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DieselJeep
Posted 2016-11-03 8:51 AM (#525151 - in reply to #520945)
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Nice looking car, Nathan!

Probably gunna copy your brake light switch idea.

I vote for Black with Red. Makes all the FL cars look sinister...
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2016-11-03 12:32 PM (#525168 - in reply to #525138)
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Powerflite - 2016-11-02 10:19 PM

Are you saying that the '58 cap didn't have gold knights and had a black background around it instead?

Thanks for the link. Your car looks awesome! I am really jealous. Do you know where I can get re-pops of the exhaust deflectors that mount to the bumper?


You are correct, Nathan. The '58 hub caps (like the standard wheel covers) did not have a gold helmet and instead had a black background in the circular area surrounding the helmet. If you wanted to go stock, you wouldn't even have to worry about gold plating this or gold painting that. The black background is much easier to paint-match!  There was somebody re-popping those deflectors recently - good price too!
http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=62999&posts=2&highlight=deflector&highlightmode=1#M520901

 

Most '58 Dodges had Eggshell-painted wheels with a gray center.  However, cars equipped with hub caps (and perhaps others) could have body-color painted wheels.  In your case, this would still be Eggshell.  However, if you wanted to paint your car Mint Green and have hub caps, you could paint your wheels Mint Green with some reasonable expectation the factory would have done the same.

 

Also, with two-toning on '58 Dodges, you could go with a standard two-tone, deluxe two-tone, saddle two-tone (requires different trim), or even the Regal two-tone (requires a heck of a lot of different and unobtainable trim).  My car was originally a deluxe two-tone, but I switched it to a saddle two-tone by adding Spring Special trim.  The saddle may also be accomplished with the '57 rear-quarter trim.  It looks like your photoshop sets are all going to the deluxe two-toning (which is great), but it might be worth looking at all the options - save Regal two-toning. 



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Powerflite
Posted 2016-11-04 2:04 AM (#525244 - in reply to #525168)
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Thanks Diesel, but red is out of the question. I am really liking the green. But it definitely won't stay all-white as it was born. That is just too boring.

Thanks for the link Mike. I found the exhaust tips under the seller vansautollc, still for sale. Sweet. I want to flatten/oval the pipe so that I can extend it into the deflector farther to prevent exhaust soot from getting between it and the bumper. That's the plan anyway. I may have to modify that pipe mount a bit. That's why I don't want expensive originals, but these re-pops ain't cheap either.

I am not familiar with the standard two-tone. Would that be to only paint the roof a different color, or what does it look like?

As far as converting to a saddle two-tone, I really like the color combo of that style, but I also really like the positioning of the emblem at the end of the trim on the deluxe two-tone. Gives the car a nice flair, even if the color isn't as nicely proportioned. So I am undecided. But currently, I don't have the trim for a '57 style treatment, so the default is what I have.
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2016-11-04 10:31 AM (#525269 - in reply to #525244)
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Hi, Nathan - yes, the standard two-tone is just the roof, which is a bit more unusual to see these days. There is nothing wrong with the deluxe two-tone - I like it too! The deluxe two-tone is probably the most commonly seen two-tone treatment on a '58 Dodge, and there is probably a good reason for its popularity!

You and Greg are right - the Lancer emblems really make it pop! Standard two-tone seen below:




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Powerflite
Posted 2016-11-24 1:47 AM (#527042 - in reply to #525269)
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Thanks for letting me pick your brain Mike, you're awesome.

I bought a really nice set of hood ornaments and got them installed and finally got it registered. Now I can drive it around *legally* But I'm quickly losing what's left of my steering wheel to the floor pan. Looks like I am going to have to spend the money to get it recast if I can't find a good replacement. The tires on this car are only temporary until I can purchase a new set. I stole these off my '57 Windsor.



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Powerflite
Posted 2016-11-24 2:01 AM (#527043 - in reply to #527042)
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I have been working on the new trunk lid that I got from John. I welded up all the letter & trim holes since this was from a '57 CRL. It also had a small amount of rust damage on the underside of it that I have mostly fixed. Still needs a little bit more work and I need to make a template to drill the holes for the Dodge emblem, but I should finish it up on Thanksgiving weekend.

It has these 4 holes on the underside of it for some reason. Are these done by a previous owner or were these used for some dealer accessory that mounts to the underside of the trunk lid? I guess I will just weld them back in.



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Posted 2016-11-24 8:25 AM (#527069 - in reply to #520945)
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trunklids on these cars are no fun... rust just keeps going and going around the bottoms.

I did pour mine full of por15 when I got done and opened up the drain holes real good.
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Posted 2016-11-24 1:10 PM (#527100 - in reply to #527069)
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Dodge is looking nice Nathan!
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Powerflite
Posted 2016-12-16 6:21 PM (#528910 - in reply to #527100)
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Thanks Matt and Mike.

I got tired of driving it with parts of the steering wheel falling off into my lap, and holding onto the bare wire. So I installed this Chrysler wheel until I can either recast my old one, or get a different wheel. I bought this wheel from Fall Fling in October for a whopping $10. Not a perfect match in color, but close enough and should work well until I can get the right wheel in there.



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Posted 2016-12-16 6:35 PM (#528913 - in reply to #520945)
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yikes the 10$ guy got annihilated
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Posted 2016-12-16 6:51 PM (#528916 - in reply to #520945)
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I know that steering wheel! Looks good in there. Nathan and I did several passes with that seller. He scored a cart full of fun, I walked away with a Highway Hi-Fi for $40.
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Powerflite
Posted 2016-12-16 10:00 PM (#528924 - in reply to #528916)
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Yes, that was a good day! My Coronet scored 2 rear speaker grilles as well. How's the Hi-Fi coming along?
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Posted 2016-12-18 1:47 AM (#529015 - in reply to #525151)
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I vote for Black with Red. Makes all the FL cars look sinister...

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Sinister ? Why would anyone want their 58 Dodge to look "sinister" ?

How about elegant ? Harry Truman had a nice 58 Dodge coupe.

Or you could paint it all brown. Makes any car look like a turd !

Mopar Geezer would approve !
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Powerflite
Posted 2016-12-20 3:24 PM (#529303 - in reply to #520945)
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I want to convert this car to run a 4bbl, but the intake manifold is setup for the small WCFB. After digging through my garage, I found an NOS rebuilt carb that I had picked up for my '56 Plymouth back in 2003. The number on the box is 14-18 by Champion Re-builders. This carb looks like it is made for this intake, but would I be better off machining the intake for an AVS carb from a 340 instead that I know I will like? Does anyone have first hand experience with these carbs that can tell me if I should use it or not?



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Posted 2016-12-20 3:28 PM (#529305 - in reply to #520945)
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Oh, and by the way, that brass vacuum setup is going to be used to convert to a PCV setup. I don't like using the downdraft tube, it creates too much oil vapors that are obnoxious when sitting, idling at a light. But with a larger, newer carb, I could connect the PCV to the base of the carb instead, which would be better too.
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Posted 2016-12-20 6:08 PM (#529331 - in reply to #521069)
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Powerflite - 2016-09-12 5:11 PM

It is looking like this one is going to get some buzzard puke on it too. The wife approves the mint/white w/whitewall combo, but I think I prefer the charcoal/mint w/dog dishes. The wife says darker green/black makes it look like an army jeep! So I guess that one is out. I'm looking forward to the day your buzzard starts busting those boulevards again.


This was my old car , couple of owners after I restored it added the Gold bling and wheels?

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Posted 2017-01-08 9:15 PM (#530855 - in reply to #529331)
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And I gratuitously spewed green goo all over it without even blinking an eye. Sorry Looks like you shouldn't have gotten rid of it. Pretty nice little cruiser even after it got touched by king Midas.

My car received some new shoes this week. 255/275x60 series tires on 15x8 wheels with zero offset. I decided that what I liked most about the '58 Dodge is that it seems to be the Forwardlook muscle car; much more-so than the other brands. So I am going for a '50's muscle car look and I am going to paint the top black to match the wheels. I was originally going to put some trim rings onto them as well, but I thought they ruined the look so I took them back off. I really like the gold knight on the black background so I am going to paint the one silver odd-ball gold to match the others (hopefully). The rear tires fit perfectly and you probably couldn't go much bigger unless you move the springs inward. The front rims contacted the front corners of the '99 Dodge truck brake calipers a little bit so I ground the corners of the calipers down a bit to clear. Other than that, they fill very well too.



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Powerflite
Posted 2017-01-08 9:20 PM (#530856 - in reply to #520945)
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Here is what the car looks like now with these on.



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Posted 2017-01-08 11:13 PM (#530860 - in reply to #520945)
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Nice wheels I always wondered what the Dog Dish caps would look like on my 57 2dr sedan that I'm currently working on. The 15" Wheels do fit …………. nice as I was doubting that even after reading that the famous 57 2dr 354 cu in/dual 4bbl ran 15" tires. I seen a set of hubcaps like this on epay a while back are yours the ones?
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Powerflite
Posted 2017-01-09 12:25 AM (#530865 - in reply to #530860)
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Probably not. I bought a single one on ebay from someone local, and met the guy in person to pick it up. Turned out he had 5 that he sold me.
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Posted 2017-01-09 12:24 PM (#530901 - in reply to #520945)
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I know how excited you are being able to drive it as none of of mine have ever gotten to the paint stage. Hell, the one I'm driving now hasn't even received a windshield. lol If you want to see original door panel colors take off the door trim to expose the top part of the panel. I have a couple of those dog dish caps but that style didn't come on a '59. Keep up the hard work!!!
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Posted 2017-01-09 1:39 PM (#530911 - in reply to #530901)
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I love it, Nathan! That's exactly how I did my hub caps - the best of both worlds!

The images are not very good, but the caps are done exactly the same way...

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=19224&posts=2&start=1



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Powerflite
Posted 2017-01-09 2:53 PM (#530919 - in reply to #530901)
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Yeah, Dorsey, life is too short to wait to enjoy it! But of all my vehicles, this one will get painted first. Mainly because it requires the least body work to complete and really needs some other colors on it. Once I get the trunk weatherstripping channel fixed, I will go ahead and paint the top & fins black - maybe even before fixing the trunk floor. But in the meantime, let's go for a ride!

Mike: Great minds think alike The black background on the '58 version makes it look a lot better IMO.
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Posted 2017-01-09 4:54 PM (#530935 - in reply to #530919)
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I think that car would look pretty tough in all-black! Whatever you decide to do will look great. It's coming along very nicely.

I see you have a Dodge, Plymouth, Desoto, Chrysler, and Valiant. If you have an Imperial, you'd have all the Mopar makes under one roof, quite an accomplishment.
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Posted 2017-01-09 5:19 PM (#530939 - in reply to #520945)
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Posted 2017-01-09 5:36 PM (#530943 - in reply to #520945)
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Digging that all black ^^^^ with the Dog Dishs. darn Nathan, I wish I had your work ethic . . . . when you get a new ride, you really go to work on it. And those new shoes really look great. Regretfully I have done nothing with the Highway HiFi yet, just living vicariously through you.
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Posted 2017-01-10 12:35 PM (#531011 - in reply to #520945)
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As a Lad I owned a used all black 57 Coronet Lancer D500 3spd column, which I owned for several mo until I got sick then Dad sold it. Mine had white walls & Lancer spinners. The Lancer wheel cover was a hot item stolen often from cars around dance halls!
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Posted 2017-01-10 2:03 PM (#531017 - in reply to #530935)
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I must admit that all black looks REALLY good. What kind of caps is he using though? Very odd looking. I have ruled out creating the pastel green cream-puff that my wife likes. I decided that I just don't care to have a '58 Dodge in these light pastels. My current plans are a dark green and black, but I could go for a black and white, all black or something else entirely.

My Dodge Lancer isn't quite a Valiant, and I have no aspirations to obtain an Imperial either so sorry, the complete brand thing isn't going to happen. Dave, I am spending my time buying wheels because I can't get much work done with this weird weather. I hope it lets up soon or I may go broke! But the extra water here is a nice change.

Gerry: Better stay away from those dance halls! I'm trying to picture how whitewalls & spinners would look on an all-black car...





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Posted 2017-01-10 3:46 PM (#531025 - in reply to #520945)
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Sorry, it was a quicky photoshop I did of a Coronet and some dog dish caps. Apparently from a '65 Galaxie.



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Posted 2017-01-10 4:33 PM (#531033 - in reply to #531025)
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Nice, that makes more sense now.

Powerflite - 2017-01-10 11:03 AM
... I'm trying to picture how whitewalls & spinners would look on an all-black car...


And there you have it!
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Posted 2017-01-15 12:06 PM (#531404 - in reply to #520945)
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I installed lap belts & replaced the muffler in the car yesterday. The last work to do before moving on to working on the New Yorker. Once the front seat foam stops disintegrating under it, I will paint the floor and install a carpet in there. but this car has become a pretty nice driver so I am going to enjoy it for a little while.
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Posted 2017-01-17 1:17 PM (#531569 - in reply to #520945)
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Photo shop guys, please do a dark blue silver fins roof like the 58 brochure shows thanks
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Posted 2017-01-17 4:29 PM (#531594 - in reply to #531569)
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How is this? Silver is a tough color to photoshop because it doesn't get the same sparkle, but this is about the right shade, I think.



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Posted 2017-01-19 1:25 PM (#531785 - in reply to #520945)
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Thank you, always loved the 57's but the dark blue & silver 58s are a super favorite.
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Posted 2017-01-19 3:00 PM (#531789 - in reply to #520945)
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that light green white, and dark blue/silver are sweet.

DONT DO THAT ARMY STAFF CAR! no no no
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Posted 2017-01-21 5:27 AM (#531925 - in reply to #531594)
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Powerflite: A nice job you did with Photoshop!

Impressive how a color affects the aspect of a car. A low-cost way for evaluation.

When upholtery adapted as well it would look as "real".  - SERGE -



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Posted 2017-02-18 2:51 PM (#534273 - in reply to #520945)
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Nathan, My plan is to put dog dish caps on my '57 Sierra wagon. What wheels are you using that are 15x8 and will take the dog dish caps?
The wheels I found local are to small in the center, the caps are loose... Also, what brand tires, those look great...
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Posted 2017-02-18 4:47 PM (#534290 - in reply to #534273)
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Here is a better picture of the wheels.

The wheels are Wheel Vintiques original Chrysler style 63 series. I purchased them through Summit Racing. These wheels are made for the '60's cars, but you can use them with the older caps if you get some small 1/2" OD spacers and weld them to the mounting nubs on the wheels. This spaces them out perfectly to fit the bigger caps. Make sure you re-balance your wheel afterward, but as long as you don't go crazy with the welding, it shouldn't affect your balance too much. The tires are Cooper Cobra's. They have a really cool snake embossed on the black side of the tire that looks pretty cool. I am pretty happy with this setup, and it gives me the look I was hoping for.



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Posted 2017-02-18 10:41 PM (#534312 - in reply to #520945)
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Thanks for the info... They really look good
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Posted 2017-07-23 11:14 AM (#544669 - in reply to #520945)
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I picked up a steering wheel that is in much better shape than my original, but still needed a lot of repair. Koch's told me that it was too far gone to repair with their resin filler and they don't have a mold for it. Drat. They charge half of what other people want for a newly molded wheel. I would have paid them at their price level, but not at the $1200 point that others want. So I decided to fix it myself like I did to my '57 Windsor wheel. That wheel has held up very well over the last 5 yrs or so in the heat of the sun so I was very pleased with the results. To repair this, I sanded the entire top portion down really well, and inside all the cracks to loosen whatever was going to come off and provide a good surface for the filler. Then I *pressed* Duraglass into all the cracks with my fingers and smoothed it out as much as possible. Duraglass is bondo with fiberglass filler. It dries much harder than regular bondo and can hold it's shape better when used in thicker amounts. Seems to work well for this application. After sanding it is looking much better. It needs a second application to get areas that I didn't apply enough material, but after that, I will seal it with a good primer. I decided to not paint this the stock turquoise colors. I will paint the top a light green color to match my dash and leave the bottom black, just like Rosie's wheel.



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Posted 2017-08-18 11:19 AM (#546469 - in reply to #520945)
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I finished repairing my new steering wheel. It isn't as good as having a newly re-cast wheel, but this one really didn't cost me anything; and $1300 is just outside my price limit for these things. I also added a new horn ring since mine was quite pitted and I painted it up too. I think this is a '57 style horn ring, but oh well, can't have everything. I had some interference between the inside ring mount and the bottom inside of the wheel. Not sure why, unless it is because of a difference between '57 and '58. But I filed the sharp edges off the ring mount and ground down the inside of the wheel a little to make it work. I also had to grind a flat on the horn switch so it would clear too. Weird that my '58 wheel didn't seem to need it.

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Posted 2017-08-18 4:22 PM (#546492 - in reply to #520945)
Subject: Re: White 1958 Coronet Lancer



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Don't sell yourself short. That wheel looks fantastic!
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Posted 2017-08-18 8:15 PM (#546510 - in reply to #520945)
Subject: Re: White 1958 Coronet Lancer



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Thanks Marc! It'll be great to finally get a Dodge wheel back on the car. The Chrysler wheel is a little too deep to be comfortable in the Dodge. I didn't know there was a difference in depth before I tried it on there.
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big m
Posted 2017-08-19 10:42 AM (#546528 - in reply to #520945)
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Nice work on that steering wheel!!
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Powerflite
Posted 2017-08-24 6:42 PM (#546935 - in reply to #520945)
Subject: Re: White 1958 Coronet Lancer



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Thanks John, I attempted to install it, but soon realized that it was missing the horn contact ring on the bottom of it! Doh! How does that even get removed? I am thinking I will make a steel plate and braze a brass coating to it to prevent it from rusting and to be able to solder the wire connection to it from the topside. After filing the brass flat, I will weld it to the hub of the steering wheel in 3 places. Seems like the best I can do, but it would have been nice to do it before all the paint work.....
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2017-08-24 10:11 PM (#546957 - in reply to #546935)
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Sweet work on that wheel, Nathan! That is one you can be proud of!
Beats the snap out of paying $1,300 cold hard American!
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Powerflite
Posted 2017-08-26 7:38 PM (#547091 - in reply to #546957)
Subject: Re: White 1958 Coronet Lancer



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Thanks Mike! I like it too, but without the bottom horn ring contact, the wheel has a bunch of ribs that catch on the horn roller contact and causes no end of trouble. So I can't use it until I get that fixed. So I am playing musical wheels with it in the meantime....this time from a Plymouth I also installed a speedometer that works with a much nicer bezel on it and a right side mirror.



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Lancer Mike
Posted 2017-08-27 9:35 AM (#547121 - in reply to #547091)
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Ooo! The "CHP look"! Not bad....
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Powerflite
Posted 2017-08-27 10:38 AM (#547124 - in reply to #547121)
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I just need a gumball flasher, siren and dash mounted shotgun to go with it.
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2017-08-27 10:02 PM (#547164 - in reply to #547124)
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Nathan, you got me inspired! I am repainting the De Soto steering wheel now.
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