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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2018-11-26 11:28 PM (#574187 - in reply to #574186)
Subject: Re: Spring Special 58 DeSoto Firedome Sportsman



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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2018-11-27 12:37 AM (#574190 - in reply to #574187)
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DeSoto in the Winter.



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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2018-11-27 7:52 PM (#574242 - in reply to #574190)
Subject: Re: Spring Special 58 DeSoto Firedome Sportsman



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Since the frame is bad and needs repaired, I hung the body from the ceiling, so I can work on the frame easier.



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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2018-12-02 9:56 PM (#574540 - in reply to #574242)
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I almost found a part number on the leaf spring. Anyway, since it got up to 60 degrees today, I pushed the
frame outside so I could clean it up. I sprayed in each one of the holes. I got a lot of dirt, rocks and one rats
nest out of it.



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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2018-12-03 2:59 PM (#574573 - in reply to #574540)
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As I was cleaning out the frame, I jacked up the front of it so the rats nest would go out the big hole.



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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2018-12-23 6:46 PM (#575710 - in reply to #574573)
Subject: Re: Spring Special 58 DeSoto Firedome Sportsman



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Well Heck. I cut a section from a 59 Dodge frame, only to find out that it is a 1/2 inch smaller all
the way around. So I am going to need a section from a big Chrysler or DeSoto.

Nathan, Do you still have that frame?

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Powerflite
Posted 2018-12-23 8:52 PM (#575715 - in reply to #539736)
Subject: Re: Spring Special 58 DeSoto Firedome Sportsman



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I do still have it, but I cut it up with a plasma cutter to fit into a truck bed, and I cut it right at the downturn where your largest rust spot is. Sorry, I didn't know you were going to want it.

However, I don't recommend that you weld in a whole new section like that anyway. You should just patch it in smaller pieces. Welds are never as strong as the original metal, and you should remove as little of the original frame as possible. So I recommend that you use the Dodge section you have and cut it up to patch up the rusted part. But don't cut out an entire frame section because it won't be as strong that way and you will risk it breaking apart in the future. If you insist on doing an entire section, you will need to weld braces over the sides of the welds to make them stronger. But if you just patch in the rusted parts, cutting away only the parts that are bad, you should be able to keep it looking stock without worrying about it's structural integrity. Just make sure the welds penetrate well and are set hotter than usual to ensure that.
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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2018-12-23 11:12 PM (#575719 - in reply to #575715)
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No problem. Thanks anyway.

Yes. I was just going to cut away the rusty sections, like the bottom. And half way up the sides in some areas.
Removing only what is necessary. The problem is that the DeSoto frame is 5 inches across the bottom, but the
Dodge frame is only 4 1/2 inches. So, I would rather get a frame that is the correct size, so I don't have to
modify it to fit.

Does anybody have a big 1958 Chrysler or DeSoto frame section that they can send me?
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mikes2nd
Posted 2018-12-23 11:53 PM (#575722 - in reply to #539736)
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I would just weld the lower section.

if you weld it right it will be stronger

Get a nice angled edge on both pieces and give it some room, turn the welder up and let er rip

I spend 3 hours shoving a pressure sprayer hose up my old frame, finally got it spotless. Sprayed cavity wax inside the frame.

I guess a big chrysler is different than a dodge, smaller wheelbase calls for smaller frame.

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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2018-12-24 11:06 PM (#575772 - in reply to #575722)
Subject: Re: Spring Special 58 DeSoto Firedome Sportsman



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What the heck is cavity wax?
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mikes2nd
Posted 2018-12-25 12:55 AM (#575779 - in reply to #539736)
Subject: Re: Spring Special 58 DeSoto Firedome Sportsman


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search broke?

Just an example.

https://www.kbs-coatings.com/Cavity-Wax.html

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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2018-12-25 11:13 AM (#575793 - in reply to #575779)
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Sorry. I did not do a search. I did not know that was a real thing. I thought you were just making stuff up.
Cavity wax sounds something like a new KY jelly.

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58coupe
Posted 2018-12-25 1:12 PM (#575797 - in reply to #539736)
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I believe that LPS3 will do the same job and is cheaper. we used it a lot in aircraft to prevent corrosion.
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mikes2nd
Posted 2018-12-25 3:05 PM (#575800 - in reply to #539736)
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Actually there are 100's of vendors. I just linked a quick search.

I went with 1 gallon of "undercoating in a can". Its black and goes on pretty thick and doesnt run so much.

https://www.amazon.com/TP-Tools-Undercoating-Flexible-TP-3043/dp/B07...


I have used like 10 different ones. Eastwood is overpriced also, fluidfilm is too runny.

Get a cheak undercoating sprayer with a wand off amazon, 59$ for a gallon.

https://petroleumservicecompany.com/undercoating-in-a-can/



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Powerflite
Posted 2018-12-25 10:33 PM (#575815 - in reply to #539736)
Subject: Re: Spring Special 58 DeSoto Firedome Sportsman



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My current frame section goes from the large rust area forward, and backward. If that can help you, I will send it to you if you pay the shipping. I can cut it as small as you like to save shipping cost. But my current cut does go through that major rust area. But if you weld the two parts together on both sides before you use them to patch, it would be strong that way. Just an option if you can't find another frame to cut.
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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2018-12-27 10:21 PM (#575903 - in reply to #575815)
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Thanks Nathan, but I think that Wayne in Ohio is going to help me. I appreciate your help.
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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2019-03-09 10:50 AM (#579074 - in reply to #575903)
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Okay, it is time to get back to work on this. And I am following all you guys that have a 58 DeSoto in the works.
I hope everyone gets a lot done on their cars this year. Maybe we can have a 58 reunion in 2020.
When I got this car, I knew that I would be needing new door panels, so I ordered them back in Oct. 2017.
I finally got them this passed week. It will still be a long time before I get to the interior. I am working on the frame now.



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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2019-03-26 8:53 PM (#579956 - in reply to #579074)
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I took the grill/screen off of the front bumper. I found two different styles of clips that were holding it on.
Which one is correct? Maybe both?



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Viper Guy
Posted 2019-03-27 10:22 AM (#579970 - in reply to #539736)
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The flat ones are the only ones familiar to me.
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Posted 2019-03-27 11:40 AM (#579976 - in reply to #539736)
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I agree. Both of my '58 DeSoto grilles are held on with the flat metal versions. I don't have any of the spring clip types.
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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2019-03-29 12:25 AM (#580055 - in reply to #579976)
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That wire/spring type clip is so perfectly made, if it is not original to the 58 model, maybe it is from
an earlier or later model. ?
Also, does anyone else have the rubber protection strips on the bottom of their grille, like this one?



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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2019-03-29 10:53 PM (#580105 - in reply to #580055)
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Not sure why you didn't just re-use those original door panels .....

Nice to see someone else understand and work with SMS, rather than just bellyache
about them. They do awesome work. You just gotta put that wheel in motion when the
car is in teardown, so they'll be ready way before you need them.
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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2019-04-02 2:17 PM (#580299 - in reply to #580105)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2019-03-29 10:53 PM

Not sure why you didn't just re-use those original door panels .....

Nice to see someone else understand and work with SMS, rather than just bellyache
about them. They do awesome work. You just gotta put that wheel in motion when the
car is in teardown, so they'll be ready way before you need them.



The only thing that I would like to bellyache about is the way they lie to you in their emails.
Don't tell me that they are in the final stage, and should be ready next month when you know it is
going to be another 10 months before they are done. Just tell me it will be 10 months. I'm a
big boy, I can take it. They got me all excited after 6 months telling me that they were in the final stage.
I'm sure they got of my emails.
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mikes2nd
Posted 2019-04-03 1:11 AM (#580322 - in reply to #539736)
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does the squeaky wheel get the grease?

If you hadn't emailed it might have been another two years? I know this stuff is all hand labor and a total pita...

I swear im going to start making door panels... need the electro welder though and it probably give you cancer

 

I will probably just make mine like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYMZCg-uuOc

 

 



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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2019-09-08 8:48 PM (#587277 - in reply to #580322)
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I cut out the rusty part of the frame.
I got the rest of the rats nest out of it.
Then I fitted a good piece of frame, (from a 57 Chrysler), to it.



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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2019-09-08 9:01 PM (#587278 - in reply to #587277)
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Also, (with a little help), I found the engine number that is stamped on the frame.



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Powerflite
Posted 2019-09-08 11:22 PM (#587281 - in reply to #539736)
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Perfect. That's how I would have done it too. Just use a lot of power to ensure you get good penetration. If you are concerned with strength in certain areas, you can plug weld another plate across the weld on the inside of the frame so it won't be visible when done.
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