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swed57
Posted 2015-12-25 1:52 PM (#499045)
Subject: Dodge 56 with torqueflite ?


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Hello
I'm restoring a Dodge 56 CRL Conv and are a little confused.
The car has a torqueflite and everything seems originals.
Is there anyone who has seen a Dodge 56 with torqueflite original.
Think I saw a post where "tailfin" said he had had a 56 conv with torqeflite.
Whats strange is the house for the pushbuttons, its different from the others car i have. And it's not home made
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Rodger
Posted 2015-12-25 2:20 PM (#499049 - in reply to #499045)
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According to all/ most MoPar Transmission Informational Data - The Dodge Division started using The 3 Speed Automatics in their 1957 Production Year.



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swed57
Posted 2015-12-25 2:31 PM (#499052 - in reply to #499049)
Subject: Re: Dodge 56 with torqueflite ?


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Rodger - 2015-12-25 8:20 PM

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According to all/ most MoPar Transmission Informational Data - The Dodge Division started using The 3 Speed Automatics in their 1957 Production Year.



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yes i know, thats why this is strange. As i said nothing seems home made.
Torqueflite is app 4 inc longer and the support is in the right place.
the driveshaft is right lenght and not home made.
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Posted 2015-12-25 3:50 PM (#499061 - in reply to #499045)
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I think I read somewhere in 56 dodge trucks use a torqueflite.
And the button Assembly is a bolt in replacement with minor to no modifications.
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Posted 2015-12-25 5:36 PM (#499078 - in reply to #499061)
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It was a really late in the year option for '56, and very rare. The only ones that I have seen with that option were in Imperials & Chryslers.
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mstrug
Posted 2015-12-25 10:10 PM (#499104 - in reply to #499045)
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Yes, it was even mentioned in a Hemmings motor mag., (imports) that the torque flight in the Aston Martin dated back to 1956! Marc.
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Chrycoman
Posted 2015-12-27 4:48 AM (#499202 - in reply to #499045)
Subject: Re: Dodge 56 with torqueflite ?



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I have a copy of Chrysler of Canada's 1956 passenger car parts catalogue printed in Febrruary, 1957, so it should have all the 1956 parts including all parts introduced during the year and all superdeded items.

There are three push button housings listed for Plymouth and Dodge -
Plymouth and Plymouth-based Dodge, die-cast, LHD - 1694 263
Plymouth and Plymouth-based Dodge, stamped steel, LHD, US only - 1697 205
Dodge, LHD - 1694 290

There are four face plates for Plymouth and Dodge -
Plymouth and Plymouth-based Dodge, LHD, with Powerflite - 1694 371
Plymouth and Plymouth-based Dodge, LHD, with Torqueflite - 1705 222
Dodge, LHD, with Powerflite - 1694 374
Dodge, LHD, with Torqueflite - 1705 370

Gear selector bezel for DeSoto, Chrysler and Imperial -
DeSoto, LHD, Powerflite - 1685 106
DeSoto, LHD, Torqueflite - 1685 198
Chrysler, Imperial, LHD, Powerflite - 1685 104
Chrysler, Imperial, LHD, Torqueflite - 1685 735

The surprising part is that DeSoto, Chrysler and Imperial were assigned part numbers for the Torqueflite installation shortly after the Powerflite installation. Plymouth was assigned numbers much later.

Chrysler Corporation assigned part numbers in the order the parts were approved for production. You cannot determine the year by the part number, neither can you determine the type of part the number assigned to. 1705 370 was assigned to a transmission button housing, while 1705 372 through 1705 375 were assigned to hinge assemblies introduced mid-year on the rear doors of 1956 4 door hardtops. 1705 362 and 1705 363 were assigned to rear deck floor pan extensions on the 1957 station wagon models.

The Canadian 1956 car parts catalogue does not list part numbers for the Torqueflite transmission, only that the part should be ordered by part description quoting the transmission part number (1823 593) and the change letter located on the right hand side of the transmission. The Torqueflite part number, 1823 593, is listed only for the Imperial with no numbers showing for the rest of the coporate line.

Checking the U.S. car parts catalogue for 1955-1958, there is no mention of the parts for a Torqueflite installation on a 1956 Plymouth, Dodge , DeSoto or Chrysker, only for Imperial. Similarly, the Torqueflite part number 1823 593 is listed only for the Imperial in 1956, although it was also used after 1956 on all Chrysler Corp. cars. The bezel for the Torqueflite transmission buttons is listed only for the Imperial in the U.S. book, 1685 735, again with no mention of parts for Plymouth, Dodge, DeSoto or Chrysler.

So, it looks like Chrysler had designed and tooled the necessary parts to have Torqueflite installed on all 1956 models, Chrysler of Canada updated its books accordingly, but only the Imperial offered Torqueflite in 1956.

Your best bet is get a copy of the build record from Chrysler Historical for your car. That should confirm what was installed in your car.

As for Aston Martin, AM first offered an automatic in 1962 and they purchased it from Borg-Warner. They used model 8, which was built by the Detroit Gear Division of B-W initially for Studebaker Corporation from 1950 through 1955. Studebaker had it set up with their Hill Holder to prevent the car from rolling when stopped on an incline and also had a locking torque converter. Low gear was first gear while Drive was second and third. Don't know if the version AM purchased used a locking torque converter or not.

Bristol used Torqueflite when they replaced their inline six with a poly 313 V8 from Chrysler of Canada on model 407 of 1962.

But I cannot find any other British manufacturer who used Torqueflite prior to 1962.



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MOPAR-TO-YA
Posted 2015-12-28 2:33 AM (#499284 - in reply to #499045)
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Several years ago, I decided I wanted to put a torqueflite with the push-button shift quadrant.in my 56 Chrysler I watched E-bay for quite some time and some came up for sale. The same guy always out-bid me , even when I bid a large number. I contacted him, and he said he was buying up all he could find, and was for 56 Dodge He said they were a very rare option on certain model late 1956. I know late 56 Imperials and Chrysler New Yorkers offered this option.
I finally found a very nice 56 Imperial Torqueflite chrome bezel, face plate, and push button shift quadrant with the back up light switch. . I also found a 61 Imperial torqueflite transmission with the shift cable and converter. I had to buy the whole car to get it. I also found a NOS 1 or 2 button and do not have the other. I think I could make the other one out of a powerflite button. I believe the R, D, and N button s are the same on both.

Since I have sold the car, I would sell this conversion. If Interested , PM me..........................MO
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swed57
Posted 2015-12-29 8:15 AM (#499375 - in reply to #499045)
Subject: RE: Dodge 56 with torqueflite ?


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Thank you for all the answers and effort
I will order a copy of the build record from Chrysler Historical for my car.
It has a lot of equipment, power brakes, power steering, power windows, power seat, radio with dual antennas, clock and the famous torqueflite
Engine is a 315 poly but I have the 315 Hemi with adjustable rockers will end up in the car.

@MOPAR-TO-YA yes the R,N and D buttons are the same. All buttons in the torqueflite house are lighter green than powerflite buttons, maybe they faded by age ? but I do not believe that.

//Per
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mstrug
Posted 2015-12-29 10:00 AM (#499378 - in reply to #499104)
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mstrug - 2015-12-25 9:10 PM

Yes, it was even mentioned in a Hemmings motor mag., (imports) that the torque flight in the Aston Martin dated back to 1956! Marc.


That article spoke about the gear ratios that dated back to 1956 and they decided to leave well enough alone for the mid-ownership car. Ford bought them out shortly after. Marc.
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57burb
Posted 2015-12-29 5:55 PM (#499411 - in reply to #499045)
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I understand that some late '56 Imperials and 300s got the Torqueflite, so it seems natural that a New Yorker (same drivetrain) could get it as well.

But I've never heard of a '56 Dodge, Plymouth, or lower-level Chrysler getting a TF. That certainly doesn't mean it never happened! Obviously the parts were available, and from your description it sounds like the Torqueflite and all the supporting parts have always been in place. Being a top of the line '56 CRL convertible, maybe this car was intended for a Dodge executive or something similar. I'd be interested to see how Chrysler Historical decodes it.
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Posted 2015-12-29 8:16 PM (#499426 - in reply to #499411)
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I seriously doubt that the parts to put a torqueflite in a '56 Plymouth were ever made. Namely, the push-button faceplate, as it is completely different from all the others.
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MikeDIsIn
Posted 2015-12-30 2:31 PM (#499488 - in reply to #499045)
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I have a 56 crl and is original, if you like I can send pics or whatever you might need, Mine is a 4 button box with park, reverse, neutral and drive. My name is Mike and if you need you can call or txt, 765-749-9512
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Posted 2015-12-31 12:08 AM (#499531 - in reply to #499045)
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56 desoto was supposed to have an up grade torquefilte ready . that info was given to me by our own hank dozier/moderator . ten years or so ago he needed the button box and face plate
for his 56 desoto wagon . just happens a 57 fargo setup is the same including the face plate . we found him the button box but not the plate at that time so he had one made . not long after
that i found him a plate but since he had one machined he didn't need it . from what i remember the reason the torqueflite was available for the 56 desoto was that on down shift the power flite
would violent enough to brake crank shafts -----------------------------------------------later
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swed57
Posted 2016-02-11 3:45 AM (#503858 - in reply to #499045)
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I've finaly got the IBM card for my car after sendig cash in a envelope around the world, lite unsecure way but it worked this time.



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Chrycoman
Posted 2016-02-11 8:31 AM (#503867 - in reply to #499045)
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My 1956 parts book was published as the Torqueflite was being put into production (February, 1956) while my copy of the 1957 parts book is an early edition (December, 1956).

The numbers you have - 1636 300 is a casting number and it is not listed in either book, while 1671 747 listed as the service number for the 1956 Torqueflite transmission as available on 1956 Chrysler C70* (Crown Imperial) and C73 (Custom Imperial). The 1957 book shows 1671 747 available on 1957 models S25 (Firedome), S26 (Fireflite), C75 (Windsor and Saratoga). The 1956 parts book also lists 1671 747 as model code 1823 593, a number that is not listed in 1957.

The "D" refers to a change point when some parts in the transmission have been changed. What is to the right of the "D1"? I can see there are numbers there. You might find something like "E-21-56".

According to the 1957 parts book the "1" after the "D" means "the rear oil pump housing has had a 1/32" hole drilled into it to eliminate down shift buzz".

So, the car does have a Torqueflite transmission.

Wish I had a later editionl of the 1956 parts book.
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Posted 2016-02-11 12:23 PM (#503886 - in reply to #499045)
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My '56 Dodge Custom Royal Lancer also carries transmission code "3" and that should be for a Powerflite transmission. I have a 5 button pod out of a '60's pushbutton truck at home that I am going to compare to the one you have posted, they are almost identical.
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Posted 2016-07-21 12:28 PM (#517246 - in reply to #503858)
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I also have 56 CRL vert and our biuld sheets differ a bit, my Radio is 8 yours 9, my trans is 3-powerflite,and our engine prefix same but mine isnt listed on sheet, just numbers. power options differ as well on sheet, yours list as number value and mine does'nt. I find this odd, I also have page showing 1378 verts made of Custom Royal in 56. If I can help I am on facebook forwardlook group with plenty of pictures.
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Posted 2016-10-13 3:08 PM (#523376 - in reply to #499045)
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would you have an extra one of these for my 57 dodge truck?
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Posted 2016-10-14 12:33 AM (#523398 - in reply to #499049)
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I know that is what is said, but that is not right. There were a few in late 1956. See my post in general discussion on this very subject........................MO
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Posted 2016-10-14 12:44 AM (#523399 - in reply to #523398)
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I have the whole 1956 torqueflite set up for sale . See my post in current general discussion...........................MO
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Posted 2018-12-29 4:20 PM (#575987 - in reply to #523399)
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Late to the party but I have been doing some relevant investigations regarding installing a 1823 593 style (cast-iron) TorqueFlite (TF) in my 56 Dodge.

As suggested earlier and elsewhere, whatever the original intent of applying the 1823 593 TF, in 1956 only the late Chryslers (including the 300s for sure) and the Imperials actually got the TF transmission, at least officially. Not withstanding Per's TF in his 56 Dodge. By 1957 and certainly 1958 the 1823 593 TF was being applied across the board.

Going through the various parts books (pdf and hardcopy), I have determined that the 56 Imperial/Chrysler (300?) TF shifter box was a 1673 906. When I checked the 56 Chryco (Chrysler Canada) parts catalogue (WM4368) that I have, it shows that the 1673 906 was intended as the shifter box across the board, Plymouths through to Imperials. I was lucky enough to buy a NOS 1673 906 before Christmas. Good to know that it should fit my 56 Dodge. Obviously something changed their minds and neither the Plymouths or Dodges (or Desotos) got the the TF in 1956, well with some exceptions (like Per's ??)

As for the 1705 370 shifter plate that Bill W. (Chrycoman) mentions, I happened to snag one on eBay before Christmas, with 5 buttons of decent (but not perfect shape). When I checked in the 56 Chryco (Chrysler Canada) parts catalogue this morning, I see that unlike the shifter box, the 1705 370 plate was only intended for the 56 Dodge D62 (Royals) and D63 (Custom Royals) (but not the Coronets).

Here is some of the info that I have found:



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Stroller
Posted 2019-01-12 11:11 AM (#576645 - in reply to #499045)
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My 1956 Chrysler Imperial Southampton Crown Royal and the vin is a C70 has the torqeflite w/ 3spd push button. The sales borchure for the '56 Southampton only showes a picture of the 2 spd push button. It is my understanding the 3 spds were put in the Crown's late '56 for start of production in '57. The 2spd is a PowerFlite unit. Optional equipment does not list the 3spd. It only shows, at extra cost, Air Temp A/C, Solex glass (mine has), Custom Condition Air heater, Electro Touch tuner radio (mine has foot control) or Music Master radio, both with rear seat speakers, Transistor Radio, Highway Hi-Fi Phonograph, Instant-Heat airplane-heater (mine has). I am not too sure anyone say exactly when the 3 spd's became line wide standard. My bet is sometime in the 60's.
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56D500boy
Posted 2019-01-12 11:44 AM (#576649 - in reply to #576645)
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Based on what I have researched/learned on the way to installing a cast iron torqueflite (TF) into my 56 Dodge to mimic what Per E. (the OP in this thread, swed7) has, I understand that the 3 spd automatic, i.e. the torqueflite, was installed in the late run 56 model year Imperials and maybe some 56 Chryslers. By 1957, the torqueflite was available pretty much across the line, presumably as an option for the Plymouths, Dodges, Desotos and Chryslers. I *think* that the Imperials got the torqueflite as standard equipment. See below. It looks like optional for 57 Plymouths and some 57 Dodges, standard equipment for at least 57 Canadian Desotos and Chryslers and all 57 Imperials.

According to the 59 Dodge brochure both the TF and the Powerflite were still being offered, depending on the model, either standard equipment or optional. See below


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Posted 2019-01-12 12:27 PM (#576655 - in reply to #499045)
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I still love reading the old dealer info. Just think if new cars showed horsepower and torque. The engine in my motorcycle is bigger than the engine in my car. 320 hp in car wieghing what 5-6 thousand pounds? Now cars with 300 hp 1/2 the wieght, and run like 10 times longer. Something I noticed seat belts optional excpet crowns and lebarons optional no extra cost. Seat belts were not offered I don't think in '56 were they? Doesn't really matter after all still most people don't wear them.
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Posted 2019-01-12 1:01 PM (#576657 - in reply to #576655)
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Stroller - 2019-01-12 12:27 PM

I still love reading the old dealer info. Just think if new cars showed horsepower and torque. The engine in my motorcycle is bigger than the engine in my car. 320 hp in car wieghing what 5-6 thousand pounds? Now cars with 300 hp 1/2 the wieght, and run like 10 times longer. Something I noticed seat belts optional excpet crowns and lebarons optional no extra cost. Seat belts were not offered I don't think in '56 were they? Doesn't really matter after all still most people don't wear them.


Yes they (lap belts) were optional at least in a 56 Dodge (see below). Personally, I have always worn seat belts from the first time I had a car with one (when I moved from a 1955 Dodge (no belts) to a 1968 Fury I Plymouth (with belts)). With my 56 Dodge, I added both front and rear shoulder belts for the outboard passengers.

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REFERENCE: http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=67017&...



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