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Powerflite
Posted 2017-06-26 11:05 AM (#542887 - in reply to #542520)
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I finished cleaning and repairing the cowl seam this weekend. I then sprayed rust converter inside there and put red oxide primer/sealer on top of that. I will then paint it black in there just to color match so you don't see the red under the seam. After I hammer the seam back down, I will probably remove most of the paint from that area to start with a fresh coat of primer. I REALLY need new windshield rubber! When is Steele Rubber going to get on the ball to make us something? That is the biggest disappointment working with these cars, is the lack of good rubber. The 2 piece things are too tight and not a great solution anyway.



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Powerflite
Posted 2017-07-02 2:28 AM (#543337 - in reply to #529650)
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I am thinking of using these hubcaps on the car with Diamondback whitewall radials.



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KcImperial
Posted 2017-07-02 8:51 AM (#543351 - in reply to #529650)
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Those 1966 Chrysler hubcaps are so close in design to the 1959 Imperial hubcaps. I think they will look great on your New Yorker.
Nice touch with the New Yorker crest in the center.
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Posted 2017-07-02 10:52 AM (#543359 - in reply to #543351)
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Thanks. I see ads for '59 Imperial hubcaps that are 15". Did they use 15" wheels on the '59 Imperial?
My second choice for 15" hubcaps would be the '55 New Yorker cap. The '56 is too smooth for my taste.



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KcImperial
Posted 2017-07-02 2:44 PM (#543373 - in reply to #529650)
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The best I understand is that a few early production 59's had 14 inch wheel but the majority had 15 inch.
That '55 cap looks nice. I've thought about using '56 Imperial hubcaps on some of my 58's that have disc brakes. You're right about them looking too smooth though.
That's why I like that '66 cap. It is basically a '59 Imperial cap without that heavy (gaudy) gear toothed inner ring.
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Posted 2017-07-02 3:18 PM (#543374 - in reply to #543359)
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Why not use stock 57 NY'er caps ? They are great looking !
57-59 300 caps are great too, as are 57-58 Imperial ? Are you
trying to get 15" ??? That is the down side of the aforementioned.

I tend to see the more upscale cars as looking silly if they are
modified to have "sportier" updates. It works better on Plymouths
and Dodges, but not so much with DeSotos and Chryslers. 57
NY'er just about tops the list of the finest Forward Look design
ever conjured up. Hard to change anything and have it look better.

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Powerflite
Posted 2017-07-02 3:55 PM (#543377 - in reply to #543374)
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I completely agree with you Doc. I love the original caps and would prefer to use them, but I can't stand 14 inch wheels. And 14 inch isn't compatible with the disc brakes I want to use. So I am looking for the next best thing.
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mikes2nd
Posted 2017-07-02 10:44 PM (#543395 - in reply to #529650)
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I got some originals that I don't need anymore. They are 99% flawless.  They are I think one of the top 3 designs for FW cars.

Definately better than the 58-59 ones.   I dont like the reverse dog dish style of imperial/300's 

 



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Powerflite
Posted 2017-07-03 3:15 AM (#543412 - in reply to #543395)
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Thanks. If I can figure out how to reliably use 14" caps on 15" wheels without spending a fortune, I will hit you up for them.

I wasted most of my day on Saturday extracting this cowl piece from my Windsor Parts car. It looked pretty good when I started, but by the time I got it out and cleaned out the rubber stuff in it, this is how it ended up. This parts car was the most rust-free car I have seen, and yet this rusts from the inside-out because of that rubber stuff they put in there on bare metal. Just enhances the rust process. So I will have to patch up my cowl with clean metal instead.

This hand-held sand blaster from Harbor Freight has come in handy to clean out the cowl drains & other pockets that I can't reach with sand paper. If you use a fine screen filter, you can sweep up the sand afterward and re-use it.



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Powerflite
Posted 2017-07-23 10:10 AM (#544663 - in reply to #529650)
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After taking a wire wheel to the inside lip of the cowl, it revealed quite a bit of rust. I was hoping to fix it with the cowl from my parts car, but that was a dead end so I formed a piece of metal to the proper shape and patched it in. It is mostly done now so I can move on to painting everything and replacing the dash pad.



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mikes2nd
Posted 2017-07-23 11:15 PM (#544702 - in reply to #529650)
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I think I will be doing something similar everything looks good on the outside but once you get in there I think all these cars are gonners in that area.
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Posted 2017-07-30 12:17 PM (#545167 - in reply to #544702)
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Yes, unfortunately so. I am a little afraid to look at the cowl on my DeSoto.

I got the firewall sealed. I'm looking forward to getting this thing painted and put back together. The roof is actually white, but it is so filthy now that it looks gray.



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Powerflite
Posted 2017-09-10 12:27 PM (#548098 - in reply to #529650)
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No more 14" wheels for this car. I didn't buy gold iridite calipers for the car, the rebuilds just came that way. Still have to bend up all the lines.



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Powerflite
Posted 2017-09-13 9:01 AM (#548270 - in reply to #529650)
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I really like the way this hubcap looks on here. I whitewashed the old whitewall tire using photoshop. Now I just need 4 good New Yorker emblems for all of them.



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Posted 2017-09-13 11:21 AM (#548278 - in reply to #529650)
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I like the look of those caps too, Nathan.

You've come a long way on the car so far!

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Posted 2017-09-13 9:07 PM (#548313 - in reply to #529650)
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Hubcaps look great. '66 300, right? They always throw me off for a second because they are so close to the '59 Imperial in design
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Posted 2017-09-13 11:01 PM (#548324 - in reply to #548313)
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Thanks John, it's progressing slower than I expected it to, but moving right along now. Almost ready to paint the engine bay.

Yes, Don, '66 Chrysler 15" disc brake hubcaps that are similar to the '59 Imperial and later 300 cars, only I have replaced the centers with '56-'57 New Yorker emblems.
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Posted 2017-09-20 4:48 PM (#548813 - in reply to #529650)
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I purchased a set of Scat 440 H-beam rods to couple to my 440 rod/392 hemi pistons that should give me a nice 11:1 compression with the aluminum heads. But it took me what seemed like forever to find a decent machine shop to narrow the big end width by .016" and change the bushings. The 440 rods came with new .990" bushings and I need .984". I thought about honing the pistons to .990, but pretty much everyone advised me against doing that; so I just had the bushings in the rods changed. I ended up using L&B ConRod Service in Anaheim. I probably should have guessed that I would need to go to the happiest place on earth to get it done. Now I need to gather everything up and get it re-balanced to the new weight. Then I should be ready to start putting the motor back together.

After measuring everything up, I found out the previous offset bushed 426 hemi rod, big ends were machined to the wrong size at .984" width. Stock 392 big end width is at .994". I am thinking that a .01" extra gap between the rods would have caused a drop in oil pressure and probably would have prematurely destroyed the rod bearings if they got any side play on them. Not good. The condition of the old bearings in the motor seem to confirm this as they looked pretty beat up with very little miles on them. I don't know why they did that, but that issue, their 30% excess weight, and the higher compression (when used with smaller chamber aluminum heads) is why I didn't end up just using the 426 rods that were in the motor.



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Powerflite
Posted 2017-09-22 11:51 AM (#548949 - in reply to #529650)
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I bought an NOS radio foot switch for the car. I checked and it does have the port for it on the back of my radio. Yay! I don't see any kind of locating area on the floorpan though. They must have just screwed it into wherever it looked good.



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KcImperial
Posted 2017-09-22 1:17 PM (#548958 - in reply to #548949)
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Here's a couple pics from two of my Imperials if it helps. (I don't know how different it will be for a New Yorker)
They both align horizontally above the indention in the floor pan.
Vertically, they are a little different compared to each other.
This switch does not get a cut out in the carpet like the dimmer so I doubt the exact placement would very noticeable.
I would worry more about placing it so it's operation won't interfere with the dimmer or the brake pedal.



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Posted 2017-09-22 1:19 PM (#548959 - in reply to #529650)
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I think I got horizontal and vertical backwards in that message. I have problems with left and right too...
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Posted 2017-09-22 1:51 PM (#548967 - in reply to #529650)
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The pictures help a lot, thanks! Now I don't have to guess too much.
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Posted 2017-09-23 10:01 PM (#549032 - in reply to #529650)
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I spent the day wet sanding all my inner panels & '56 air cleaner (for my Plymouth) today. Then I gave a shot at using a new HVLP gun to spray a single stage urethane on them. I really like that gun! Not nearly as much overspray and a lot more control. I was able to dial it down enough to essentially eliminate the possibility of making any runs. I am super pleased with the results. It looks like my rag that I wiped the radiator support with left a couple of lint hairs on it, but other than that, the rest of it looks awesome.



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Posted 2017-10-29 12:12 AM (#551252 - in reply to #529650)
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I received my dash pad from RD Autoline and it looks really nice. They even painted it the correct slivery brownish color for me for a little extra cost. I highly recommend that you have them color it because it came out far better than I could ever make it. This is gonna make the rest of my dash look bad but that's a good thing. The old pad was quite disgusting.



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Posted 2017-10-29 7:07 AM (#551260 - in reply to #529650)
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Yes Nathan,

be careful with cutting the holes for speaker and vents.
To install the pushbuttons housing into the dash is also a challange, but its possible.
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Posted 2017-10-29 7:54 PM (#551300 - in reply to #529650)
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Thanks for the warning Tom. I am planning on installing it first, then cutting with an x-acto knife based on where it sits.
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Posted 2017-11-03 1:36 AM (#551533 - in reply to #529650)
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Nathan, I'm loving this documentary, very educational. Newbie question - were the dash pads on these New Yorkers always colored in the trim that was selected or were they sometimes just black. Were there any rules to the color of the dash pad vinyl?
Keep up the good work!
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Posted 2017-11-03 2:39 AM (#551534 - in reply to #551533)
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I am no expert on it, but I do know that it depends mainly on the trim code. Both of my Windsors with a red or copper interior had black dash pads. But I believe that blue or green interiors on Windsors received blue or green dash pads. I say believe, because I didn't really pay much attention when I saw them in person. New Yorkers had a much wider array of different color schemes available. You can see that my black car has a brown pad, and there were multiple color schemes that my car could have came with. Some of those color schemes may have used a black dash pad. The dash pad color does usually match the package tray color & the lower door panel color though.
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Posted 2017-11-03 6:56 AM (#551535 - in reply to #551534)
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So nice dash pad and color
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Posted 2017-11-04 3:05 AM (#551579 - in reply to #551535)
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I agree Joakim, RD Autoline do great work, but I think it will look even better once it is on the car

I got ahead of myself a little bit. I was primering the A-pillars when I realized that I still needed to weld in these trim holes. They have elongated & rusted beyond the ability to hold any trim. It would really suck to figure this out after I got it painted.

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Posted 2017-11-04 1:23 PM (#551605 - in reply to #529650)
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I got the rotating assembly balanced. It required some mallory weight in 2 places. That stuff is expensive, I think the material alone was $180 + installation. The balance cost me about $400, but it is a lot better than the weights that were welded to it previously.



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Posted 2017-11-04 10:46 PM (#551653 - in reply to #529650)
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that sounds like double the price...
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Posted 2017-11-05 1:19 AM (#551657 - in reply to #551653)
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More than double. Without the extra weight, the balance job was supposed to cost around $150.

The driver's door had a big slab of bondo coming off so I dug through it and found this. Not fun. This would take me quite a while to remove all the bondo and then straighten it using a long metal straight edge as a guide. That's more work than I wanted to do on it so I decided to swap the door with a nice one from a 300D instead. Much easier, but everything must be swapped around on it and I am still working on that. I am going to test and get the electric window motor working before I put it back together. There was some thick bondo on the front end of the rocker too, but fortunately, no rust under there. I should be able to straighten that dent pretty easily.

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Posted 2017-11-06 10:10 AM (#551723 - in reply to #551579)
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Powerflite - 2017-11-04 8:05 AM

I agree Joakim, RD Autoline do great work, but I think it will look even better once it is on the car

I got ahead of myself a little bit. I was primering the A-pillars when I realized that I still needed to weld in these trim holes. They have elongated & rusted beyond the ability to hold any trim. It would really suck to figure this out after I got it painted. :wince:


Nathan, you will be better cutting a piece to replace the holes or brazing them up, as you will need to drill new holes for you're trim and not weld will be a pain to drill through?
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Posted 2017-11-06 8:01 PM (#551757 - in reply to #529650)
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Once you add brass, you can never go back to welding. I avoid it as much as possible. It won't be difficult to drill through because I clean the weld up on both sides afterward so it is just as thin as the original metal, but it will be 2 layers thick instead of just one layer so it should be stronger than before.
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Posted 2017-11-07 7:03 PM (#551816 - in reply to #529650)
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It was such a nice day today that I took the day off work and sprayed the firewall and other parts on the car. I had just spent quite a while aligning the new door when I decided to take it back off so I could paint the door jamb as well. But I couldn't go past the rocker because it has a couple of mysterious holes on the top of it that need to be welded up first. I will use those holes to straighten the front of the rocker some other day. I ended up with 1 run in it just above the blower motor. I may fix that later or I may just leave it. I really expected to have a run in the lower complicated structure that you have to paint through, but I painted that part without any trouble. The firewall took a little more than a pint of paint to do.



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Posted 2017-11-07 8:27 PM (#551818 - in reply to #529650)
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Posted 2017-11-07 8:27 PM (#551819 - in reply to #529650)
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Did someone straighten the rocker before or rust proof it? That's not right

 

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Posted 2017-11-07 8:42 PM (#551821 - in reply to #529650)
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That thought did cross my mind, although I thought of jewels instead. I seriously doubt it was put there for working on the rockers, there is still a pretty serious dent right under the front hole and the guy just filled it with a big blob of bondo.

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Posted 2017-11-09 12:43 PM (#551915 - in reply to #529650)
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Nathan,
Those holes were a common method for body shops to remove scrapes and crushed rocker panels from curb damage back in the day. I've seen the very same thing on a large number of cars.

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Posted 2017-11-09 4:13 PM (#551927 - in reply to #551915)
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Exactly. That's the only way you can push a dent back out of a closed-up rocker...
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Posted 2017-11-09 4:31 PM (#551931 - in reply to #529650)
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It makes sense except that there is a lot of damage to the rocker right under the hole that no one even attempted to fix. Instead they just filled it with a big blob of bondo. Maybe they changed their mind about fixing it after they cut the access holes. I haven't found any rocker damage under the rear hole, but I didn't look very hard yet.

I was happy to find out that the power window on the driver's side works great without having to do anything to it. I applied power to it this morning and was able to roll it up and down with ease. It's nice when things already work without rebuilding them. The vent window frame, on the other hand, is broken in 4 places and held together with little screws to keep it from falling apart so I am looking for a replacement for it.
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Posted 2017-11-10 8:02 AM (#551970 - in reply to #551931)
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Powerflite - 2017-11-09 4:31 PM

It makes sense except that there is a lot of damage to the rocker right under the hole that no one even attempted to fix. Instead they just filled it with a big blob of bondo. Maybe they changed their mind about fixing it after they cut the access holes. I haven't found any rocker damage under the rear hole, but I didn't look very hard yet.




With our lovely cars being so old, now, I think it might be possible to think that the holes were made after some years of use of the cars and the rockers fixed, but the rockers got banged up again in the next few decades and that is the damage you see now.

I know on at least of my previous cars I found traces of very old repair work, then traces of later repairs in the same areas, and the car still needed work in that same place. These things have survived 60 years, after all.
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Posted 2017-11-14 11:09 AM (#552222 - in reply to #529650)
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Good point David, we have no idea about the time-frame at this point.

Here is a little engine bling. I straightened, cleaned & painted the valve covers for the car. The air cleaner is next, but it needs quite a bit of straightening first. This car is getting the dual quad dealer option. I don't know if they would have painted the valve covers gold with a dealer installed dual quad, but I am going to regardless because it will match the air cleaners and look fabulous. Anyone have a single air cleaner they would like to sell and put to good use here?

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56D500boy
Posted 2017-11-14 4:11 PM (#552236 - in reply to #552222)
Subject: RE: '57 New Yorker Coupe



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So you are going for the 300C engine bay look?



And not this?



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Powerflite
Posted 2017-11-14 5:03 PM (#552238 - in reply to #529650)
Subject: Re: '57 New Yorker Coupe



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Basically yes. The dual quad was actually an option for the New Yorker so it won't be outside what could be expected to be found under the hood on it in 1957. But I will have a lot of light weight parts made from aluminum like the heads & intake that will make the car lighter than stock and it should create more power. I haven't yet decided if I will paint the aluminum parts silver or not. But I probably won't unless it begins to look too gaudy. A stock looking water cross-over is going to be the hard part. I am going to have to cobble that one together somehow.
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billy
Posted 2017-11-16 12:16 PM (#552403 - in reply to #529650)
Subject: Re: '57 New Yorker Coupe



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I am so jealous of all the progress you've made since you 1st posted....looking great...Mine is under the cover taking her winter nap...New york winters suck...
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Powerflite
Posted 2017-11-16 1:48 PM (#552410 - in reply to #529650)
Subject: RE: '57 New Yorker Coupe



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Thanks Billy. It doesn't seem like it is going very fast because it is much slower than I want it to be. But the winters here really are nice for this stuff. I tried painting the booster with a hue of red and green like what Eastwood offers. It worked, but I think my gold paint is a little too colorful. It doesn't look too bad though so I will leave it as is. I was surprised to find the heater box came out with a dark brown hue instead of gray like I usually see. It even looked that way with just water on it. Weird, but that's the way it is. I am thinking that I would prefer this to be in a matte finish though, not glossy like I have it. So I am going to find some matte clear and try that on it instead.



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ToMopar
Posted 2017-11-17 2:46 AM (#552497 - in reply to #529650)
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Nathan,

for the heater box I sand down all the old paint, and use a matte clear coat.



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Powerflite
Posted 2017-11-20 11:14 AM (#552762 - in reply to #529650)
Subject: RE: '57 New Yorker Coupe



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Thanks Tom. I ended up having to strip all the clear back off because the matte clear wasn't compatible with the gloss clear underneath. That was a mess because stripping new paint just makes a bunch of goo. But I got it done and it looks much better now. I'm working on mounting it & the brakes to the firewall now.

I also restored the hi-note horn. The driver for it was junk so I purchased a new one for it. But the bell & bracket on the new one wasn't the same design and went in the opposite direction from the old one. So I had to restore the old stuff and put everything on the new driver. Now it looks and works really well. Fortunately, the low-note still works well so I can just clean it up and use it. That one's next.

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