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mikes2nd
Posted 2017-10-16 5:00 PM (#550400 - in reply to #539736)
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im sold on Rust Bullet over Por15, I also top coat my rust bullet.

Ill let Bob explain

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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-10-16 5:17 PM (#550402 - in reply to #550395)
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58DeSoDodge59 - 2017-10-16 3:56 PM

I finished up the welding on the rear window frame, and then painted it with POR15.


do you like that stuff? did they improve it? around 25 years ago i found out the hard way it only works on rusted surfaces. on bare metal without rust (sanded and degreased) you can pull it off like a skin when dry. so when you install the rear window you will easily damage the surface and make way for rust. i would have used a regular primer aplied with some heat to bake it on.



I painted the bottom, frame and floors of my 59 Dodge with POR15. I have had no problems.
But I used their Degreaser and Metal Ready when I did it.
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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-10-16 5:31 PM (#550404 - in reply to #550400)
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mikes2nd - 2017-10-16 5:00 PM

im sold on Rust Bullet over Por15, I also top coat my rust bullet.

Ill let Bob explain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I07ra5_c1sM




Attaboy Bob.

Why was the POR15 not top coated with POR15 Top coat?

I will stick with POR15. Those test are always rigged anyway.



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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-10-16 9:44 PM (#550424 - in reply to #550404)
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mikes2nd
Posted 2017-10-16 10:16 PM (#550425 - in reply to #550404)
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58DeSoDodge59 - 2017-10-16 5:31 PM
mikes2nd - 2017-10-16 5:00 PM im sold on Rust Bullet over Por15, I also top coat my rust bullet. Ill let Bob explain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I07ra5_c1sM
Attaboy Bob. Why was the POR15 not top coated with POR15 Top coat? I will stick with POR15. Those test are always rigged anyway.

 

this was a long time ago, dont think por15 had a top coat but the instruction say you should top coat, these were the same spec tests.  Are you saying Rust Bullet cheated and didnt use the standardized test they stated they did?

I have used both and Rust Bullet is the better product. It goes on with alot stronger adhesion and it has a thicker consistency.  Por 15 flows a bit better but if you must do alot of scuffing roughing of the surface.

It has a smoother single coat but I always top coat.

 

 

 

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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-10-17 3:52 PM (#550488 - in reply to #550425)
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58DeSoDodge59 - 2017-10-16 5:31 PM
mikes2nd - 2017-10-16 5:00 PM im sold on Rust Bullet over Por15, I also top coat my rust bullet. Ill let Bob explain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I07ra5_c1sM
Attaboy Bob. Why was the POR15 not top coated with POR15 Top coat? I will stick with POR15. Those test are always rigged anyway.

 

this was a long time ago, dont think por15 had a top coat but the instruction say you should top coat, these were the same spec tests.  Are you saying Rust Bullet cheated and didnt use the standardized test they stated they did?

I have used both and Rust Bullet is the better product. It goes on with alot stronger adhesion and it has a thicker consistency.  Por 15 flows a bit better but if you must do alot of scuffing roughing of the surface.

It has a smoother single coat but I always top coat.

 

 

 




I'm saying that I don't trust anyone's testing. Let me buy the product and try it. If it works, I will stick with it.
If it doesn't, you will never hear from me again.
I painted my 59 Dodge back in 2001. I have not had a problem. No peeling, no rust bubbles, nothing coming apart.
Like you said, that test was done along time ago. POR15, like other companies, has made improvements and some
better products. Until I see a problem, I will stick with POR15.

Boy, I sound like a commercial.
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Powerflite
Posted 2017-10-17 4:08 PM (#550490 - in reply to #550424)
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I really like that Would make a good bumper sticker.

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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-10-18 5:52 PM (#550565 - in reply to #550490)
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Location: Wild Wonderful		Someone from Australia is selling those stickers on ebay. You can change the word DeSoto to whatever.

I was playing with some art works.



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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-10-20 11:26 PM (#550730 - in reply to #550565)
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Location: Wild Wonderful		Solex on your new DeSoto



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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-10-29 10:46 AM (#551269 - in reply to #550730)
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Location: Wild Wonderful		Those dam rats got into the passenger side door frame.
But why did DeSoto put rubber seals inside the frame?



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mikes2nd
Posted 2017-10-29 4:06 PM (#551281 - in reply to #539736)
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that's seam sealant. they went nuts with the stuff in areas. unfortunately I looks like "pumice" and seems to retain water and cause more rust.

You can usually just pull out any seam sealant as there was always rust in the area since it never dried... horrible material and idea. Gm stuff from was not like this.


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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-10-30 9:24 AM (#551325 - in reply to #551281)
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Location: Wild Wonderful		That doesn't feel like sealant. That feels more like foam rubber. But your right, it does hold moisture. (Like a sponge).
Needless to say, I will be removing this stuff.
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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-10-30 10:42 AM (#551327 - in reply to #551325)
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Location: Wild Wonderful		I took a piece of sandpaper to most, of each side of the car. Mostly to get the red paint off,
but also to see the dents and dings. The bottom part of the passenger side revealed a scrape
from the front of the door to the back wheel. The drivers side is full of dents on the upper
part. My guess is that these dents were caused by things falling on it in the garage/barn.



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mikes2nd
Posted 2017-10-30 12:53 PM (#551330 - in reply to #551325)
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58DeSoDodge59 - 2017-10-30 9:24 AM That doesn't feel like sealant. That feels more like foam rubber. But your right, it does hold moisture. (Like a sponge). Needless to say, I will be removing this stuff.

 

actually the water runs through there, i think they route it down there from the upper window trim.

i think thats why they seam seal this area. i would cut it open a bit, clean out what i can and pour rust bullet down there.

 

im curious to see more inside there

 

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mikes2nd
Posted 2017-11-04 1:16 AM (#551576 - in reply to #539736)
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this is what I mean by SERIOUS design flaw in Chryslers "Seam sealant" in 1957... This was blobbed into the side of my drivers footwell... Seriously dude? just laying on top.

I mean rust was like "HECK YEAH my perfect home"... I'm never drying out!



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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-11-13 11:18 PM (#552202 - in reply to #551327)
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Location: Wild Wonderful		Well, I got my new Title in my name, and I got the information back from FCA. This car
was sold new by Allen's Auto Service, 24 Oak Street, Eaton, Colorado. (Not by that place
in New York). It was built 6 days after the first day of Spring, on Wednesday, March 26th 1958.
It was not shipped until April 4th 1958. So it started life in CO. I don't know what happened
from '58 to '62, but after that, we know it spent 4 years going to Brigham Young University, in
Utah, by the stickers on the car. One says 1963, one says 1965, and the other 1966. The
last inspection sticker is from the state of New York, in 1966. The former owner said the
Torsion Bar was broken when he found it. You can tell by the way it is sitting on his trailer, that
this is true. So I guess that is why they parked it in that barn from '66 to 2016.
50 years in a barn.



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Posted 2017-11-14 7:37 AM (#552214 - in reply to #552202)
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Location: North Australia		Excellent detective work. Cool to see you pulling together the facts and the timelines, Mucho Interesting!. More history to come I expect?


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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-11-16 6:24 PM (#552432 - in reply to #552214)
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Location: Wild Wonderful		Is there anybody here that is with the National DeSoto Club?
I know that they have a list of DeSoto dealers on their website, but they do not show the
dealer number of each. I noticed that my IBM card shows a scratched out dealer, and
then a new one written in. I was wondering if they knew the original dealer that this car
was first intended to go to? Dealer number 36755. ?
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Posted 2017-11-16 7:40 PM (#552449 - in reply to #552432)
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Check with Roadkillontheweb, he had the list on his website. I think that he compiled it originally.
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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-12-08 12:26 AM (#553895 - in reply to #552449)
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Location: Wild Wonderful		Sanded the sides. Found a lot of dents in this side.



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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-12-08 12:34 AM (#553896 - in reply to #553895)
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Location: Wild Wonderful		What should be the plan of attack for this rust? I would like to get some paint on the wheel well. ?



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Powerflite
Posted 2017-12-08 1:07 AM (#553898 - in reply to #539736)
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Location: So. Cal		I would cut it OUTSIDE the bend of the wheel lip so that you are replacing very little metal. It is harder to clean up the weld that way because it is close to that bend, but it is MUCH less likely to warp on you there. You really don't want to have to deal with excess heat issues at this point in the panel. That's a really big panel and that would be a really big pain to try and fix.

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1960fury
Posted 2017-12-08 9:39 AM (#553907 - in reply to #553898)
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Powerflite - 2017-12-08 1:07 AM

I would cut it OUTSIDE the bend of the wheel lip so that you are replacing very little metal.


PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE follow that advise, you will be happy you did. by all means cut it OUTSIDE of the bend that gives stability. why replacing good OE sheet metal anyway? because the patch panel is shaped like this? i've seen it tousand times an i will never get it.
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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-12-08 10:37 AM (#553911 - in reply to #553907)
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Location: Wild Wonderful		So maybe three little patches?
The dog leg in the front, then two little pieces?



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Powerflite
Posted 2017-12-08 11:20 AM (#553914 - in reply to #539736)
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Location: So. Cal		Breaking it up into sections like that can be beneficial to keep things under more control, but you can probably do it as one piece too if you feel confident with it. It would be nice to treat that last spot separately, but you need to really probe the metal between because it could be rotted too. If not, I would do it as a separate small patch. Also, Why do you want to go beyond the bend in the front? The metal doesn't really rust beyond the bend in that area. Stay on the outside of the bend. Down low, you have to go into the more flat area, but you want to minimize your exposure there as much as possible.



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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-12-08 2:56 PM (#553921 - in reply to #553914)
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Location: Wild Wonderful		That does make more sense, and that would be easier to do. And I think that I would like to
treat that last spot separately. The metal, in between there, is good.
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Posted 2017-12-08 3:33 PM (#553922 - in reply to #553911)
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58DeSoDodge59 - 2017-12-08 10:37 AM

So maybe three little patches?
The dog leg in the front, then two little pieces?


if the spotweldet section where the inner and outer panels join are still good, yes, do it that way. i would. i always only replace the bad sections and try to keep the car as original as possible. needles to say, even if the risk of warping is greatly reduced that way, take yourself time and let it cool off in between.
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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-12-09 1:34 PM (#553982 - in reply to #553922)
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Powerflite
Posted 2017-12-09 2:08 PM (#553986 - in reply to #539736)
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Location: So. Cal		Yep, you need to fix the metal underneath first. But the good part is that you don't have to worry about making it perfectly straight under there. Also, you will want to drill out the spot welds along the bottom to replace that lower lip too, but you probably already know that.
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Posted 2017-12-17 1:09 AM (#554458 - in reply to #553986)
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Location: Wild Wonderful		For some reason, I like jumping around.
Before the wheel well, I was working on the passenger door sill. I am replacing one piece at
a time. I replaced the sill, now I am setting up to replace the inner rocker.



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mikes2nd
Posted 2017-12-17 10:06 AM (#554472 - in reply to #539736)
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did you get some schott rockers yet?
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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-12-17 2:35 PM (#554488 - in reply to #554472)
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Posted 2017-12-17 2:56 PM (#554493 - in reply to #550565)
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58DeSoDodge59 - 2017-10-18 5:52 PM
Someone from Australia is selling those stickers on ebay. You can change the word DeSoto to whatever.


Like this?

From this



to this?

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Posted 2017-12-18 11:43 AM (#554544 - in reply to #554458)
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Posted 2017-12-18 7:41 PM (#554585 - in reply to #554544)
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Posted 2017-12-24 7:50 PM (#554992 - in reply to #554544)
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Location: Wild Wonderful		First, the door sill. Second, the inner rocker. And now, the front seat brace.


Merry Christmas everybody.






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Posted 2017-12-27 10:46 PM (#555097 - in reply to #554992)
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Location: Wild Wonderful		The next piece of the inner rocker.



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Posted 2018-01-01 11:17 AM (#555363 - in reply to #555097)
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Location: Wild Wonderful		I cut out for the floor sheet metal, at the beginning, then I marked and drilled the holes on the new panel,
for the floor braces. Now I put down that sheet metal and bolted the new braces to the bottom. This gave
me the exact position. I am screwing everything in place. Later I will take it all apart and paint it. Then, in
order to spot weld it, I will drill the spots. Welcome to 2018.



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Posted 2018-01-01 11:19 AM (#555364 - in reply to #555363)
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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2018-01-01 7:20 PM (#555398 - in reply to #555364)
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Location: Wild Wonderful		Okay, I took it all apart.



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Posted 2018-01-11 10:14 PM (#556080 - in reply to #555398)
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Location: Wild Wonderful		Hey guys, look what I found. This circle what made into the original paint, while it was still
fairly wet. What do you guys think?



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Posted 2018-01-13 12:25 PM (#556155 - in reply to #556080)
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Location: Wild Wonderful		There are circles all over this car. The inspector must have been Orville Oliver.



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Posted 2018-01-13 1:54 PM (#556159 - in reply to #539736)
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Thanks for posting up all these photos of your restoration. I am going be doing almost the exact same repair to a '58 Desoto and it is very helpful to see how you did it, the fitment, etc. As for the circles, no idea......
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Posted 2018-01-14 2:34 PM (#556220 - in reply to #539736)
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you got your floor braces from Sweden? ebay? if you contact directly you can get a better deal?

not cheap but that's the stuff you need. I think the guy was playing with his "marks" that day, most of the time they are yellow/white or black "X"'s ive found.

Not sure what it mean but maybe the part/area was "done" in a certain area. doors had marks also probably after the hardware was in and tested, so a "loaded" door had an X on it.
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Posted 2018-01-14 9:40 PM (#556254 - in reply to #556159)
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FINS! - 2018-01-13 1:54 PM

Thanks for posting up all these photos of your restoration. I am going be doing almost the exact same repair to a '58 Desoto and it is very helpful to see how you did it, the fitment, etc. As for the circles, no idea......



Garrett, Congratulations on finding a 58 DeSoto. Is that the Spring Special that was in
an out building in Texas? Is it the one that kids walked on and made big dents in the
hood and top? I am looking forward to seeing the restoration of it. What are your
plans for it?
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Posted 2018-01-14 9:47 PM (#556255 - in reply to #556220)
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mikes2nd - 2018-01-14 2:34 PM

you got your floor braces from Sweden? ebay? if you contact directly you can get a better deal?

not cheap but that's the stuff you need. I think the guy was playing with his "marks" that day, most of the time they are yellow/white or black "X"'s ive found.

Not sure what it mean but maybe the part/area was "done" in a certain area. doors had marks also probably after the hardware was in and tested, so a "loaded" door had an X on it.



Mike, I got the floor braces from FIN- land.

The circle... I think you're right, I think that one of the painters just decided to put his mark on the car.
What better place to put it than under the tail light housing.
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Posted 2018-01-15 10:40 PM (#556362 - in reply to #556155)
Subject: Re: Spring Special 58 DeSoto Firedome Sportsman



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Location: Wild Wonderful		I was working on the passenger side of the car, and I looked over and saw this 57 on the drivers door.
Right beside it, it looks like a forward look emblem pointing up. I think it is just glue residue from
the duct tape they used when they taped the plastic to the inside of the door. But it looks neat anyway.



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Posted 2018-01-18 10:57 PM (#556547 - in reply to #556362)
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Location: Wild Wonderful		Okay, from 1958 to 1966, I found that the car had some body damage on the lower half,
so they touched up only the lower half of the paint. I wonder if that body damage caused
a crack in the windshield, because the windshield has been replaced also. At some point the
car was then painted that ugly red color. That red paint had some scratches in it, like it was
driven through some sticker bushes. When I removed the side moldings, they were already
bent, from someone removing them previously. Anyway, I would say that the red paint was
on there for at least three years before it was put in that barn. So I am thinking that the
parents of the college student bought the car, from a used car dealer, that painted the car red.




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Posted 2018-01-18 11:38 PM (#556549 - in reply to #539736)
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the guy on facebook is selling great looking floors
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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2018-01-20 7:18 PM (#556628 - in reply to #556549)
Subject: Re: Spring Special 58 DeSoto Firedome Sportsman



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mikes2nd - 2018-01-18 11:38 PM

the guy on facebook is selling great looking floors



Yes. I have noticed. Does anybody have any feedback on them?
I don't need any for this car, but my other DeSoto will need some.
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