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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-08-03 9:24 AM (#545474 - in reply to #545429)
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58DeSoDodge59 - 2017-08-02 11:24 PM

I gave all the wood away. I have a pellet stove in the garage. Still burning the scrap.

This car was in such good, original, condition that I was only going to do the minimum to it.
But it stinks so bad with rat pee. It is in the carpet, seats, glove box, headliner and even in
the firewall insulation. I have to replace it all.



The rats also made a nest in the frame. I have a big rust hole in the drivers side, rear section.
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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-08-03 9:33 AM (#545476 - in reply to #545474)
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Whoever painted this car Bronze, did a real detailed job. They painted the door frames and inside the trunk.



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moparsteve
Posted 2017-08-03 10:01 AM (#545478 - in reply to #539736)
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your a desoto restorer sir? seems a lot of guys here

obsessed with desotos! dont forget the 1958 saleathon!

also... when cutting down trees , look for bees! and

beetles in spring special trim! (ah s**t - beetles! )
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Posted 2017-08-03 2:03 PM (#545496 - in reply to #545478)
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moparsteve - 2017-08-03 10:01 AM

your a desoto restorer sir? seems a lot of guys here

obsessed with desotos! dont forget the 1958 saleathon!

also... when cutting down trees , look for bees! and

beetles in spring special trim! (ah s**t - beetles! )




After restoring my 59 Dodge, I wanted something even more rare, so I went with the 58 DeSoto.
If you have a 58 DeSoto, then you know about the Beyer Motors Sell-a-thon.

I picked up an old tire the other day, and gave it a toss. A swarm of bees came out of it. I got away clean, but I
must have just missed grabbing a hold of that nest.





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moparsteve
Posted 2017-08-03 3:33 PM (#545504 - in reply to #539736)
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those guys would have made anyone a sweet deal on


a 58 firefliite or even an adventurer conv in the middle

of a recession... the eisehower recesion - which ended

in 1959. and they would have taken special orders -

hi - i noticed the ad on the new regal lancer - id like

one - but i want a convertible!
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57burb
Posted 2017-08-04 12:40 AM (#545539 - in reply to #545504)
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Are you looking for all the gas fill parts (door, filler tube, seals, etc)? I have some from a '57 Chrysler that are probably the same. I have a gas tank and straps, too. But I'm not sure I can mail a gas tank! :D

I like the color on your '58, what a cool car...
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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-08-04 3:32 PM (#545578 - in reply to #545539)
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57burb - 2017-08-04 12:40 AM

Are you looking for all the gas fill parts (door, filler tube, seals, etc)? I have some from a '57 Chrysler that are probably the same. I have a gas tank and straps, too. But I'm not sure I can mail a gas tank! :D

I like the color on your '58, what a cool car...



No Sir. I have all parts of this car. Thank you.
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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-08-05 6:43 PM (#545646 - in reply to #545578)
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What I did to my Forward Look today. I noticed that the back window was not seated all the way, so
I removed the glass and cleaned out the track. This is what I was left with.



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56D500boy
Posted 2017-08-05 8:06 PM (#545648 - in reply to #545646)
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Oops.



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56D500boy
Posted 2017-08-05 8:21 PM (#545649 - in reply to #545648)
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In fact you might want to place an order with me for this T-shirt:





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Posted 2017-08-05 10:06 PM (#545657 - in reply to #539736)
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Not too bad. Better than my New Yorker. I'm sure you can patch that up in no time. Is that an original power antenna? If so, can you show a picture of the switch for it on the dash?
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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-08-05 10:33 PM (#545658 - in reply to #545649)
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56D500boy - 2017-08-05 8:21 PM

In fact you might want to place an order with me for this T-shirt:




LOL I think everyone that restores cars is gonna need one of those shirts.

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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-08-05 10:53 PM (#545660 - in reply to #545657)
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Powerflite - 2017-08-05 10:06 PM

Not too bad. Better than my New Yorker. I'm sure you can patch that up in no time. Is that an original power antenna? If so, can you show a picture of the switch for it on the dash?



No that's not too bad. I think I can handle it.

Sorry, That is not a power antenna.



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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-08-08 3:12 PM (#545858 - in reply to #545660)
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First of all, Thanks again Doc for saving those trunk lid bars a long time ago. They actually helped 2 cars.
I have one left over.
Does anyone know if these are the correct clips to hold those bars on the trunk? I noticed that all the
bars were at different levels. I figure that driving vibration makes them fall down, and possibly fall off.
How does one keep them straight?



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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-08-16 9:21 PM (#546371 - in reply to #545858)
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This windshield seal must be a common problem, I have seen it a few times.



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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-08-16 9:25 PM (#546372 - in reply to #546371)
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Just for fun, I sanded the red off part of the top, just to get an idea of what it would look like with a white top.



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57burb
Posted 2017-08-18 10:46 AM (#546467 - in reply to #545858)
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58DeSoDodge59 - 2017-08-08 2:12 PM

First of all, Thanks again Doc for saving those trunk lid bars a long time ago. They actually helped 2 cars.
I have one left over.
Does anyone know if these are the correct clips to hold those bars on the trunk? I noticed that all the
bars were at different levels. I figure that driving vibration makes them fall down, and possibly fall off.
How does one keep them straight?

The factory and dealer only cared about them looking good until the paperwork was signed.

I suppose the clips were plenty strong to hold them in place when new. Over time, they will corrode and weaken, and then if the bars are removed that weakens the clips even more.

Maybe it makes sense to add a hole, near the top of where you want each bar to be, and add a clip there. That way even if all the clips are not perfectly tight, each bar will maintain its position vertically.
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Posted 2017-08-22 11:36 PM (#546791 - in reply to #546467)
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I removed the side trim. Lots of dirt and rust under there.

BTW, If anyone wanted to know if they painted the same body color under the sweep, here's your proof.

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Posted 2017-08-27 3:19 PM (#547144 - in reply to #546791)
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Ruby (on the left) or Heather (on the right) ?



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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-08-30 11:22 PM (#547399 - in reply to #547144)
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I wanted to post a picture of each side, before I put my hands on it. It's going to get worse before it gets better.



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Lancer Mike
Posted 2017-08-31 1:20 PM (#547436 - in reply to #547399)
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Nice, Kurt! It is fun to see all the activity!
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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-09-01 11:55 PM (#547561 - in reply to #547436)
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Before and after. Does anyone want to see my bad welding job?



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Lancer Mike
Posted 2017-09-02 9:12 AM (#547566 - in reply to #547561)
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I do! I do! Hey, at least your trunk won't flood when you wash the car!
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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-09-03 9:07 PM (#547692 - in reply to #547566)
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If you enjoyed what was in the glove box, then you should really enjoy what I
found in the head liner.



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moparsteve
Posted 2017-09-03 10:40 PM (#547700 - in reply to #539736)
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so your going to restore it ? i suggest media blasting to find any

hidden rust / body damage ... and what color was it ?
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Posted 2017-09-04 6:44 PM (#547745 - in reply to #539736)
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I like the metallic green!!! Same happened here in northern NY with ash. it reminds me of dutch elm and the long boring bug that killed all the beautiful elm trees.
By the way, nice 58!!!!
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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-09-12 9:01 AM (#548204 - in reply to #547745)
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Metallic green!!!??? Not for this car.
This is my patriotic car. It looks red, white and blue now, but it will be purpley blue, with a white top.
Heather will be pretty again.



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Posted 2017-09-17 8:09 PM (#548597 - in reply to #548204)
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Ladies and gentlemen, this is what you get when you have an aluminum panel over painted metal
for almost 60 years.



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56D500boy
Posted 2017-09-17 10:47 PM (#548600 - in reply to #548597)
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58DeSoDodge59 - 2017-09-17 8:09 PM Ladies and gentlemen, this is what you get when you have an aluminum panel over painted metal
for almost 60 years.


On the upside, you won't have to make the body/paint perfect, just rust proof, in those areas.
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Posted 2017-09-18 8:24 AM (#548613 - in reply to #548600)
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56D500boy - 2017-09-17 10:47 PM

58DeSoDodge59 - 2017-09-17 8:09 PM Ladies and gentlemen, this is what you get when you have an aluminum panel over painted metal
for almost 60 years.


On the upside, you won't have to make the body/paint perfect, just rust proof, in those areas.



Yes, and I bet a layer of body filler, for the pits, will help a little bit also.
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Posted 2017-09-18 8:26 AM (#548614 - in reply to #548597)
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Removing the rear bumper. I was able to unscrew two bolts, but I had to cut off the other two.



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Posted 2017-09-18 10:09 AM (#548623 - in reply to #539736)
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Looks like you're moving right along. Nice.
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Posted 2017-09-21 12:03 PM (#548867 - in reply to #548623)
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Powerflite - 2017-09-18 10:09 AM

Looks like you're moving right along. Nice.



As they say, "Slow, but sure".

Check out this picture that I took the other day. It shows me that lighting is everything.
It shows a big contrast towards the back, but almost blends in at the flash. My personal
feeling is that they used too much metallic in the paint. When you put it in the sun, it almost
looks silver. I would rather see a richer, darker blue, like what we see at the back of this
picture and what we see in the original Ad.



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Posted 2017-09-23 12:37 PM (#549016 - in reply to #548867)
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Almost 60 years of dirt.



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Posted 2017-09-23 12:53 PM (#549017 - in reply to #549016)
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58DeSoDodge59 - 2017-09-23 12:37 PM
Almost 60 years of dirt.


That photo shows the small OE trim clips used to hold the side trim on.



I am guessing that the universal(ish) trim clips Auveco has in their Section 23 (starting on page 722 of 799) will work for you (in Canada these are sold by GENO):

https://www.auveco.com/download/catalog/auveco_catalog.pdf





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Posted 2017-09-23 3:39 PM (#549022 - in reply to #549017)
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Those universal type clips are used on the front fender and also the last one at the top of the
quarter panel.



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Posted 2017-09-23 8:43 PM (#549029 - in reply to #549022)
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I am glad that I put the other car on hold so I could restore this one. This one allows me to see the
complete panels and all the little bends. That knowledge will help me when I weld together the
other Spring Special.




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Posted 2017-09-25 8:41 AM (#549113 - in reply to #549029)
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Better



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Posted 2017-09-25 2:16 PM (#549131 - in reply to #549113)
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Welcome.



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Lancer Mike
Posted 2017-09-26 1:11 PM (#549199 - in reply to #549131)
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Nice work Kurt! Gosh, I love the look of the anodized trim on the spring specials, but what havoc it creates some 60 years later! Hey, NOBODY was building cars back then that they expected to last 60 years.
When you put it back though, the next 60 years will be a lot different as far as use and cleaning go.
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Posted 2017-09-26 2:16 PM (#549210 - in reply to #539736)
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DeSoto does better with spring special. Plymouth, Dodge, DeSoto & Windsors had spring special deals in '58. Did the senior level Chryslers have anything different?
If I were you, I would protect the backside of your trim by painting it, maybe with clear. That will help it from oxidizing and thinning out. It might even help the dirt to flow out of that gap too.
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Posted 2017-09-26 4:02 PM (#549216 - in reply to #549210)
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Yes! Saratogas at the least had spring trim too, similar to the Windsor and De Soto trunk and rocker package.
The 300s and Imperials might have been above such shenanigans!

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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-09-27 6:27 PM (#549309 - in reply to #549199)
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Lancer Mike - 2017-09-26 1:11 PM

Nice work Kurt! Gosh, I love the look of the anodized trim on the spring specials, but what havoc it creates some 60 years later! Hey, NOBODY was building cars back then that they expected to last 60 years.
When you put it back though, the next 60 years will be a lot different as far as use and cleaning go.



60 years is a long time. I'm not even there yet.
One thing that I am sure they did not do back then was to wax the car before putting on this trim.
Doing something as minor as that will go a long way also.
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Posted 2017-09-27 6:56 PM (#549311 - in reply to #549210)
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Powerflite - 2017-09-26 2:16 PM

DeSoto does better with spring special. Plymouth, Dodge, DeSoto & Windsors had spring special deals in '58. Did the senior level Chryslers have anything different?
If I were you, I would protect the backside of your trim by painting it, maybe with clear. That will help it from oxidizing and thinning out. It might even help the dirt to flow out of that gap too.



Actually, I was planning to put clear Lacquer on both sides of the trim.
Has anyone ever cleaned up aluminum trim like this before? It is a little corroded. I was planning on
taking a Brillo pad to it first, and then fine block sandpaper to the top of it. Any better ideas?



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Posted 2017-09-27 9:19 PM (#549315 - in reply to #549311)
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58DeSoDodge59 - 2017-09-27 6:56 PM

Actually, I was planning to put clear Lacquer on both sides of the trim.
Has anyone ever cleaned up aluminum trim like this before? It is a little corroded. I was planning on
taking a Brillo pad to it first, and then fine block sandpaper to the top of it. Any better ideas?


That would depend on what the original finish was (probably anodized (flat(ish) silver)). (??)

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Posted 2017-09-27 10:48 PM (#549319 - in reply to #549315)
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Posted 2017-09-28 1:20 PM (#549357 - in reply to #549319)
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Kurt, you might try a scotch-brite pad as opposed to brillo - a little more gentle and very effective! There's also lots of aluminum polishing compounds out there for a brilliant finish.
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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-10-11 9:02 PM (#550182 - in reply to #549357)
Subject: Re: Spring Special 58 DeSoto Firedome Sportsman



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Dave and Mike , I see what you guys are saying. If I use the Scotch Brite pads, it should clean
up the Anodized-Aluminum and still keep the Anodized finish. If I use the Brillo pads, it will take
that finish off.
So if I lose the finish, I could polish the tops of the ribs. That would give me a shinier finish.

So the question is; Do I keep the Anodized finish, or do I polish it out and have a shinier finish?

Also, since I have two Spring Specials, Do I sand and polish the worst set, and try to save the better set?
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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-10-16 3:56 PM (#550394 - in reply to #550182)
Subject: Re: Spring Special 58 DeSoto Firedome Sportsman



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I finished up the welding on the rear window frame, and then painted it with POR15.

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1960fury
Posted 2017-10-16 4:10 PM (#550395 - in reply to #550394)
Subject: Re: Spring Special 58 DeSoto Firedome Sportsman



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58DeSoDodge59 - 2017-10-16 3:56 PM

I finished up the welding on the rear window frame, and then painted it with POR15.


do you like that stuff? did they improve it? around 25 years ago i found out the hard way it only works on rusted surfaces. on bare metal without rust (sanded and degreased) you can pull it off like a skin when dry. so when you install the rear window you will easily damage the surface and make way for rust. i would have used a regular primer aplied with some heat to bake it on.
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