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57DODGECONV
Posted 2015-12-31 12:16 AM (#499533)
Subject: 1958 Plymouth front lower valance color .


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Did the 1958 Plymouths come with the front lower valances painted body color and silver both?I have two red 58 Belvedere convertibles ,both original paint cars ,one car has silver lower valance the other is red lower valance .Both are Evansville built cars I was just wondering .
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mikes2nd
Posted 2015-12-31 6:39 AM (#499543 - in reply to #499533)
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I think the cheap cars came painted silver
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soiouz
Posted 2015-12-31 7:41 AM (#499546 - in reply to #499533)
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The difference comes from early production vs. late production.

If I remember correctly, silver is later production and body colour is early production. The change had something to do with effectiveness in the production chain. Only Fury got body colour valence the whole production run.
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57DODGECONV
Posted 2015-12-31 10:32 AM (#499554 - in reply to #499533)
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Thanks I will check the vins on both cars ,they are both identical cars other than one has silver side inserts ,and one the side sweep is painted black ,both are red cars . Thanks for your help .
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Rebels-59
Posted 2015-12-31 10:53 AM (#499557 - in reply to #499533)
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Please post some PICs of them Both,,

And as David already said "Early production vs. late production"
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ronbo97
Posted 2015-12-31 11:21 AM (#499560 - in reply to #499557)
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Rebels-59 Coronet - 2015-12-31 10:53 AM Please post some PICs of them Both,, And as David already said "Early production vs. late production"

Was this (early=body color; late=silver) true for both '57 and '58 Plymouths ?

Ron

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Viper Guy
Posted 2015-12-31 11:46 AM (#499565 - in reply to #499533)
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If I recall correctly, all '57 lower front valences were silver except possibly the Fury.

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big m
Posted 2015-12-31 12:14 PM (#499569 - in reply to #499565)
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Viper Guy - 2015-12-31 8:46 AM

If I recall correctly, all '57 lower front valences were silver except possibly the Fury.

"It's delightful, it's delovely, it's DeSoto"


That is correct.
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mstrug
Posted 2015-12-31 1:02 PM (#499582 - in reply to #499569)
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There is a chart on the web some where that shows: all one body color early on, center silver, then both side pans silver too. marc.

Edited by mstrug 2015-12-31 6:53 PM
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2015-12-31 3:25 PM (#499593 - in reply to #499582)
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My Belvedere was all argent below the bumper and behind the front bumper, the center section was argent and each side was body color (canyon gold). To my knowledge, it was original paint and the car had never been repainted.
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Paul Hettick
Posted 2015-12-31 5:16 PM (#499601 - in reply to #499533)
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The body color front valances are very very early production.
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2016-01-01 12:51 AM (#499623 - in reply to #499601)
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Since we are on the subject, can anyone post pix of the proper Argent paint
application ? I will have to tackle this in the future. Need to log such details
in the mental files. Thanks.
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soiouz
Posted 2016-01-01 5:26 PM (#499674 - in reply to #499582)
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mstrug - 2015-12-31 1:02 PM

There is a chart on the web some where that shows: all one body color early on, center silver, then both side pans silver too. marc.




This is a picture I made of the said chart, from the Collectible Automobile issue on the 57-59 Plymouths:







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christine-lover
Posted 2016-01-01 5:37 PM (#499676 - in reply to #499674)
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Odd, the middle pic shows that the center valance would have been two toned, wonder how long they did that?
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2016-01-01 6:34 PM (#499681 - in reply to #499676)
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Hi, Matt:

I thought there were four separate pieces that made up the "splash guard" behind the front bumper. None of the individual pieces (in any color configuration) would have been painted more than one color.

Doc, I don't know the exact paint mix, but High Heat Silver from Rustoleum is pretty darn close.

Edited by Lancer Mike 2016-01-01 6:38 PM
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christine-lover
Posted 2016-01-01 7:08 PM (#499690 - in reply to #499681)
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Mike, the center valance is one piece though, in this case you would have a two tone paint separation behind the bumper, they probably changed this quickly to painting it single tone argent because of the time required. There's 5 pieces up front counting the two on each side.
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58coupe
Posted 2016-01-02 10:16 AM (#499741 - in reply to #499533)
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I plan on painting my 58 panels all body color, it just looks odd to me to be argent.
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57DODGECONV
Posted 2016-01-02 11:17 AM (#499745 - in reply to #499533)
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Yes I was Thinking the same thing ,The body color valance just looks like it belongs better on the car ,I am not sure why they changed over to the argent colored valance .
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mstrug
Posted 2016-01-02 11:30 AM (#499748 - in reply to #499674)
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soiouz - 2016-01-01 4:26 PM

mstrug - 2015-12-31 1:02 PM

There is a chart on the web some where that shows: all one body color early on, center silver, then both side pans silver too. marc.




This is a picture I made of the said chart, from the Collectible Automobile issue on the 57-59 Plymouths:





That's it David: The argent made it easier to paint and assemble the car faster. In the end only the Fury has full body color front panels. Marc.
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soiouz
Posted 2016-01-02 12:23 PM (#499759 - in reply to #499745)
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57DODGECONV - 2016-01-02 11:17 AM

Yes I was Thinking the same thing ,The body color valance just looks like it belongs better on the car ,I am not sure why they changed over to the argent colored valance .



How about some pics of your Belvederes? Your cars look like they could be perfect for a "What do you prefer" sort of challenge: body colour or argent?


I like argent because it is just never seen on restored cars. But I agree that body colour was most probably the designer's first choice.

Same changes appeared on Canadian built cars, well, configurations A and C at least. I've never seen a Canadian car with configuration B, which does not mean they were not produced.

Here's a period advertising photo with a Belvedere in configuration C:





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christine-lover
Posted 2016-01-02 2:14 PM (#499769 - in reply to #499759)
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soiouz - 2016-01-02 12:23 PM

57DODGECONV - 2016-01-02 11:17 AM

Yes I was Thinking the same thing ,The body color valance just looks like it belongs better on the car ,I am not sure why they changed over to the argent colored valance .



How about some pics of your Belvederes? Your cars look like they could be perfect for a "What do you prefer" sort of challenge: body colour or argent?


I like argent because it is just never seen on restored cars. But I agree that body colour was most probably the designer's first choice.

Same changes appeared on Canadian built cars, well, configurations A and C at least. I've never seen a Canadian car with configuration B, which does not mean they were not produced.

Here's a period advertising photo with a Belvedere in configuration C:



David, you are right, argent is rarely applied to restored cars, they always seem to be body color. My convertible was later built so it has argent painted valance.
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christine-lover
Posted 2016-01-02 2:16 PM (#499770 - in reply to #499533)
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On the subject, Mopar made the valance molding strips in both stainless steel and aluminum.
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57DODGECONV
Posted 2016-01-02 5:56 PM (#499787 - in reply to #499533)
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Matt,I know the Fury had aluminum moldings finished in gold ,but all the Belvedere ones I have seen have been stainless steel.
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ChrisFBartlett
Posted 2019-09-27 2:33 PM (#588054 - in reply to #499533)
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My original paint Belvedere has"option C" and I'll get it reshaped and painted to match "A"

 

 

 

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