set of fender skirts (just the pained ones will do, the stainless ones are rare and pricey), you can use them as a guide to make sure the opening stays the correct size

Have a look at these pictures, might help



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1961plymouthfury
Posted 2015-07-04 8:52 PM (#483649 - in reply to #483367)
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Thank you for your help the 1960 fury was 1 of the x cars that was on my list of forwardlook cars. Do you know who sells these rear fender panels and how much do they cost?

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Posted 2015-07-04 9:16 PM (#483651 - in reply to #483585)
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1961plymouthfury - 2015-07-04 12:29 AM

I did not crush the car. When my sister's bed fell it crushed the roof down on the car. I was also told with a fire like that the metal is no good any more...


The sheet metal would be fine as long as it hasn't warped or gotten all bent up. Just be sure to clean it up really well on both sides and prime it so it won't rust. If you still have it and it is good enough to use, you should go for it.
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Posted 2015-07-04 9:27 PM (#483653 - in reply to #483367)
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Look up a company called "black car" on google (they sell on ebay as well), they have repo panels for lots of stuff

The panels run into the low hundreds and arnt bad (not brilliant either, but better than nothing)

Your best off with panels from a wreck, but 99% of those will be no good because, if the car was rust free, it would be a resto candidate and would be saved.

If the piece thats been cut out from yours is still around, try and keep it for referencing against the replacements

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Posted 2015-07-05 12:12 AM (#483662 - in reply to #483367)
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black car has 60 but not 61--------------------------------------------------later
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Posted 2015-07-05 1:28 AM (#483664 - in reply to #483367)
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I know I was imformed the bottom rear quarter panels to a 1960 plymouth would work on a 1961 the fender designs are identical
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Posted 2015-07-05 6:33 PM (#483699 - in reply to #483367)
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No Steph

You should be able to get the wheel arch shape and the lower edge of the quarter as thats the same

Look again at the pictures of the 60 and you will see that it is different once you get a couple of inches away from the edges

It is still going to require making filler sections to fill where the 60 and 61 panels differ

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Posted 2015-07-05 7:31 PM (#483703 - in reply to #483699)
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ttotired - 2015-07-05 6:33 PM

No Steph

You should be able to get the wheel arch shape and the lower edge of the quarter as thats the same




not even the wheel arch. the fact that 60/61 fender skirts interchange does not mean that the wheel arches are the same.
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Posted 2015-07-06 2:27 AM (#483719 - in reply to #483367)
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That is what I am talking about the lower edge of the quarter panel. I am not sure if I will get fender skirts for the car. I have the pair from the other '61 but they were in the fire. I am not sure if I should save them or scrap them. I was also imformed some parts are exchangeable between the 1960 and 1961 plymouth. I need to find 1 of those parts exchange books
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Posted 2015-07-06 2:31 AM (#483720 - in reply to #483651)
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The metal got bent and warped. I seen it and I will admit it still hurts. It sure as hell would be nice if more body panels were made for these cars. I can think alot of parts the should be reproduced for the 1961 plymouth and it will be quite a list too
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Posted 2015-07-06 6:26 AM (#483726 - in reply to #483367)
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Sid Most probably is right Steph

I have not seen a 61 next to a 60 (havnt seen a 61 actually), but thought it would be close at the edges

An interchange book will not tell you if these repair sections will work because as a whole, they wont

Sid is saying that even in a small part they wont either

Take his advice on that



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Posted 2015-07-06 10:06 PM (#483784 - in reply to #483367)
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I would like to know what parts are exchangeable between the 1960 and 1961 plymouth..
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Posted 2015-07-07 4:21 AM (#483821 - in reply to #483367)
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Mostly the "invisible" parts will be common, mechanical stuff, pretty much all of it, but you have to remember that each year model was a car unto itself

For example, you would find that a standard front bench seat for your 61 would be identical to the one in a 60, but the actual trimming will be different

The front bumper cross bar is the same, but the front bumpers are different, the speedo pods will swap from one to the other, but are different

I dont have an actual interchange book, but you will find there are a lot of things that will fit from one to the other, but there are also a lot of things that are model and year specific

Concentrate you searching for parts to 61, but if your not sure, someone here will know, you just have to ask

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Posted 2015-07-07 1:26 PM (#483850 - in reply to #483784)
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1961plymouthfury - 2015-07-06 10:06 PM I would like to know what parts are exchangeable between the 1960 and 1961 plymouth..

You could buy a 60 and 61 parts book and compare. That's what's helped me with my cars.

Ron

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Posted 2015-07-07 1:44 PM (#483852 - in reply to #483726)
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ttotired - 2015-07-06 6:26 AM

Sid Most probably is right Steph







he is, as he owns a 60 and a 61. the 60 has wheel lip that is more square, the 61 a (imo nicer looking) rounded lip.
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Posted 2015-07-08 11:34 AM (#483938 - in reply to #483367)
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call surpluse supply in ohio he will probible have this repairpanels in stock
or you can allso try with andy bernbaum they have lots of repairpanels from old inventory
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Posted 2015-07-09 12:46 AM (#484012 - in reply to #483367)
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Thank You I am also going to see if they have a web site also. I called and left a message and I asked for a catalog

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