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Kmrumedy
Posted 2017-06-01 11:36 PM (#541383)
Subject: New Member ( Intro & Questions ) - 1956 Dodge Regent 2 Door Hardtop



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Hi Guys -

Glad I found this site. First post so just wanted to say hi and introduce myself. I also would like to ask a few questions as I get my car ready for inspection. I have tried the search function here and maybe I am doing something wrong but I am having a hard time pulling up the specific info I need. So my apologies in advance for some pretty newbie questions.

Firstly the car - I guess it is a little bit of an unusual bird for the US folks. It is a 1956 Dodge Regent 2 Door Hardtop. Outside and underneath in excellent condition. The nice condition of the underside was a pleasant surprise for this area. As you can see in the picture the engine bay needs cleaning up. Only engine choice for 56 Canadian Hardtops was the flat 6. I assume this is a 251. Single brake cylinders do make me nervous. I am curious to know what others are doing to improve the braking system. (?)

I just bought it from another province so I have to get it ready to pass provincial inspection here in Quebec. They are pretty strict in Quebec. I could only find 3 other pictures of a 2 door HT Regent still existing on the web and very little info specifically on 56 Regents. The car is currently in transit and I get it on June 3 2017. I will update the thread with detailed pictures when it arrives.

I am totally new to the 1955-56 Mopar forward look cars and looking to learn everything I can about them. I have ordered a Dodge 1956 shop manual but it won't get here for another week or so. I want to work on the engine bay this weekend so any help you can provide would be great.

First job is I just want to clean up engine bay and refresh all fluids so I have a starting point. Then do a mechanical inspection and fixes to the car. I am going to keep the car stock this summer and simply enjoy it and learn the car.

I did some research on gas and oil for flat 6's and got conflicting info.

Feel kind of silly asking these questions but better safe than sorry......

Gas - what octane are you using? It's a stock low compression engine so I thought 87 would be fine but others were saying put in premium. I am in Canada so premium goes as high as 94 here. Do you add a lead additive to the gas?

Oil - I like Brad Penn oil as it provides a higher zinc content so no additives are needed. Is 10/30 Brad Penn fine for these engines?

Oil Filter - I was told the canister housing the oil filter on my car is an old By Pass or sealed disposable filter. I don't have the service manual yet but I believe these were supposed to be changed every 5000 miles. The canister on my car looks pretty old. Does that mean the oil filter hasn't been changed in decades? Are there modern replacements available? Can I change the canister to a model where I just need to change the filter and not dispose the entire unit? Some kind of adaptor? Can anyone post links to options and replacements please?

Transmission Fluid - What are you guys using or suggest?

Anything specific or special quirks I need to look at in the engine bay?

Anyway....great to be here guys and here is the car.


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58coupe
Posted 2017-06-02 9:49 AM (#541395 - in reply to #541383)
Subject: Re: New Member ( Intro & Questions ) - 1956 Dodge Regent 2 Door Hardtop



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That,s a beautiful car. The Dodge Regent is actually built on the Plymouth body with a Dodge front end. That is how it was done in Canada for many years. Not an expert on Canadian built cars but it is most likely a 230 c.u. 6. No reason to run high octane gas, it was designed to run on regular. The bypass oil filter uses a cartridge, (Wix 51004 or equivalent) you could adapt a spin on but it would still be a bypass filter that filters some of the oil at a time. It is better than no filter at all. Since your engine is broken in, you don't have to run the high zinc oil but it won't hurt. Looking at the engine picture again, it might be a throw away oil filter where you change the complete canister. Not sure where to get that style but I would change it at every oil change.

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imopar380
Posted 2017-06-02 11:45 AM (#541397 - in reply to #541395)
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Nice car!! There is no need to use a lead additive to the gas, however you should try and use Ethanol free gas if you can find it. In BC we have CO-OP gas stations and their 91 Octane is ethanol free. Otherwise Chevron 94 Octane is ethanol free. but it's even more expensive. The heads/valves on these old flathead Mopar engines had hardened seats so there is no danger with using unleaded gas in them. However ethanol can eat away at your whole fuel system - perishes rubber and eats away at the carb and fuel lines.
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DepsilonD
Posted 2017-06-02 11:58 AM (#541398 - in reply to #541383)
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Great car! Looks like a lot of your questions were answered. I have a '56 Dodge (U.S.) and a '56 Plymouth so I can help with some of the stuff. You can install a new duel pot master cylinder from a '60's Mopar with ease. There are also disc brake kits available from several companies including Rusty Hope, ECI, AAJ, and I think Scare Bird if you want to got that way. Since your car is mostly '56 Plymouth by U.S. standards, here is a link to that service manual: http://www.mymopar.com/downloads/servicemanuals/1955_1956_Plymouth_...

And are far as trans fluid, most use Dex/Merc III. No real quirks to speak of in the engine bay . . . these cars seem to run forever. Just watch for transmission leaks which can be common from a few locations. And it looks like your cigarette lighter is missing in the interior . . . . make sure you get one from a '56 Plymouth to match the rest of the interior knobs.

-Dave

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56D500boy
Posted 2017-06-02 12:01 PM (#541399 - in reply to #541395)
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Very nice car. You're lucky to have purchased it. (I would have been all over it, had I not already bought a 1956 American Dodge Custom Royal).

I had a 1955 Dodge Regent in Saskatchewan in high school and university. It was a flat-head 6 with 3 on the tree. My uncle who was a warehouseman at Chrysler Canada in Regina had a 1955 Dodge Mayfair 2 door hardtop with the V8 and automatic. (I guess Canadian Regents were 6's, Mayfairs V8s).

As suggested the Canadian 55 and 56 (and later) Dodges were built on the smaller US Plymouth chassis, except for the front end, which was all Dodge.

The Canadian flathead sixes were always larger than the equivalent US application:

"Chrysler of Canada made the decision to build an engine plant in Windsor, Ontario, in 1937, but due to market size, build only one engine block. They choose to build the so-called 25" block, with its 3-3/8" bore, and simply change the stroke (crankshaft and connecting rods) to adjust the engine size. It was possible to take the 3-3/8" bore block and make a smaller engine (it got down to 201-cid), but the smaller block could not be enlarged to 240-cid or larger, as the larger block could, and did, getting up to 264.5-cid."

REFERENCE: http://www.allpar.com/mopar/canadian.html

The trick is when you are looking for parts for your engine, it is the longer block, not the shorter US block.

I will send you a PM (private mail) here to make some suggestions regarding parts (I have a Canadian New Old Stock (NOS) connection with 100,000 computerized data base parts local to me).

Dave F. in New Westminster BC

My future 1955 Regent in 1960 when I was just 9 years old (I'm the little kid in the red sweater on the wooden trestle with my older sister in the white jacket, Mar/April 1960):



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Kmrumedy
Posted 2017-06-02 8:50 PM (#541417 - in reply to #541395)
Subject: Re: New Member ( Intro & Questions ) - 1956 Dodge Regent 2 Door Hardtop



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58coupe - 2017-06-02 9:49 AM

That,s a beautiful car. The Dodge Regent is actually built on the Plymouth body with a Dodge front end. That is how it was done in Canada for many years. Not an expert on Canadian built cars but it is most likely a 230 c.u. 6. No reason to run high octane gas, it was designed to run on regular. The bypass oil filter uses a cartridge, (Wix 51004 or equivalent) you could adapt a spin on but it would still be a bypass filter that filters some of the oil at a time. It is better than no filter at all. Since your engine is broken in, you don't have to run the high zinc oil but it won't hurt. Looking at the engine picture again, it might be a throw away oil filter where you change the complete canister. Not sure where to get that style but I would change it at every oil change.


Thank you for the kind words and the info. I was pretty sure the 56 HT's in Canada got the 251.... Can't trust Wikipedia! Thx.
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Kmrumedy
Posted 2017-06-02 8:51 PM (#541418 - in reply to #541397)
Subject: Re: New Member ( Intro & Questions ) - 1956 Dodge Regent 2 Door Hardtop



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imopar380 - 2017-06-02 11:45 AM

Nice car!! There is no need to use a lead additive to the gas, however you should try and use Ethanol free gas if you can find it. In BC we have CO-OP gas stations and their 91 Octane is ethanol free. Otherwise Chevron 94 Octane is ethanol free. but it's even more expensive. The heads/valves on these old flathead Mopar engines had hardened seats so there is no danger with using unleaded gas in them. However ethanol can eat away at your whole fuel system - perishes rubber and eats away at the carb and fuel lines.


Excellent info and good to know. Thank you Ian.

John
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Kmrumedy
Posted 2017-06-02 8:54 PM (#541419 - in reply to #541398)
Subject: Re: New Member ( Intro & Questions ) - 1956 Dodge Regent 2 Door Hardtop



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DepsilonD - 2017-06-02 11:58 AM

Great car! Looks like a lot of your questions were answered. I have a '56 Dodge (U.S.) and a '56 Plymouth so I can help with some of the stuff. You can install a new duel pot master cylinder from a '60's Mopar with ease. There are also disc brake kits available from several companies including Rusty Hope, ECI, AAJ, and I think Scare Bird if you want to got that way. Since your car is mostly '56 Plymouth by U.S. standards, here is a link to that service manual: http://www.mymopar.com/downloads/servicemanuals/1955_1956_Plymouth_...

And are far as trans fluid, most use Dex/Merc III. No real quirks to speak of in the engine bay . . . these cars seem to run forever. Just watch for transmission leaks which can be common from a few locations. And it looks like your cigarette lighter is missing in the interior . . . . make sure you get one from a '56 Plymouth to match the rest of the interior knobs.

-Dave


Hey Dave - Thank you for the info on the brakes. That will make sourcing much easier! I didn't even notice the missing cigarette lighter....I will check that out when the car arrives tomorrow. Cheers. John
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Kmrumedy
Posted 2017-06-02 8:57 PM (#541420 - in reply to #541399)
Subject: Re: New Member ( Intro & Questions ) - 1956 Dodge Regent 2 Door Hardtop



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56D500boy - 2017-06-02 12:01 PM

Very nice car. You're lucky to have purchased it. (I would have been all over it, had I not already bought a 1956 American Dodge Custom Royal).

I had a 1955 Dodge Regent in Saskatchewan in high school and university. It was a flat-head 6 with 3 on the tree. My uncle who was a warehouseman at Chrysler Canada in Regina had a 1955 Dodge Mayfair 2 door hardtop with the V8 and automatic. (I guess Canadian Regents were 6's, Mayfairs V8s).

As suggested the Canadian 55 and 56 (and later) Dodges were built on the smaller US Plymouth chassis, except for the front end, which was all Dodge.

The Canadian flathead sixes were always larger than the equivalent US application:

Dave F. in New Westminster BC

My future 1955 Regent in 1960 when I was just 9 years old (I'm the little kid in the red sweater on the wooden trestle with my older sister in the white jacket, Mar/April 1960):



Hi Dave - It was great speaking with you on the phone. Thanks for all the great info. Here are some pictures of the 392 Hemi that will mostly likely find its way in the car.





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Powerflite
Posted 2017-06-02 11:26 PM (#541425 - in reply to #541420)
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Nice plan. I put a Chrysler hemi into my '56 Plymouth too. You can check it out here:

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=13584&...

And here:

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=57904&...
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Chrycoman
Posted 2017-06-03 1:53 AM (#541436 - in reply to #541383)
Subject: Re: New Member ( Intro & Questions ) - 1956 Dodge Regent 2 Door Hardtop



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The Canadian-built Plymouth-based Dodges date from 1934 through 1959. The 1941-52 models used modified Plymouth front end stampings as the big US-style Dodge (which was also built in Canada) used the larger DeSoto-Chrysler body.

From 1956 through 1958 the Mayfair was V8 only. The Crusader and Regent were 6 or V8, although the 1956 Regent 2 door hardtop was 6 cylinder only. If you wanted a Dodge V8 2 door hardtop you bought a Mayfair.

Chrysler Canada started building their own engines in mid-1938, and from then through 1959 Plymouths and Dodges used the larger 25" block. Imports from the U.S. used the US 23" engine. The 250.6-cid flathead six was used on 1956-59 Plymouths and Dodges as well as 1955 Plymouths and Dodges with Powerflite. The manual transmission 1955 models used the 228.1-cid flathead six introduced in mid-1953.

The Sport Tone trim, along with two-tone colours, on your Regent was standard equipment on Regent and Mayfair hardtops, optional on Regent and Mayfair sedans, Custom Suburban and Sport Suburban.

There is a small plate on the passenger side of the firewall with -
Model No.
Body No.
Trim Code
Paint Code

Dodge Regent Six (D60-2) serial numbers ran from 98,099,701 to 98,116,724 - 17,024 built. A further 11,192 D61-2 V8 models were built (early with 270-cid Dodge V8 and then 277-cid A block V8). 1956 was a record year for Chrysler of Canada.

One thing I have never understood is why restorers of 1955-56 Chrysler products install the inside door handles with the ends pointing to 3 or 9 o'clock. They should be at 6 o'clock. Makes it easier to lock the car from the inside (push handle forward) and unlock (pull handle back).


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Kmrumedy
Posted 2017-06-03 5:49 AM (#541441 - in reply to #541425)
Subject: Re: New Member ( Intro & Questions ) - 1956 Dodge Regent 2 Door Hardtop



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Powerflite - 2017-06-02 11:26 PM

Nice plan. I put a Chrysler hemi into my '56 Plymouth too. You can check it out here:

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=13584&...

And here:

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=57904&...

Thank you. Funny, I had actually read both of these threads before as I was researching the project. Great info and if you don't mind...you'll probably be getting some PM's from me in the future with questions.

Did you ever install the 392 in the car? Not sure if I am doing something wrong on this forum but I only ever seem to get 1 page of info. Does your second thread have more than 1 page? Thanks again. John

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Powerflite
Posted 2017-06-03 9:27 AM (#541451 - in reply to #541441)
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When you do a search, it combines all the pages into one. It is encoded in the link to list it that way, but all the info is there.

No, I never did install it because the 331 has been soldering on really well...up until 2 weeks ago when it started leaking out of a freeze plug. So I need to fix that now.

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