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FIN ME
Posted 2017-05-28 9:43 AM (#541038)
Subject: Does anyone have a favourite corrosion cleaner?



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My car's engine has a little bit of that "fluffy" white corrosion (not rust...yet) just starting to develop on a few parts.

Some folks have told me to try removing it with WD-40, or mag wheel cleaner, or marine engine cleaner, or Scotch Brite pads, or Mr. Clean Magic Eraser pads.

Has anyone here had luck with any of these, or have their own tried-and-true remedies?

(I'm having no luck finding a heated/dry place to store my car during the winter. I know that finding a less damp-ish facility would help prevent this problem...grrr. )



Thanks!
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wizard
Posted 2017-05-28 9:51 AM (#541039 - in reply to #541038)
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island		Yes, thats a curse of damp Environment storage. If you have electrical power in the storage, a dehumidifier will help a lot.
If not, use your old socks and fill them up with road salt. Tie them in a string and put a bucket under - the salt will "eat" the moist and save your car. You can also use the sock trick inside the car.

You can remove light surface rust with citric acid, but be sure to wash off with water and baking soda.
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FIN ME
Posted 2017-05-29 8:10 AM (#541105 - in reply to #541038)
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The salt bag is a grand idea, wizard!

I've seen folks around here using something called "Damp Rid" in their muggy basements, but the salt bag sounds cheaper/easier.



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wizard
Posted 2017-05-29 8:34 AM (#541107 - in reply to #541038)
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imopar380
Posted 2017-05-29 12:21 PM (#541123 - in reply to #541038)
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2017-05-29 1:41 PM (#541134 - in reply to #541123)
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Location: Parts Unknown		I know, ... crazy idea. But if your car is that important to you
(and I say this to all viewers, not just Rosy) then why doesn't it
have a proper, dry storage "box" to keep it in ??? This is a matter
of priorities and responsible car caretaking. Budget the funds,
build a proper garage. Too dammed easy.

Now, to take this a couple steps further ....

Why do we live where we do ? Is there an overiding reason to
live in a place that is wet and humid and destructive to our cars ?
Why not move to where the environment is better for our pleasure/
hobby investments ?

If moving is genuinely not an option, then do the research and
build a shop that meets the needs of area conditions. As an example,
all my floors are underlaid with vapor barrier to stop humidity from
wicking through the concrete. Edge seams of slabs at foundation
are insulated with 2" hard foam. Drains were installed before ANY
work was done to take all rain water from roof off site. Grading of
entire property was done to slope away from shop and carry water
away from building. Heat coils were placed on lower 4' of roof to
melt snow and ice and carry away in aforementioned drains to avoid
roof leaks from ice dams, etc.

Much can be done to build a really nice shop, IF a little research
and forethought is put into the design. If a person cares enough
about their car/s to put all that time and money into restoration,
why would they not do the same with a proper "box" to keep it/
them in ?
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mstrug
Posted 2017-05-29 6:01 PM (#541149 - in reply to #541038)
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Location: Newark, Texas (Fort Worth)		Or if you are poor you can get a car capsule: http://www.autoanything.com/car-covers/77A7407A4151640.aspx?k_click...
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56D500boy
Posted 2017-05-29 7:31 PM (#541155 - in reply to #541149)
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mstrug - 2017-05-29 6:01 PM
Or if you are poor you can get a car capsule:


And by "poor" you mean, not as insanely rich as Doctor Desoto must be or would have the original poster be so

a) he can move house to a drier state
b) find a property with enough room for, oh say, a five car garage
c) build the new garage with a climate controlled clean rooms to store your FL cars

Yeah right.

Maybe a car cover and some rock salt in a mesh bag.

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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2017-05-29 9:32 PM (#541161 - in reply to #541155)
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Location: Parts Unknown		I am not wealthy by any means. But you sure are a douchebag.

You could have responded in any number of ways, but this is the
second time you've made it a personal attack on me in ways you
know nothing about me.

This is a matter of priorities and doing your research. If a person
can afford to restore a Forward Look car, they either have the tech-
-nical knowledge to do the work themselves, or the money to protect
all the money they just spent on the #@! restoration. A LOT of
people in this hobby are full of excuses, and then talk smack about
those who kick ass and take names. Building a decent shop/garage
is not that tough or expensive.
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56D500boy
Posted 2017-05-29 9:38 PM (#541163 - in reply to #541161)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2017-05-29 9:32 PM
I am not wealthy by any means. But you sure are a douchebag..


LOL LOL LOL

And you are not an Asshat.

Some people who like FL cars are on a budget and find that building a decent shop/garage would mean a decent shop/garage but no FL car, i.e. not enough $$$ for both.

Maybe you can start a contracting company to build decent garages/shops for say $10K and sell your services?

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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2017-05-29 9:48 PM (#541164 - in reply to #541163)
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Location: Parts Unknown		Well, you could look at it this way ....

Rosy just spent a boat load of dough restoring her Sweep. That money
spent can all go to crap through corrosion, OR a proper box could be planned
into the bigger game to protect that "investment". It's all priorities. It
occurred to me that western Washington sucked ass for a guy whose interests
were primarily outdoors. Not the brightest bulb, it took me 30 years to realize
no one was holding a gun to my head to live there and I left.

People move all the time. Why live in a place that is disagreeable to your
interests ? Maybe a job or family ties a person to a particular area ? It is a
personal call, for sure. But if moving isn't an option, then maybe building a
nice shop is ? If you do the research and work yourself, it isn't that hard or
expensive. The alternative is a for-sure deterioration of the car.

Got any more smart guy comments ?
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56D500boy
Posted 2017-05-29 10:43 PM (#541169 - in reply to #541164)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2017-05-29 9:48 PM
Got any more smart guy comments ?


Not that you would understand.

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FIN ME
Posted 2017-05-30 8:07 AM (#541188 - in reply to #541038)
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I did have the best storage facility in town before, during, and after I restored my car. It was owned by the same folks who helped me with the restoration. It was perfect: huge, spotless, rodent-free, air-conditioned/heated, dehumidified, with air-exchangers, a sprinkler system, and a security system alarms/camera. It was part shop, part storage facility, and part museum. Best of all, the staff were all major car guys who were there at least eight hours a day, usually longer. And these guys knew my car inside and out, and they were rather protective of it. It was not at all cheap, but worth every penny for the peace of mind alone.

Unfortunately, the owners received an offer they couldn't refuse, and sold the facility; I couldn't blame them. It came as a surprise to all, even to their staff, so it would seem. So my car is now being stored in a fairly nice facility (for a car storage facility) albeit a tad damp in the winter. Every other local facility I've tirelessly researched has this same problem of dampness in the winter.

I am on a never-ending search for another "perfect" storage area, but they are difficult to come by in a city full of classic cars, restored or not. No one yet has had the space necessary to store my big, old car. I have friends with heated garages, but these garages are also used by their families, and therefore feature all of the risks of damage that come with that scenario. Our garage is not heated; it has no electricity. It is 20'x10', and the city won't allow us to build on (I checked). We could sell our small in-city house (and its tiny lot), but that would be an unwise move at our age, and with the current real estate market in our area. We bought our house many years before I bought my old car, other wise I would have bought a house with a suitable garage for car storage in mind.

I've checked to see if there is a suitable storage property for sale in my area...nope. Plus checking out the prices reinforced just why it does cost so much to store one's car at a proper storage facility.

I currently have a few leads on local, and not so local, car museums that may offer storage if they come by the room, or the desire, to display my car to the public. We shall see.

It's a constant challenge in my area for classic car owners to find a good storage facility, so competition among car owners is also a factor as any facility fills up quickly. A facility owner can store two small classic cars in the same space that my car requires. So even despite the fact that I'm more than willing to spend big dollars on a great storage facility, I have not yet come across one that entirely fits the bill.

I guess we could all move to the desert, where dampness is not an issue.

Wish me luck!







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firedome
Posted 2017-05-30 12:27 PM (#541199 - in reply to #541038)
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Location: NY & VT		Not sure why some newer members feel the need to initiate gratuitous pissing matches...guess the new young stray intruders always need to challenge the perceived Alpha males of the pack.

Rosy - is there not a way to run electric to your garage? Cost would be fairly minimal, and you could then run de-humdification and/or dry heat to protect your baby, and while insulation might need upgrading, that needn't be all that costly either.

Oddly here in upstate central NY, which has a cold damp climate, my '58 Olds has been in an unheated garage for 4 years now with no signs whatever of any more corrosion or deterioration (it's an original unrestored car from a dry climate, with almost no rust) than it had when I got it. I wonder if you have some leaks or excessive moisture intrusion due to construction, landscaping, bad gutters/roof or? Our garage is 50 yrs old and has some floor cracks but does seem quite dry inside and has never been de-humidified. Heat can actually accelerate corrosion sometimes as chemical reactions speed up as a result of higher temperatures unless the air is also de-humidified.

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56D500boy
Posted 2017-05-30 2:18 PM (#541204 - in reply to #541199)
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firedome - 2017-05-30 12:27 PM
Not sure why some newer members feel the need to initiate gratuitous pissing matches...guess the new young stray intruders always need to challenge the perceived Alpha males of the pack.


I am guessing you are talking to me. I am neither young nor stray or an "intruder" (unless I missed the secret swearing of allegiance on the way in). BUT I am equipped with a good "BS" detector that flags much of what the self-styled "Alpha" male tries to expound onto the non-believers, i.e. those who don't subscribe to the teachings of "the Doc" with unquestioning mindlessness. He apparently lives in a perfect world and expects everyone to be able to set themselves up in his image, in this case, with heated, dehumidified garages.

I will try to resist the bait he spews out. That is unless my "BS" meter goes off scale again and I have to react.

Carry on "Disciples of the Doc"



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Powerflite
Posted 2017-05-30 3:30 PM (#541209 - in reply to #541204)
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Location: So. Cal		I agree that Doc's comment was a little insensitive. People often have a multitude of other factors that prevent them from making their situation ideal. You can make major life changes to suit your hobby better, but there are always tradeoffs that may or may not make your life better as a result. But, I think Doc's point was that you should at least consider all the options available to you because a major move, although a major pain in the butt, can sometimes provide a major benefit. Unfortunately, my employment is pushing me in the opposite direction. I narrowly avoided having to move to the Bay area, where I can't imagine the ability to have the space that I currently have, as limited as it already is.
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mstrug
Posted 2017-05-30 5:34 PM (#541213 - in reply to #541038)
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2017-05-31 1:48 AM (#541237 - in reply to #541213)
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Location: Parts Unknown		Well, ... let's review ...

For 15+ years I have offered the forum 40 years of experience with a few specific
Forward Look cars, a lot of looking back stories of the days before these cars had
any following and were largely despised, and occasionally offer up semi-related
thoughts on how a person might improve their situation by review of personal
priorities, building ideas (it's what I've done professionally for 40 years), etc.

Dave, on the other hand, has been on the forum now for a year, and offers up comparative
design thoughts on Volvos. Oh yeah, and repeated personal attacks on other long
time members.

A real asset to the community.

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56D500boy
Posted 2017-05-31 8:46 AM (#541248 - in reply to #541237)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2017-05-31 1:48 AM Dave, on the other hand, has been on the forum now for a year, and offers up comparative
design thoughts on Volvos. Oh yeah, and repeated personal attacks on other long
time members. A real asset to the community.


LOL. No, not "other long term members". Just you. Your 15 years plus on the forum obviously gives you lots cred (to those who have been around over that period) but you have also obviously lost your tolerance for any opinions and situations other than your own. That is my issue with you. Your way or no way.

As for being an asset to the community, I am trying by posting informative/DIY posts on the very unsupported 55-56 Dodges, 56 Dodge in particular. Seems like these cars are orphans and don't solicit much love.

The Volvo thing started off as a Forward Look comparison but people took it sideways, which I hated.

My first contribution to the forum:

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=64340&...

My most recent contribution to the forum:

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=65727&...

I will attempt to not criticize you in the future if you attempt to allow for the possibility that other people have opinions and situations that don't meet yours.

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wizard
Posted 2017-05-31 9:31 AM (#541250 - in reply to #541038)
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Please contiue your verbal wrestling in the sewer instead.
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2017-05-31 11:31 PM (#541312 - in reply to #541250)
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ruchaven
Posted 2017-06-03 7:31 AM (#541445 - in reply to #541038)
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Location: York County, PA		To respond to the original question on cleaners for rust, it depends if the part is painted, plated, or bare metal. Don't forget the vinyl, too. You can never prevent rust, only slow down the rusting process. All cars need to be regularly cleaned and keep air circulated in them, just like your own house. Any garage that is dark with no air circulation invites mildew to set up. The best mildew and cobweb killer I know of is bleach and salt rinsed with clean hot water, then dried by a hot hair dryer.

A friend of mine is using an former turkey barn (its been cleaned) to store cars. The sides are covered with clear greenhouse plastic. Warm and relatively dry with no electric and clean dirt floor. Cars do not make contact with the ground, are on stands, and lightly covered.

I am planning to build a greenhouse in the future to store my rides, not in an enclosed garage.

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