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58DeSoDodge59 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | 58DeSoDodge59 - 2017-08-02 11:24 PM I gave all the wood away. I have a pellet stove in the garage. Still burning the scrap. This car was in such good, original, condition that I was only going to do the minimum to it. But it stinks so bad with rat pee. It is in the carpet, seats, glove box, headliner and even in the firewall insulation. I have to replace it all. The rats also made a nest in the frame. I have a big rust hole in the drivers side, rear section. | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | Whoever painted this car Bronze, did a real detailed job. They painted the door frames and inside the trunk. (58fins.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 58fins.jpg (200KB - 371 downloads) | ||
moparsteve |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1155 Location: somerville mass | your a desoto restorer sir? seems a lot of guys here obsessed with desotos! dont forget the 1958 saleathon! also... when cutting down trees , look for bees! and beetles in spring special trim! (ah s**t - beetles! ) | ||
58DeSoDodge59 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | moparsteve - 2017-08-03 10:01 AM your a desoto restorer sir? seems a lot of guys here obsessed with desotos! dont forget the 1958 saleathon! also... when cutting down trees , look for bees! and beetles in spring special trim! (ah s**t - beetles! ) After restoring my 59 Dodge, I wanted something even more rare, so I went with the 58 DeSoto. If you have a 58 DeSoto, then you know about the Beyer Motors Sell-a-thon. I picked up an old tire the other day, and gave it a toss. A swarm of bees came out of it. I got away clean, but I must have just missed grabbing a hold of that nest. (sell-a-thon.jpg) (sell-a-thon2.jpg) Attachments ---------------- sell-a-thon.jpg (31KB - 362 downloads) sell-a-thon2.jpg (105KB - 394 downloads) | ||
moparsteve |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1155 Location: somerville mass | those guys would have made anyone a sweet deal on a 58 firefliite or even an adventurer conv in the middle of a recession... the eisehower recesion - which ended in 1959. and they would have taken special orders - hi - i noticed the ad on the new regal lancer - id like one - but i want a convertible! | ||
57burb |
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Expert Posts: 3966 Location: DFW, TX | Are you looking for all the gas fill parts (door, filler tube, seals, etc)? I have some from a '57 Chrysler that are probably the same. I have a gas tank and straps, too. But I'm not sure I can mail a gas tank! :D I like the color on your '58, what a cool car... | ||
58DeSoDodge59 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | 57burb - 2017-08-04 12:40 AM Are you looking for all the gas fill parts (door, filler tube, seals, etc)? I have some from a '57 Chrysler that are probably the same. I have a gas tank and straps, too. But I'm not sure I can mail a gas tank! :D I like the color on your '58, what a cool car... No Sir. I have all parts of this car. Thank you. | ||
58DeSoDodge59 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | What I did to my Forward Look today. I noticed that the back window was not seated all the way, so I removed the glass and cleaned out the track. This is what I was left with. (withglass1.jpg) (withoutglass1.jpg) (withglass2.jpg) (withoutglass2.jpg) Attachments ---------------- withglass1.jpg (235KB - 382 downloads) withoutglass1.jpg (242KB - 367 downloads) withglass2.jpg (239KB - 354 downloads) withoutglass2.jpg (246KB - 343 downloads) | ||
56D500boy |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9855 Location: Lower Mainland BC | Oops. Edited by 56D500boy 2017-08-05 8:08 PM | ||
56D500boy |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9855 Location: Lower Mainland BC | In fact you might want to place an order with me for this T-shirt: (CarRestorationDoNOTOpenThatCanOfWormsTShirt.png) Attachments ---------------- CarRestorationDoNOTOpenThatCanOfWormsTShirt.png (132KB - 370 downloads) | ||
Powerflite |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9604 Location: So. Cal | Not too bad. Better than my New Yorker. I'm sure you can patch that up in no time. Is that an original power antenna? If so, can you show a picture of the switch for it on the dash? | ||
58DeSoDodge59 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | 56D500boy - 2017-08-05 8:21 PM In fact you might want to place an order with me for this T-shirt: LOL I think everyone that restores cars is gonna need one of those shirts. | ||
58DeSoDodge59 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | Powerflite - 2017-08-05 10:06 PM Not too bad. Better than my New Yorker. I'm sure you can patch that up in no time. Is that an original power antenna? If so, can you show a picture of the switch for it on the dash? No that's not too bad. I think I can handle it. Sorry, That is not a power antenna. (singleantenna.jpg) Attachments ---------------- singleantenna.jpg (183KB - 334 downloads) | ||
58DeSoDodge59 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | First of all, Thanks again Doc for saving those trunk lid bars a long time ago. They actually helped 2 cars. I have one left over. Does anyone know if these are the correct clips to hold those bars on the trunk? I noticed that all the bars were at different levels. I figure that driving vibration makes them fall down, and possibly fall off. How does one keep them straight? (trunkbarclips.jpg) (trunkbars.jpg) Attachments ---------------- trunkbarclips.jpg (237KB - 360 downloads) trunkbars.jpg (229KB - 356 downloads) | ||
58DeSoDodge59 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | This windshield seal must be a common problem, I have seen it a few times. (seal.jpg) Attachments ---------------- seal.jpg (232KB - 361 downloads) | ||
58DeSoDodge59 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | Just for fun, I sanded the red off part of the top, just to get an idea of what it would look like with a white top. (whitetop.jpg) Attachments ---------------- whitetop.jpg (228KB - 362 downloads) | ||
57burb |
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Expert Posts: 3966 Location: DFW, TX | 58DeSoDodge59 - 2017-08-08 2:12 PM First of all, Thanks again Doc for saving those trunk lid bars a long time ago. They actually helped 2 cars. I have one left over. Does anyone know if these are the correct clips to hold those bars on the trunk? I noticed that all the bars were at different levels. I figure that driving vibration makes them fall down, and possibly fall off. How does one keep them straight? The factory and dealer only cared about them looking good until the paperwork was signed. I suppose the clips were plenty strong to hold them in place when new. Over time, they will corrode and weaken, and then if the bars are removed that weakens the clips even more. Maybe it makes sense to add a hole, near the top of where you want each bar to be, and add a clip there. That way even if all the clips are not perfectly tight, each bar will maintain its position vertically. | ||
58DeSoDodge59 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | I removed the side trim. Lots of dirt and rust under there. BTW, If anyone wanted to know if they painted the same body color under the sweep, here's your proof. Edited by 58DeSoDodge59 2017-08-22 11:44 PM (dirtbehind.jpg) (rustbehind.jpg) Attachments ---------------- dirtbehind.jpg (244KB - 362 downloads) rustbehind.jpg (249KB - 344 downloads) | ||
58DeSoDodge59 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | Ruby (on the left) or Heather (on the right) ? (choices.jpg) Attachments ---------------- choices.jpg (242KB - 363 downloads) | ||
58DeSoDodge59 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | I wanted to post a picture of each side, before I put my hands on it. It's going to get worse before it gets better. (sidedrivers (2).jpg) (sidepass (4).jpg) Attachments ---------------- sidedrivers (2).jpg (222KB - 346 downloads) sidepass (4).jpg (220KB - 349 downloads) | ||
Lancer Mike |
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Location: The Mile High City | Nice, Kurt! It is fun to see all the activity! | ||
58DeSoDodge59 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | Before and after. Does anyone want to see my bad welding job? (withoutglass1.jpg) (weld.jpg) Attachments ---------------- withoutglass1.jpg (242KB - 334 downloads) weld.jpg (242KB - 329 downloads) | ||
Lancer Mike |
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Location: The Mile High City | I do! I do! Hey, at least your trunk won't flood when you wash the car! | ||
58DeSoDodge59 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | If you enjoyed what was in the glove box, then you should really enjoy what I found in the head liner. (20170903_163222 (2).jpg) Attachments ---------------- 20170903_163222 (2).jpg (246KB - 333 downloads) | ||
moparsteve |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1155 Location: somerville mass | so your going to restore it ? i suggest media blasting to find any hidden rust / body damage ... and what color was it ? | ||
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Extreme Veteran Posts: 537 Location: Upstate NY | I like the metallic green!!! Same happened here in northern NY with ash. it reminds me of dutch elm and the long boring bug that killed all the beautiful elm trees. By the way, nice 58!!!! | ||
58DeSoDodge59 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | Metallic green!!!??? Not for this car. This is my patriotic car. It looks red, white and blue now, but it will be purpley blue, with a white top. Heather will be pretty again. (patrioticcar.jpg) Attachments ---------------- patrioticcar.jpg (249KB - 330 downloads) | ||
58DeSoDodge59 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | Ladies and gentlemen, this is what you get when you have an aluminum panel over painted metal for almost 60 years. (20170917_123239 (2).jpg) (20170917_120001 (2).jpg) Attachments ---------------- 20170917_123239 (2).jpg (241KB - 332 downloads) 20170917_120001 (2).jpg (211KB - 334 downloads) | ||
56D500boy |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9855 Location: Lower Mainland BC | 58DeSoDodge59 - 2017-09-17 8:09 PM Ladies and gentlemen, this is what you get when you have an aluminum panel over painted metal for almost 60 years. On the upside, you won't have to make the body/paint perfect, just rust proof, in those areas. | ||
58DeSoDodge59 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | 56D500boy - 2017-09-17 10:47 PM 58DeSoDodge59 - 2017-09-17 8:09 PM Ladies and gentlemen, this is what you get when you have an aluminum panel over painted metal for almost 60 years. On the upside, you won't have to make the body/paint perfect, just rust proof, in those areas. Yes, and I bet a layer of body filler, for the pits, will help a little bit also. | ||
58DeSoDodge59 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | Removing the rear bumper. I was able to unscrew two bolts, but I had to cut off the other two. (20170917_115443 (2).jpg) Attachments ---------------- 20170917_115443 (2).jpg (219KB - 333 downloads) | ||
Powerflite |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9604 Location: So. Cal | Looks like you're moving right along. Nice. | ||
58DeSoDodge59 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | Powerflite - 2017-09-18 10:09 AM Looks like you're moving right along. Nice. As they say, "Slow, but sure". Check out this picture that I took the other day. It shows me that lighting is everything. It shows a big contrast towards the back, but almost blends in at the flash. My personal feeling is that they used too much metallic in the paint. When you put it in the sun, it almost looks silver. I would rather see a richer, darker blue, like what we see at the back of this picture and what we see in the original Ad. (colorsnlight.jpg) Attachments ---------------- colorsnlight.jpg (247KB - 339 downloads) | ||
58DeSoDodge59 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | Almost 60 years of dirt. (60yrsdirt.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 60yrsdirt.jpg (232KB - 317 downloads) | ||
56D500boy |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9855 Location: Lower Mainland BC | 58DeSoDodge59 - 2017-09-23 12:37 PM Almost 60 years of dirt. That photo shows the small OE trim clips used to hold the side trim on. I am guessing that the universal(ish) trim clips Auveco has in their Section 23 (starting on page 722 of 799) will work for you (in Canada these are sold by GENO): https://www.auveco.com/download/catalog/auveco_catalog.pdf Edited by 56D500boy 2017-09-23 12:54 PM (AuvecoSec23_1.jpg) (AuvecoSec23_2.jpg) Attachments ---------------- AuvecoSec23_1.jpg (73KB - 310 downloads) AuvecoSec23_2.jpg (76KB - 331 downloads) | ||
58DeSoDodge59 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | Those universal type clips are used on the front fender and also the last one at the top of the quarter panel. (uclip.jpg) Attachments ---------------- uclip.jpg (147KB - 328 downloads) | ||
58DeSoDodge59 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | I am glad that I put the other car on hold so I could restore this one. This one allows me to see the complete panels and all the little bends. That knowledge will help me when I weld together the other Spring Special. (undertail.jpg) (lefttail.jpg) (notail.jpg) Attachments ---------------- undertail.jpg (242KB - 337 downloads) lefttail.jpg (244KB - 311 downloads) notail.jpg (248KB - 326 downloads) | ||
58DeSoDodge59 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | Better (desotodoesbetter.jpg) Attachments ---------------- desotodoesbetter.jpg (123KB - 327 downloads) | ||
58DeSoDodge59 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | Welcome. (welcome.jpg) Attachments ---------------- welcome.jpg (161KB - 328 downloads) | ||
Lancer Mike |
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Location: The Mile High City | Nice work Kurt! Gosh, I love the look of the anodized trim on the spring specials, but what havoc it creates some 60 years later! Hey, NOBODY was building cars back then that they expected to last 60 years. When you put it back though, the next 60 years will be a lot different as far as use and cleaning go. | ||
Powerflite |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9604 Location: So. Cal | DeSoto does better with spring special. Plymouth, Dodge, DeSoto & Windsors had spring special deals in '58. Did the senior level Chryslers have anything different? If I were you, I would protect the backside of your trim by painting it, maybe with clear. That will help it from oxidizing and thinning out. It might even help the dirt to flow out of that gap too. | ||
Lancer Mike |
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Location: The Mile High City | Yes! Saratogas at the least had spring trim too, similar to the Windsor and De Soto trunk and rocker package. The 300s and Imperials might have been above such shenanigans! Edited by Lancer Mike 2017-09-26 4:04 PM | ||
58DeSoDodge59 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | Lancer Mike - 2017-09-26 1:11 PM Nice work Kurt! Gosh, I love the look of the anodized trim on the spring specials, but what havoc it creates some 60 years later! Hey, NOBODY was building cars back then that they expected to last 60 years. When you put it back though, the next 60 years will be a lot different as far as use and cleaning go. 60 years is a long time. I'm not even there yet. One thing that I am sure they did not do back then was to wax the car before putting on this trim. Doing something as minor as that will go a long way also. | ||
58DeSoDodge59 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | Powerflite - 2017-09-26 2:16 PM DeSoto does better with spring special. Plymouth, Dodge, DeSoto & Windsors had spring special deals in '58. Did the senior level Chryslers have anything different? If I were you, I would protect the backside of your trim by painting it, maybe with clear. That will help it from oxidizing and thinning out. It might even help the dirt to flow out of that gap too. Actually, I was planning to put clear Lacquer on both sides of the trim. Has anyone ever cleaned up aluminum trim like this before? It is a little corroded. I was planning on taking a Brillo pad to it first, and then fine block sandpaper to the top of it. Any better ideas? (sssidetrim.jpg) Attachments ---------------- sssidetrim.jpg (235KB - 324 downloads) | ||
56D500boy |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9855 Location: Lower Mainland BC | 58DeSoDodge59 - 2017-09-27 6:56 PM Actually, I was planning to put clear Lacquer on both sides of the trim. Has anyone ever cleaned up aluminum trim like this before? It is a little corroded. I was planning on taking a Brillo pad to it first, and then fine block sandpaper to the top of it. Any better ideas? That would depend on what the original finish was (probably anodized (flat(ish) silver)). (??) | ||
58DeSoDodge59 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | insert (Spring Trim Insert - Colors and Fabrics Book.jpg) Attachments ---------------- Spring Trim Insert - Colors and Fabrics Book.jpg (78KB - 318 downloads) | ||
Lancer Mike |
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Location: The Mile High City | Kurt, you might try a scotch-brite pad as opposed to brillo - a little more gentle and very effective! There's also lots of aluminum polishing compounds out there for a brilliant finish. | ||
58DeSoDodge59 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | Dave and Mike , I see what you guys are saying. If I use the Scotch Brite pads, it should clean up the Anodized-Aluminum and still keep the Anodized finish. If I use the Brillo pads, it will take that finish off. So if I lose the finish, I could polish the tops of the ribs. That would give me a shinier finish. So the question is; Do I keep the Anodized finish, or do I polish it out and have a shinier finish? Also, since I have two Spring Specials, Do I sand and polish the worst set, and try to save the better set? | ||
58DeSoDodge59 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1112 Location: Wild Wonderful | I finished up the welding on the rear window frame, and then painted it with POR15. Edited by 58DeSoDodge59 2017-10-16 3:58 PM (POR15window.jpg) Attachments ---------------- POR15window.jpg (239KB - 310 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7385 Location: northern germany | 58DeSoDodge59 - 2017-10-16 3:56 PM I finished up the welding on the rear window frame, and then painted it with POR15. do you like that stuff? did they improve it? around 25 years ago i found out the hard way it only works on rusted surfaces. on bare metal without rust (sanded and degreased) you can pull it off like a skin when dry. so when you install the rear window you will easily damage the surface and make way for rust. i would have used a regular primer aplied with some heat to bake it on. | ||
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