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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | Does the 1963 Custom 880 still have the drive shaft park brake? I've been asked the question through the WPC Club email. He also wants to know if the 727 Torqueflite can be mated to his 1965 426 Street Wedge engine. |
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Location: Alaska | I believe when Chrysler changed to the aluminum 727 in late 61 for the 62 models, no Dodge cars used the drum after 61. I believe The parking drum was still used on trucks and industrial equipment for a while longer. Since the aluminum 727 does not have a separate bell housing, for the trans. to fit the 426, it has to be from a big block engine: 361,383.426,440 etc. |
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | 58coupe - 2016-02-09 4:01 PM
I believe when Chrysler changed to the aluminum 727 in late 61 for the 62 models, no Dodge cars used the drum after 61. I believe The parking drum was still used on trucks and industrial equipment for a while longer. Since the aluminum 727 does not have a separate bell housing, for the trans. to fit the 426, it has to be from a big block engine: 361,383.426,440 etc.
My 62 Chrysler with an aluminum 727 used the in line brake drum, and it's the same car as a 62 Dodge 880, so I assumed the 63 would be the same. |
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Location: Ramona, CA | In 1963 the parking brakes are on the rear axle like later cars. 1962 is the only year with the aluminum torqueflite having the parking brake on the tailshaft. Some people use the '62 transmission to put later engines into the early cars since it also has the 6 bolt torque converter and flex plate setup. |
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The 1962 Dodge 880, Chrysler and Imperial used the new A727 Torqueflite with no park position as they used Lockheed brakes as well as the driveshaft parking brake for the last time.
For 1963 those three models switched to Bendix brakes with the parking brake on the rear wheels. And the A727 now had a park lever along with the buttons.
For Plymouth, Dodge, Chrysler and Imperial cars -
a. Bendix brakes <--> no driveshaft brake <--> Torqueflite with a park position
b. Lockheed brakes <--> driveshaft brake <--> Torqueflite with no park position or Powerflite
1960-1961 Dodge and Plymouth were b. above, while the 1962 models went to a. The 1960-61 models with a slant six engine used the new A904 Torqueflite, but with no parking position.
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | thanks Bill |
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Location: So. Cal | Chrycoman - 2016-02-10 1:37 AM
...The 1960-61 models with a slant six engine used the new A904 Torqueflite, but with no parking position.
This part is not true - at least for A-bodies. The slant 6 trans has a park position on '60-'61 A-bodies and no E-brake on the trans. I'm not sure what the full-size slant 6 cars did. I would think that the trans still had the capability for the park function, but maybe it was blocked off? |
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Location: Vancouver, BC | Powerflite - 2016-02-10 4:11 PM
Chrycoman - 2016-02-10 1:37 AM
...The 1960-61 models with a slant six engine used the new A904 Torqueflite, but with no parking position.
This part is not true - at least for A-bodies. The slant 6 trans has a park position on '60-'61 A-bodies and no E-brake on the trans. I'm not sure what the full-size slant 6 cars did. I would think that the trans still had the capability for the park function, but maybe it was blocked off?
I was referring to the 1960-61 Dodge and Plymouth cars, the full-size models. For 1962 they went to Bendix brakes on their all-new B bodies.
As for the Valiant, and Lancer, they never had Lockheed brakes and thus -
a. Bendix brakes <--> no driveshaft brake <--> Torqueflite with a park position
All parts for the park sprag were not installed on the A904 for the full-size 1960-61 6 cylinder Dodges and Plymouths, or the A727 for the 1962 880, Chrysler and Imperial. These transmissions are easy to identify as they had one cable while the transmissions with a park sprag had two.
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Location: Ramona, CA | In this video of a '60 Fury convertible, it shows a Park lever under the shift buttons.
https://youtu.be/WJIHoaoQJaA
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Location: Ramona, CA | NicksGarage - 2016-02-10 4:04 PM
In this video of a '60 Fury convertible, it shows a Park lever under the shift buttons.
https://youtu.be/WJIHoaoQJaA
I looked at a bunch of other 1960 Plymouths and don't see a park lever. I bet they adapted one from a 1963 Dodge 880 as it is the only thing that has a similar dash setup.
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Not factory. In 1960 the cast-iron case Torqueflite was used on V8 models, and not the A904. The cast-iron unit never had a park sprag.
There have been a couple of people on this list who have converted to a more modern Torqueflite with the park sprag. There were a number of Mopar cars with horizontal buttons and a park lever, starting with the 1962 Dodge Dart/Polara, that can be used to update the instrument panel. With this 1960 Plymouth someone has cut the instrument cluster to create a slot for the lever.
The owner is also wrong about the wire wheels. Chrysler used Motor Wheel and not Kelsey-Hayes wires back then.
As always, never assume what is on a car today was on the car when it rolled off the assembly line in 19XX.
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PARK BRAKE QUESTION
