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mikes2nd
Posted 2021-10-03 3:14 PM (#615563 - in reply to #539179)
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i knew it wasn't the posi... my trans is jacked... ill try the spare I have that was supposed to be good. The one i pulled from the donor was parked for a "reason" I think i know why now The tranny fluid looks kind of cloudy, its brand new and shouldn't look like that... swapping a trans in is pretty easy though.



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Leadfoot1000
Posted 2021-10-13 1:25 PM (#615837 - in reply to #601894)
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mikes2nd - 2020-08-10 3:31 PM

its the 79-80 dodge Truck master its 1.125 bore

https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=309581&jsn=3

https://www.cardone.com/product/10-1860-master-cylinder




Hello Mike, I continue to have drum brake issues on my New Yorker and I’m going to switch to front disc and use a remote reservoir master due to hemi clearance. From the comments, it looks like you used the
RAYBESTOS MC39178 master and removed the reservoir. Can you please tell me the fittings you used in place of the reservoir to adapt the hoses for a remote reservoir?
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mikes2nd
Posted 2021-10-14 8:29 AM (#615875 - in reply to #539179)
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I got two aluminum dowels and drilled and tapped them out(youll need to clearance them a little on the bottom also)

I used a funky remote reservoir off a Mitsubishi or something.

I think your going to need a lathe and make brass like the one guy did before, i like his setup better.

I guess mine is simper? I cut some grooves around the aluminum to put seals
around the aluminum dowels since i didnt have the bottom lip



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Leadfoot1000
Posted 2021-10-15 4:10 PM (#615913 - in reply to #615875)
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Ok thanks for posting the photo, looks good. I’m working on some options now to replace mine.
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mikes2nd
Posted 2021-10-15 9:51 PM (#615919 - in reply to #539179)
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you need a lathe to make those plugs that match the plastic reservoir and he connected them to the original res...

I think i might make a bunch,
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Posted 2021-10-16 12:58 AM (#615924 - in reply to #615919)
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After a bit of searching I found some hose adapters, the brass ones shown in the photo, $40 for a pair of the cups and elbows. We’ll see how well they fit the master.
Make a bunch and sell them, they’re not easy to find.
I probably should continue the updates to my car on the thread for it. I’ll post there as I redo the brakes.
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mikes2nd
Posted 2021-10-30 6:18 AM (#616427 - in reply to #539179)
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I bought a small lathe... fixing it up a bit...

And the trans is out, i have to have the gear ring swapped over to my new torque converter...

Cleaning my backup trans... I was thinking about a 700R4 but ill slap this one in see how it does.









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mikes2nd
Posted 2021-11-15 10:46 PM (#616880 - in reply to #539179)
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cleaned and installed, painted all nice and silver

Swapped out the torque converter ring on the new torque converter... trans is reinstalled...





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mikes2nd
Posted 2021-12-08 6:49 PM (#617482 - in reply to #539179)
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redid parking brake...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oxYTvZjip4

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mikes2nd
Posted 2022-01-10 1:53 AM (#618288 - in reply to #539179)
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New trans works great so far... I guess i realize why the donor hemi car was parked now.

I did see the kick down rod had to be extended a bit to handle the 392 swap so I did that also and the exhaust is perfect finally.

Shifts into reverse fine

can come back off the jackstands as everything underneath is finally done and buttoned up... back to the interior.



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mikes2nd
Posted 2022-01-12 1:16 PM (#618347 - in reply to #539179)
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fired up and clearing out the moisture from sitting for a while...

I will relash the valves i guess but it sounds good. Start cleaning up around it and get it back on the ground. I will fine tune later(that is the carb settings out of the box).

I think im ditching the 392 emblem... Its kind of there so i dont have to tell people what it is but it looks pretty bad.

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di_ch_NY56
Posted 2022-01-15 11:45 AM (#618447 - in reply to #539179)
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Looks superb, sound good.

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mikes2nd
Posted 2022-01-27 1:36 AM (#618816 - in reply to #539179)
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just did some clips of trans info... was a pita but its done and working great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnMV1o4UPhQ
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Posted 2022-01-27 10:23 AM (#618825 - in reply to #618347)
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fired up and clearing out the moisture from sitting for a while...

I will relash the valves i guess but it sounds good. Start cleaning up around it and get it back on the ground. I will fine tune later(that is the carb settings out of the box).

I think im ditching the 392 emblem... Its kind of there so i dont have to tell people what it is but it looks pretty bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWxYlnGy8D4

Everyone assumes a hemi is a 392 anyway...
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mikes2nd
Posted 2022-01-27 1:36 PM (#618827 - in reply to #539179)
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nope lots of non 392s all over now..
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22mafeja
Posted 2022-02-19 5:02 PM (#619569 - in reply to #539179)
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I am restoring a 57 coronet now and noticed that you had found a 2nd vin on the frame somewhere...my body is soon lifted off so tell me where I have to look .



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mikes2nd
Posted 2022-02-19 7:50 PM (#619575 - in reply to #539179)
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supposed to be on top of frame at passenger foot area. You will have to carefully polish that area
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Posted 2022-02-19 11:17 PM (#619585 - in reply to #539179)
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So it is at the same spot as on my 58 Firedome...good to know...thanks.
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Posted 2022-02-20 11:50 AM (#619601 - in reply to #619585)
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reportedly it in a number of hidden places that the cops are supposed to know where.
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mikes2nd
Posted 2022-03-09 11:30 AM (#620126 - in reply to #539179)
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making these seats fit... Not a lot of room in the back seats of these coupes...

I think I can sit them down a bit and get it nice and comfy in the back.

I will re vinyl them later with turquoise.





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mikes2nd
Posted 2022-05-27 2:00 AM (#621759 - in reply to #539179)
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finally getting there... these are the parking/running lights... I want 4 brake lights.

License plate will be the reverse lights.

Finishing dash and wiring this weekend hopefully..

Front and rear lights are essentially done...

Then carpet and seats... Ill run black this year, will recover over the winter...







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mikes2nd
Posted 2022-06-06 1:28 AM (#621944 - in reply to #539179)
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Dash going in...





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Posted 2022-07-14 1:57 PM (#622877 - in reply to #539179)
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these dash lights are not very bright...

I even bought the ultrabright led's...



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57burb
Posted 2022-07-14 6:48 PM (#622882 - in reply to #622877)
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I guarantee you do not want dash lights that are "bright" in daytime while driving at night. Close up the garage and see if your dash lights are bright enough to see the gauges.
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mikes2nd
Posted 2022-07-16 2:29 AM (#622901 - in reply to #539179)
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the lower tail lights are WAY too bright...

got to swap those out...



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mikes2nd
Posted 2022-07-16 10:41 PM (#622917 - in reply to #539179)
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Okay the clock light is not working out...




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mikes2nd
Posted 2022-07-26 12:54 AM (#623196 - in reply to #539179)
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wiring of dash is done... hook up the steering column and put some kind of seat it in and test drive potentially...






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mikes2nd
Posted 2022-08-08 10:04 AM (#623447 - in reply to #539179)
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Am i the only one how has put a Chrysler power steering gear in a Dodge?

It bolts right in... BUT you must cut the column cover and shaft down and weld it.

I thought it was the same unit... its not.

I did change out the arm for the dodge and it fit also, the steering ratio is 3.5 vs 3.4 so that won't be a problem.

I guess I have the heavy duty power steering... I do need a measurement from the "dash to the bottom of the wheel where it meets the cover) if anyone can get me one from their Dodge.







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57burb
Posted 2022-08-09 2:58 PM (#623457 - in reply to #623447)
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The Chrysler has a 4" longer wheelbase, all forward of the doors, so I'm not surprised the steering column is different. And it's really just a bigger car... the frame is made from thicker steel, it uses heavier duty ball joints and steering parts, and there are likely several other key differences in the steering.

Why not just run the stock Dodge steering gear?
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mikes2nd
Posted 2022-08-10 2:14 AM (#623462 - in reply to #539179)
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1. I don't have the dodge setup
2. The chrysler is already hooked up and working

It's just a matter of getting it where it feels comfortable.

I think I will wait till i get the caddy seats setup and see how it goes. I am a little worried about the hump though, i should be fine as the caddy has the center hump also.
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Posted 2022-08-10 11:14 AM (#623470 - in reply to #539179)
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I bet you're cutting up a 300C column, aren't you.
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Posted 2022-08-10 4:36 PM (#623477 - in reply to #539179)
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no im cutting up a new yorker :P these are not rare parts... same as sedan parts a dime a dozen...

actually, i have a spare 300C column
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Posted 2022-08-11 6:22 PM (#623505 - in reply to #623470)
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Well... You will need to take it all apart to shorten the column and weld it. You don't want it to wobble, and you sure as !@#$ don't want the weld to break. Attaching two images of the column and gearbox for '57 Chrysler in case it helps.

As I mentioned earlier, the wheelbase is four inches longer on the Chrysler. You can use the angle of the column and the Pythagorean theorem to come up with an amount to shorten it. If the column angle is at 30* from horizontal (and I don't know what it is) then that means you'd shorten the shaft by 4.6188"

I can't help but think you'll be better off just finding a Dodge power steering box and column.



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mikes2nd
Posted 2022-08-11 10:37 PM (#623511 - in reply to #539179)
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nah actually the angle is the same, lines up perfect... bolts right on the frame. The coaxle is like having heavy duty steering.

the pitman arm was shorter by a very small margin.

I wouldn't just 'tack" weld it trust me the weld would be stronger than the original.

And since its two simple pieces to weld it wouldn't be a problem. Actually I am going to fit the wheel to like someone who is 6 feet to the seats.

I have the Plymouth to compare and the Chrysler.
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mikes2nd
Posted 2022-08-20 11:36 AM (#623661 - in reply to #539179)
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finishing window trim... got it all buffed...

I am putting 58 Custom royal roof trim on a 57 dodge which is a little funky

Anyone want to trade good 57 with good 58?



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mikes2nd
Posted 2022-09-07 11:28 PM (#624087 - in reply to #539179)
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Okay about to take the car for a ride around the block... I remember i was dumb thinking I would "just get it running"... and as I am anal retentive about the smallest details.. turned into a insane restoration with upgrades on everything.

I used another brake booster that doesn't leak and used a good "loose" chrysler power brake pedal arm... Just slapped it in... works!

Will release when you let off the trigger... this has been a long haul... finishing up trim. I will be fitting the regal lancer trim on the side this weekend...

I will probably save windows for the winter but should make a couple car shows.

https://youtu.be/NupdcNyTyUA
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Posted 2022-09-08 5:50 AM (#624094 - in reply to #539179)
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Looking good! I'm pretty sure this is the car I passed on because the ad only had 1 photo of the drivers side from what seemed like 100 ft away, and he never sent more pics that I asked for. I didn't want to drive to MO and deal with a guy that doesn't communicate well and then find out the car is worse than expected. Seeing your pics of it, I would have bought it at his asking price though, as I have a 4 door parts car. Looks like it's in better hands with you anyway, it would still be in my shop labeled as project #3 if I had bought it.
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Posted 2022-09-08 1:59 PM (#624101 - in reply to #539179)
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yeah it was a cop out of Missouri, and he was kind of a pita.. and it was worse than originally thought (like always).

This has been a SLOG...  The next cars will go much quicker... and I actually ordered parts for them as I ordered the parts for this.  My 58 Plymouth part stash is well stocked.

I also introduced my own issues though, and I am learning FWL restoration...  And I am also working on a house and other cars constantly. (honestly 5-10 real hours a week is all i have last two years).

But its going to hit the road finally i think...  Will probably need driveshaft balancing to drive it over 35.

Some things working with FWL cars take forever to get the right part or make it yourself.  I am making rear window trim clips because you can't buy them anymore...  s**t like that takes hours...

little sh*t will kill you on these cars... just having the riight bolt or screw....  I made a ton of work for myself with the whole new wiring harness and tons of upgrades... 

 



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Posted 2022-09-09 11:36 AM (#624119 - in reply to #624101)
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Glad to hear it running! Now go drive it around, it will really get you motivated to finish it up. Great job!
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Posted 2022-09-13 1:10 AM (#624228 - in reply to #539179)
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well its carpet and its kinda blue turquoise..

I may swap out later...




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mikes2nd
Posted 2022-10-04 1:37 AM (#624679 - in reply to #539179)
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its moving... didnt put the windows in it yet... that will be a nightmare for winter job...

Front seat looks like its going to work. I may need to cut some lowering channels later also, it s a tight entrance but I dont have the power seat hooked up yet.

I could have heated and cooled seats... the mechanism is there... cooling is just a couple fans.





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mikes2nd
Posted 2022-10-04 11:20 AM (#624681 - in reply to #539179)
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Uhg the bright turquoise vs the seafoam green... I will have to live with it though
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Posted 2022-10-04 11:32 AM (#624682 - in reply to #539179)
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I agree that the bright turquoise doesn't go well with it, but I do really like the outside colors you chose. It's great to get it all together and drive-able. Congratulations! Are you still planning to install the Regal Lancer trim onto it?
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Posted 2022-10-04 12:22 PM (#624684 - in reply to #624681)
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The turquoise is a bit odd with the exterior colors. But if you ever intend to change it, now would be the time. Once you get the interior buttoned up and all the seals and windlace in place, it will be a lot more work to pull it back apart. JMO

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Posted 2022-10-04 11:33 PM (#624699 - in reply to #539179)
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Eh I think i will go dark blue now... to match the carpet. I can adjust as it goes... but I will get the seats in dark blue.(I THINK)... This is just way too radical... I also noticed most interiors were two shades of some sort and often matched the exterior.

Everything else pulls off easily... just the screws... I just need to make sure the dark blue works this time... learned my lesson... be CAREFUL with turquoise. I kind a knew it when i put the green against the turquoise vent and was like wtf.

Pulling the dash is the hard part. I could spray the headliner in the car with vinyl paint. But it's just painted surfaces... I can shoot them one at a time... or simple spray the vinyl with vinyl paint.

I will put the regal trim on it over the winter.

I think this is one of the most radical but still not shocking... I think i need to get the dash and rear panel close to the body color... or black/dark blue
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Posted 2022-10-04 11:33 PM (#624700 - in reply to #539179)
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https://youtu.be/okhN4kgNAKU?t=120

I would have been fired if i was working for Chrysler... 

Just didnt plan it out... ack...  I do need to adjust some things anyway... The first go around with all the custom wiring and upgrades and just finding what bolt connects to where was the hard part.  I actually scratched some pieces... didnt get it perfect like i want as Im rushing to get it out to the last car show of the year in two weeks.

I will get the new vinyl now and fix the package tray, fortunately i didnt cover the seats in it...  I doubt i can find "dark" green... so maybe just go black and close to the seafoam green if i can find... Finding that seafoam green is going to be tough in vinyl or paint/carpet.

 

 

 



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Posted 2022-10-05 3:32 PM (#624713 - in reply to #539179)
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White headliner.(I cant find flexible paint to match, I will see if can convert mine over).. I will body paint to match trim pieces.... and add the dark green as needed to offset like factory... fark...

I will get the  roof done real quick, worry about the rest later.  FARK

 

 



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Posted 2022-10-08 7:46 PM (#624782 - in reply to #539179)
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Drove around the block successfully...

I'm really considering leaving the interior, but I think i want to take the headliner off and make a pattern for the Plymouth while its out.

I'll slowly get it color swapped out over the winter then paint the dash two tone next spring.
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Posted 2022-10-10 11:22 AM (#624819 - in reply to #539179)
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I ordered a headliner from https://www.headlinermart.com/. Of course, being a hardtop, you have to stretch and trim it to fit, and that's usually best done with the windshield and rear window removed. It is a nice looking headliner and fit the bows perfectly.

You video everything! Where is your first drive?!
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Posted 2022-10-11 12:32 AM (#624830 - in reply to #539179)
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Lol i didnt do that, i will get one... the seat wasnt even nailed down.
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