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Powerflite
Posted 2017-09-02 9:09 PM (#547600 - in reply to #547164)
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Go for it Mike! You really have nothing to lose. If you mess it up, you can still pay big bucks to get it re-molded.

I cut out a ring for my horn contact today. Then I brazed a layer of brass on the bottom side to help prevent corrosion and put a spot of brass on the top side too in order to solder the electrical wire to it. I ended up grinding through the brass in 2 spots, but it should be alright anyway because I will cover it with dielectric grease. After it was done, I layed it into the wheel and welded it to the center hub. I dowsed the plate after each weld to cool it and prevent the soldered wire from melting and coming loose. I don't normally recommend welding on a piece of rug, but I thought it was worth the risk to catch it on fire in order to save the paint. Hopefully there won't be any interference issues with the turn signal, but if so, I will just grind the welds down until all is good. But I don't think it will end up being that close. I would have put it on today, but I had my limit of heat exposure for the day so I will save it for later.



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Powerflite
Posted 2017-09-02 10:45 PM (#547608 - in reply to #520945)
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For future reference, this is the wiring on the back of the fuel & ammeter gauges, as well as the light switch wiring on my '58 Dodge.



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Powerflite
Posted 2017-09-03 10:02 AM (#547625 - in reply to #520945)
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I went to install the wheel and realized I really goofed. The way I have it setup, the horn is always connected to ground through the welds to the hub. So the original copper plate that is held by the hub must be electrically isolated somehow. I have no idea how I would do it here. Maybe I can cut the center hole extra large and epoxy it to the hub? Not sure how well that would hold it in place though. I am tempted to just put a button on the dash for the horn at this point.

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soiouz
Posted 2017-09-03 10:50 AM (#547627 - in reply to #520945)
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Why not just install the correct part instead? They are not so hard to find, I might even have one here in a parts drawer.
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Posted 2017-09-03 11:02 AM (#547630 - in reply to #520945)
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Yes, David is correct.

The horn contact rings are removable, there is no such thing as a 'power steering' steering wheel, as many proclaim, they are all the same with the exception of the removable horn contact ring.
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Powerflite
Posted 2017-09-03 1:16 PM (#547637 - in reply to #547627)
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On my original wheel it is definitely not removeable. But I can't figure out how it isn't shorting out on the hub either??

If you have one of these I could install, I would be very thankful.
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soiouz
Posted 2017-09-03 1:49 PM (#547643 - in reply to #547637)
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Powerflite - 2017-09-03 1:16 PM

On my original wheel it is definitely not removeable. But I can't figure out how it isn't shorting out on the hub either??
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If you have one of these I could install, I would be very thankful.


That brass ring is made to be removeable. It is cramped tight against the hub, but it comes out, that's for sure, unless your wheel was modified and not original.

The original brass ring has a smaller rubber ring inside the hole for the hub, so it does not short on the hub.


I will go in my garage right and try to find it.. I just hope I still have it. If I do find it, I will send it to you for the price of shipping only.
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Powerflite
Posted 2017-09-03 6:20 PM (#547672 - in reply to #547643)
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Thanks David!
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soiouz
Posted 2017-09-03 6:59 PM (#547678 - in reply to #547672)
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Powerflite - 2017-09-03 6:20 PM

Thanks David!



Searched all over my garage, and I cannot find it!... I might have given it to a guy last year who wanted to do a conversion to power steering in his 1958 Dodge. Sorry! But Big M or someone else on this board should have one, they are not that rare.
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1960fury
Posted 2017-09-03 7:50 PM (#547684 - in reply to #520945)
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that steering wheel looks perfect, great work! nice color combo too! love 58 dodges.
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Powerflite
Posted 2017-09-04 12:39 AM (#547704 - in reply to #547684)
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Thanks for looking David. I probably need to find one because I don't see how to make it work well doing a home-made approach.

Thanks Sid, I'll like it too once I can start to use it.
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Powerflite
Posted 2018-03-16 9:51 PM (#560041 - in reply to #520945)
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The 2bbl carb was giving me all sorts of trouble with the float sticking open or something like that, so that it was constantly dribbling fuel down the throat of the motor. That made it very difficult to start after driving it because it was always flooded. When I checked the oil last week, I noticed that it was overfull - by about 3 quarts with a strong gasoline smell to it. Not good. The motor has also always had multiple lifters that were making a lot of noise and never quieted down.

So I removed the intake & valve covers and replaced the lifters with new ones. All the lobes on the cam looked good so I felt confident that it would solve the problem. The gasoline in the oil had dried out the gunk in the motor so I vacuumed and cleaned it out of the heads & lifter valley the best I could. I drained the oil and then flushed the valley with new oil to hopefully flush out any extra debri that was still in the motor. I installed a new 30 degree style oil filter with an adapter from Hot Heads to hopefully catch the gunk a little better than the original style filter. After that, I primed the oil pump with the new oil so that I would have good oil on the crank bearings before I start turning the motor again. I then installed the 4bbl intake I purchased from BigM and a matching WCFB carburetor. I bought this new/old re-manufactured carb for my '56 Plymouth back in 2004 and never ended up using it. I also removed the downdraft tube and installed a 426 hemi style PCV setup on the right valve cover. I tied it into a Tee on the intake with the vacuum switch.

Unfortunately, it started raining on me just as I was finishing it up. But I managed to snap a photo right before I installed a fuel line & new pump in the rain. During startup, the carb initially started dribbling fuel down it's throat, but after a whack with a dead blow, it stopped. Hopefully it doesn't do that again. I'll keep an eye on it for a while to make sure. I don't want a repeat of this lovely experience. After that, it ran well and had good oil pressure throughout the run around the block, in the rain, with really old wipers, and...... no lifter noise! Yay, mission accomplished. I have an air cleaner for the 4bbl, but it needs a little body work done on it before it's ready for paint.



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Powerflite
Posted 2018-03-24 2:14 PM (#560414 - in reply to #520945)
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I purchased an NOS knight emblem from Ebay, but I can't decide if I like it on the grille or not. Without it, the Coronet looks more bare-bones and muscular, but it does look quite nice on there too. What do you think?



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LD3 Greg
Posted 2018-03-26 1:25 AM (#560492 - in reply to #560414)
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Powerflite - 2018-03-24 2:14 PM

I purchased an NOS knight emblem from Ebay, but I can't decide if I like it on the grille or not. Without it, the Coronet looks more bare-bones and muscular, but it does look quite nice on there too. What do you think?


Gotta have it! It adds charm to the muscle!

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Powerflite
Posted 2018-04-01 10:07 AM (#560881 - in reply to #520945)
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I think you are right Greg. I am liking it more and more. Yesterday, I finally fixed the dash lights on this car. First I attempted to install a good '56 Dodge light switch in place of the original '58 Dodge version. I used some lug adapters to convert to the existing terminal on the wires so I didn't have to change the wiring. The switch worked, but I couldn't get it installed into the dash because it collided with the structure on the backside of the dash.

So I decided to take the original switch apart and fix it. It wasn't very difficult to fix. It just required cleaning all the contacts and applying electrical grease to protect it afterward. The contact from the rheostat wire to the internal contact was the hardest part to do, but I managed to make it work by using a very small file all around where the wire enters into it. Re-crimping the housing is never as tight as when the factory did it, but it is close. I should have taken pictures of it apart for future reference, but I neglected to do it. Sorry.

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Powerflite
Posted 2018-04-08 12:38 AM (#561268 - in reply to #520945)
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Took the family to Oro Grande Days in the Coronet and entered it in the small car show there. The Stagecoach Olds creation was unexpected and neat to see. It was pretty fun for being a small place. We trolled the numerous antique shops there and was surprised to find an original propane tank for my Kit teardrop trailer! It was really cheap too, compared to getting it from someone who knew what it was originally from. I also picked up an old fuel can to replace the utter garbage versions that they sell today. Oro Grande is just North of Victorville and lies right on Route 66 so there are a couple of neat things to see around there, including an old metal truss bridge from the 30's, a couple of old motels & gas stations. We also went to the route 66 museum in Victorville too. Afterward we headed to just South of Lancaster to take a hike in the Devil's Punchbowl. That was really neat and I recommend anyone to check it out if you are in the area!

The only issue we had with the Coronet was that we hit a couple of regularly spaced bumps or dips in the fast lane at a high speed turn and the inside rear tire seemed to hit resonance and immediately bottomed out 3 times to the point that it was a little scary. My car sits pretty well in the rear, even with all my family in there, but nevertheless, the rear springs just aren't as stiff as they should be to handle very well. My '58 DeSoto with its new (stiffer) rear springs & front sway bar handles soooo much better than this car. Oh there was another issue. The starter switch on the neutral button just decided to stop working....of course. It's worked great the whole time I've had the car, but today it decided to stop. I kept a piece of wire handy in the car for emergencies so it wasn't a big deal except that I had to hot wire it every time I needed to start it again.



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Powerflite
Posted 2018-04-08 2:45 PM (#561278 - in reply to #520945)
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I like the design of the tee shirt that came with show registration.



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57burb
Posted 2018-04-09 9:44 AM (#561299 - in reply to #561278)
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Looks like a great trip with the family! Awesome pics, I'm sure you all made lasting memories in that ol' Dodge.
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2018-04-09 12:43 PM (#561308 - in reply to #561299)
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Cool beans, Nathan!  Looks like a great trip!

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Powerflite
Posted 2018-04-09 5:10 PM (#561325 - in reply to #520945)
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It really was fun. It's funny because I can enjoy it with or without new paint just as well. I like to enjoy them long before they are done....
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Posted 2018-04-09 6:09 PM (#561328 - in reply to #561325)
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Yep, that's the perfect time to drive 'em.  BTW, I like the lancer grille emblem.

I bet you got a lot of compliments on the road trip!

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Powerflite
Posted 2018-04-28 1:28 AM (#562404 - in reply to #561328)
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I did get some nice comments Mike, mostly from people who had never seen one before and were surprised by the sleek roofline and cool fins.

These gauges showed up yesterday from Bogota, Columbia. Nice set of gauges with near perfect chrome. This is going to make my dash look.....dashing!



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Powerflite
Posted 2018-05-04 2:41 PM (#562803 - in reply to #520945)
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I drove the car to work today, and while cruising at 75mph on the freeway, the car suddenly started making a huge racket. When I pulled over, I found that the rubber boot for the ball & trunion had ripped & loosened and was whacking itself on the floor. Of course, there is an ample amount of grease on the floor now too. So I just turned up the tunes and tried to ignore it, but it doesn't seem to want to come off on its own. I'll have to live with the noise until I can get it back home to deal with it. I didn't really want to convert it to a slip-yoke setup yet, but it looks like it has become a priority now.
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1960fury
Posted 2018-05-07 6:16 PM (#562940 - in reply to #562803)
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Powerflite - 2018-05-04 2:41 PM
I didn't really want to convert it to a slip-yoke setup yet, but it looks like it has become a priority now.


Why for heavens sake would anyone convert to a heavy and inferior external slip yoke? The OE B&T is superior in every way and one of the outstanding (properly serviced) indestructible FL features. Mine, that has a very hard life behind a 383 and a 2.93 axle, is still like new with over 330k on it.

If yours spewed grease after the boot failed, it wasn't properly serviced. There is no grease supposed to be behind the boot. Its a DUST-boot not a grease seal. Its not designed to carry grease only its own weight. Do not exceed the amount of grease given in the fsm, which is only 2 ounces. Keep it MoPar.

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Powerflite
Posted 2018-05-07 6:43 PM (#562941 - in reply to #520945)
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If it was a slip yoke with a standard U-joint, we wouldn't be having this conversation. B&T are a pain in the neck, and bound to failure eventually. not to mention unobtainable parts and difficulty to balance. No thanks. I wish Chrysler had used a slip yoke much earlier than '65.
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Posted 2018-05-07 7:18 PM (#562942 - in reply to #562941)
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Powerflite - 2018-05-07 6:43 PM

If it was a slip yoke with a standard U-joint, we wouldn't be having this conversation. B&T are a pain in the neck, and bound to failure eventually. not to mention unobtainable parts and difficulty to balance. No thanks. I wish Chrysler had used a slip yoke much earlier than '65.


Not at all and it works for me for 30 years without any problems, as i said, 330k miles just in one car, still like new. rebuid kits are readily available for much less than the cost of a slip-yoke conversion. try to rebuild a slip-yoke. not possible. welding required. ask the 50s GM guys about their external slip-yokes and how reliable they are, these are bound for failure and vibration.

I never had any problems with the B&T in my cars. The B&T is the superior design, for several reasons, as every mechanic/engineer knows, but over the years (I drive FL almost daily for decades) replaced several cross/rollers.

yes, if you carry grease in the boot it can cause vibration and will cause boot failure, but as i said, theres no grease supposed to be there. don't blame an excellent design because of poor service. the best parts break if you do not treat them properly. just service it as per fsm and it will last forever.

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Powerflite
Posted 2018-06-03 1:57 AM (#564442 - in reply to #520945)
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The brake pedal started to increase it's travel bit by bit until it suddenly came pretty close to the floor. So I took the rear brakes apart and eventually found that the adjuster tab on the rear brake shoe had bent over so that the adjuster didn't make contact with it anymore. Also, the round spring clip that holds the adjuster to the main structure had broken off. Great. After a lot of effort, I managed to get the spring clip back into place and I clamped down on it to get it as close to the original position as possible, then I welded it to the adjuster pin in multiple places to make sure it wouldn't move again. I tried bending the tab on the brake shoe back into position, but it was really soft and immediately broke off. So I pulled a brake shoe from the front of my '58 New Yorker, that had good ones on it, and replaced the bad one on the Coronet. After that, I put it back together and I was able to adjust the shoes like normal again. Drove the car, and the brakes feel like new. Nice, ready for use again.

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