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71charger_fan
Posted 2018-06-03 9:23 AM (#564460 - in reply to #526294)
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I have a pair of armrests, but am not where they're supposed to attach as Plazas (at least my Plaza) didn't come with armrests.
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56D500boy
Posted 2018-06-03 10:28 AM (#564468 - in reply to #564460)
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71charger_fan - 2018-06-03 9:23 AM
I have a pair of armrests, but am not where they're supposed to attach as Plazas (at least my Plaza) didn't come with armrests.


Not sure if you've posted a photo of one of your doors with the inner door panel off, but I am guessing the location of the screw receivers is already marked or even punched out. If it isn't punched out you would have to open a rectangular slot (2 actually). Then the next trick is creating the armrest screw receiver clips which fit in those slots. If possible, the receiver clips could be cannibalized off any 55-56 Plymouth or Dodge (or probably Desoto or Chrysler).

Somebody with a 2dr sedan (or wagon), e.g. Nathan (Powerflite) might be able to measure location(s) for the slots if your door is not already punched.

Some photos (of my right rear door that needed some anti-rust conditioning) and the clips, etc.:



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71charger_fan
Posted 2018-06-05 3:31 PM (#564610 - in reply to #564460)
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So, I've been going round and round trying to get the fuel gauge working. Had 12.36 volts at the gauge, but nothing at the sender. Continuity was fine on both leads going to the sender, so I added a ground to the sender and still nothing. I pulled the gauge and sender and tested them straight from the battery according to the FSM. The needle didn't move. So, I grabbed the original gauge, filed the points in the gauge, and hooked it up. It worked. So, I filed the points in the NOS gauge, hooked it up, and it worked. Who knew there were points in a fuel gauge?



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56D500boy
Posted 2018-06-05 5:57 PM (#564628 - in reply to #564610)
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Wow. I am holding a 56 Dodge fuel gauge in my hand and I must be blind. I can't see any points.

You know that isn't the right battery for your car right? (In terms of location of the 12V terminals that is).
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71charger_fan
Posted 2018-06-05 6:15 PM (#564630 - in reply to #526294)
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I tried putting the battery in the other way but the negative cable was too short. It was cheaper to flip the battery around than buy a longer ground cable.
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71charger_fan
Posted 2018-06-05 7:08 PM (#564638 - in reply to #526294)
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"I am holding a 56 Dodge fuel gauge in my hand and I must be blind. I can't see any points. "
The points are only on the wagon gauge. They may exist because they didn't use fuses at the time. They may function as a circuit breaker.
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Powerflite
Posted 2018-06-05 7:43 PM (#564642 - in reply to #526294)
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Most likely those points are used as a crude voltage regulator. That is what allows the gauge to run on either supply voltage. Mopar vehicles in the '60's used this same technology to provide an average 5 volt supply to their gauges.

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Old Ray
Posted 2018-06-05 8:09 PM (#564643 - in reply to #564642)
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Powerflite - 2018-06-05 5:43 PM Most likely those points are used as a crude voltage regulator.


What he said !

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71charger_fan
Posted 2018-06-07 9:06 PM (#564765 - in reply to #564638)
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I got one of the last two panels covered today then ran out of staples.



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71charger_fan
Posted 2018-06-08 4:32 PM (#564829 - in reply to #564765)
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Today, my wife covered the last interior panel and I installed it. Now, I need to do something about the rear seat armrests and the cargo load floor.




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71charger_fan
Posted 2018-06-10 3:16 PM (#564963 - in reply to #564829)
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Went to today's Mopar show at Mason Dixon Dragway. That was a mistake.



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Posted 2018-06-17 2:53 PM (#565256 - in reply to #564963)
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I decided to take a swing at carpeting the load floor. I had to clean up the edges as there was a little rust and some pinholes. So, I sealed them up with a combination of POR15 and POR putty. Then, I went around the edges with masking tape and filled in with masking paper. Then, I put the pattern on some indoor/outdoor carpet I picked up at a local discount store. The color of the carpet was supposed to be charcoal, but it seems more blue. I may buy different carpet and switch it out. For the time being, it's much better than the bare blue-painted steel.



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Posted 2018-06-17 2:56 PM (#565257 - in reply to #565256)
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Measuring and cutting the padding would have been easier without the assistance of my Great Pyrenees.



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Old Ray
Posted 2018-06-17 8:10 PM (#565267 - in reply to #526294)
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Looks great.....thank you for posting. (can't wait).
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71charger_fan
Posted 2018-06-19 2:45 PM (#565327 - in reply to #565257)
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I think I finally found a spring for the driver side wiper arm that will hold the blade against the window.



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Posted 2018-06-20 10:31 AM (#565366 - in reply to #565327)
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I started on the rear seat armrest tops. The last vestige of the smell of mice.



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71charger_fan
Posted 2018-06-21 3:52 PM (#565421 - in reply to #565366)
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Today, I continued working on the rear seat arm rests.




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Posted 2018-06-26 3:32 PM (#565658 - in reply to #565421)
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Finished up the rear seat arm rests today.




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Posted 2018-07-10 8:33 PM (#566439 - in reply to #526294)
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Today, I decided to put some fresh oil in the engine for Carlisle weekend as sludge is still working its way loose from years of neglect. When I pulled out the oil filter, I stuck my finger down in the canister and felt probably a good inch of sludge in the bottom. So, I disconnected the inlet and outlet lines, removed the canister and cleaned it out. The worst of what was in the bottom was like Play Doh when it's just about hard. I scooped that out with a worn screwdriver and wiped it out thoroughly. I reassembled everything and decided to go for a short drive. Almost as soon as I left the driveway, the filter cover gasket let go and there's about 2 quarts of fresh 10w-30 making a stripe on the street. I took the canister off the engine again and also removed the drain line and cleared that with brake cleaner. I put it all back together with an NOS USA-made Hastings filter instead of the made-in-Turkey Fram and it all seems fine now. What a mess.
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Posted 2018-07-11 8:52 AM (#566460 - in reply to #566439)
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Hum. 10w-30 is probably a good flushing oil but I wonder if a slightly heavier oil for summer heat and long trips would be better?
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71charger_fan
Posted 2018-07-15 9:30 AM (#566631 - in reply to #526294)
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Made it up and back twice. Only used a quart of oil per day. I really have to do something about the leak where the oil filter drain goes back into the block. Two qts in just over 300 miles is excessive. Especially when it doesn't seem to be burning any. I'll probably replace the hard lines to the oil filter with braided lines to the filter can be emptied at oil changes without disconnecting anything.
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Posted 2018-07-17 8:19 AM (#566726 - in reply to #526294)
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On the drives up and back to Carlisle I was thrilled at how comfortable the seats were. I really dumb-lucked into a great combination of materials that provided a firm but comfortable cushion and the cloth seating surfaces are so much more comfortable in the heat than the vinyl was.
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71charger_fan
Posted 2018-07-20 8:31 PM (#566903 - in reply to #566726)
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At Carlisle, I bought a clutch rod grommet/bellows from one of the vendors that looked like it would fit the '55. Today, I decided to find out. It was a surprisingly good fit. Color me happy. I smeared a good amount of Permatex Black around it on the engine side.



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Posted 2018-07-27 3:25 PM (#567298 - in reply to #566903)
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My NOS headpipe and tailpipe arrived today. I'm still looking for a muffler. In the meantime, I'll slip in a glasspack of the right length.



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Posted 2018-07-27 7:24 PM (#567312 - in reply to #567298)
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71charger_fan - 2018-07-27 3:25 PM
My NOS headpipe and tailpipe arrived today. I'm still looking for a muffler. In the meantime, I'll slip in a glasspack of the right length.


Back in the day (1967-72) when I was in high school and university with my 55 Canadian Dodge with the "big" 25 inch long head Canadian 251 cu in flat-head six, I ran a Thrush (straight through, perforated center core) muffler. I sounded great (mostly) - might have been a little bit of "drone" on the highway, but I liked it. Loved the throaty sound of the straight six.

What makes me kick my butt now is I never converted the exhaust manifold to duals. Not necessarily Fenton but just a cut and weld job would have been in my budget.

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71charger_fan
Posted 2018-07-28 8:32 PM (#567348 - in reply to #567312)
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I put the new pipes in today. However, I didn't realize that the tailpipe was 2" but necked down to 1.75" going into the muffler. So, tomorrow morning I'll run to NAPA and pick up the appropriate adapter and finish it up.



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Posted 2018-07-29 8:12 PM (#567383 - in reply to #526294)
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Today, I picked up a 41946 reducer at NAPA and finished up the exhaust installation.
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Posted 2018-08-03 8:05 PM (#567756 - in reply to #567383)
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Two u-joint kits arrived today.




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Posted 2018-08-04 8:38 PM (#567813 - in reply to #567756)
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The odometer in my car didn't work. I had purchased a spare dash panel but didn't know the condition of that speedometer. I took it to Carlisle and handed it over to D&M Restoration on Saturday and asked for repair only just to ensure the speedometer and odometer were working. I also asked them to set the odometer to match the reading of the one in the car. I cost me $200 to have them rebuild the speedometer, repaint the needle, reset the odometer, and give it a general clean up. I had it back by the very next Friday.




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71charger_fan
Posted 2018-08-13 3:26 PM (#568371 - in reply to #567813)
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Today, I decided to deal with switching the hard lines to and from the oil filter to flexible braided lines. This way, I can undo the filter when I do an oil change and pour it out. That way, all that dirty oil won't stay behind in the system as it does now. Unfortunately, as soon as I got everything apart, a thunderstorm blew in. So, maybe tomorrow.




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Posted 2018-08-14 3:57 PM (#568416 - in reply to #568371)
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I installed the braided oil lines to and from the filter. Where the fittings go into the block made for an extremely tight fit for the starter, but I got it in. I reused the 45-degree drain fitting, but I think I'll need to take that apart as that one is leaking. It was leaking before, but I hoped thread sealant would allow me to reuse it without issue. I'll have to dig around in Ebay and try to find new 45-degree fittings. I do have one more new 90-degree fitting and if I have too much trouble finding a 45, I'll use that.




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Posted 2018-08-20 7:47 PM (#568723 - in reply to #568416)
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A couple of different style 45-degree adapters arrived in today's mail. One of these, likely the black one, should be the ticket for finally stopping the oil leak where the filter drain enters the block.




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Posted 2018-09-18 12:22 PM (#570303 - in reply to #568723)
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I finally had a chance to fix the leaking oil return fitting. Unfortunately, there wasn't enough room to use the 45-degree AN fitting. I had to use one of the 45-degree brass NPT fittings and an NPT to AN-03 straight adapter.



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Posted 2018-10-03 7:22 PM (#571116 - in reply to #570303)
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I found a parking lamp lens that, while not NOS, is in better shape than what was on the car.



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Posted 2018-10-14 10:25 PM (#571702 - in reply to #526294)
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I had maybe 400 summer miles on my last oil change. So, I drained the oil. For the first time, no sludge came out. Looks like I've finally got the engine flushed out.
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Posted 2018-10-24 11:45 AM (#572280 - in reply to #571702)
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I misunderstood the Ebay listing. I thought I was buying an NOS turn signal lens, what I got was an NOS lens and an NOS housing. Not bad for $41.



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Posted 2018-10-24 1:53 PM (#572291 - in reply to #526294)
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That's a great score. I like those a lot better than the '56 version. I am considering swapping mine out for those.
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Posted 2018-10-25 8:43 PM (#572371 - in reply to #572280)
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Replaced the speedometer in the 1955 Plymouth Plaza with the one from my parts stash that I had repaired. After 2 years of ownership, I finally have a working odometer and a steady speedometer needle.



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Posted 2018-11-29 9:53 PM (#574377 - in reply to #526294)
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I had someone on another forum express interest in buying the wagon. I went through everything I have spent on the car and realized I was into in for somewhere above $18,000. I was quite surprised. I would have guessed somewhere between $12,500 and $14,000. As I didn't believe the car to be worth $18K, I offered it to him for $15K. He passed as it was more than he wanted to spend.
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Posted 2018-12-05 10:17 AM (#574689 - in reply to #574377)
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Tried to run errands in the wagon today. It wouldn't start. The fuel filter was dry and wasn't filling. So, a dive into the parts stash for a fuel pump was in order.



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Posted 2018-12-18 1:28 PM (#575437 - in reply to #574689)
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Today, the weather finally cooperated and allowed me to work in the driveway to switch out the fuel pump. Not sure if the old one is worth keeping to rebuild it or if I should just trash it.




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Posted 2018-12-18 2:23 PM (#575444 - in reply to #575437)
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71charger_fan - 2018-12-18 1:28 PM
Not sure if the old one is worth keeping to rebuild it or if I should just trash it.


The repair kit for the 55-56 Plymouth 6 cyl fuel pump is 1450 023. There is one for sale on the internet:

https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/albert-park/engine-engine-parts-tran...




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71charger_fan
Posted 2018-12-18 3:44 PM (#575449 - in reply to #526294)
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he wants $50, I'm still finding complete pumps for that. Thanks for the part number. Gives me something else to search for. Wonder what Carter's number was for this kit
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71charger_fan
Posted 2018-12-25 10:47 AM (#575792 - in reply to #575437)
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After changing out the fuel pump, a few days ago I decided to run errands in it but she refused to start. There's spark and fuel to the carb. I had too many other things to do to mess with it. I'm guessing either a stuck float or clogged needle and seat. It may be time to finally spend the money and get a new carb.
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71charger_fan
Posted 2019-01-11 7:18 PM (#576602 - in reply to #575792)
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I took advantage of an unseasonably warm day to switch the carb. However, by the time I got the carb on and fished a wire for the choke, it was late, getting dark, and getting cold. Now, there's snow on the way. So, it's up to Mother Nature when I get around to trying an initial fire up.



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71charger_fan
Posted 2019-02-13 7:51 PM (#578184 - in reply to #576602)
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I needed a timing chain and gears. Finding American-made timing components for the Plymouth flathead is doable, but not easy. Fortunately, I saw the P24 stamped on the engine before I tracked down the parts as the timing chains changed for '55.




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71charger_fan
Posted 2019-02-16 8:31 PM (#578308 - in reply to #578184)
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The forecast for snow today missed the mark by a mile and it was sunny and reasonably warm (for February). So, I went outside to eye up how big a job the timing chain was going to be. I didn't see any way to do it without pulling the radiator. So, it can wait.
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Posted 2019-02-16 9:31 PM (#578309 - in reply to #526294)
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Let me know how well that carburetor works out.
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Posted 2019-03-31 1:04 PM (#580185 - in reply to #578308)
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Yesterday, I finally got that elusive combination of a warm, dry day where I wasn't babysitting. So, out to the driveway to try and get the wagon started. I pulled the fuel line off of the carb and put it in a plastic bottle then hit the starter. No gas in the bottle. So, on the off chance my swap meet fuel filter was defective, I swapped in a clear plastic one and hit the starter again. When I saw the plastic one start to fill with fuel, I put the hose back on the carb and it started right up. Just when I thought I'd fixed it, it died. No fuel coming from the accelerator pump, so I checked again and realized it wasn't pumping fuel. So, then I thought the "new" fuel pump I'd installed must have already gone bad, so I swapped it with another NOS one I had on hand. Still no fuel flow. Then, I did what, in hindsight, I should have done in the first place and pushed some compressed air through the line until I heard the fuel tank bubble. Hooked everything back up and it started right up and ran. Now, I'm thinking I need to drop the fuel tank and send it off to get it cleaned out and coated.



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Posted 2019-04-09 8:15 PM (#580641 - in reply to #526294)
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I took it out on Sunday and just drove it around and around the area near my house. I put about 10 to 12 miles on it. It drives nicely and I can definitely feel (and hear) a difference with the 2-bbl at WOT. Otherwise, other than having a working choke, it feels about the same as it did with the 1-bbl once warmed up. I'm pretty happy no longer having an oil-bath air cleaner.
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