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Darryl T
Posted 2017-07-07 1:06 PM (#543700)
Subject: 1957 Dodge D501 convert



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Has anyone else seen this? http://bid.aumannauctions.com/view-auctions/catalog/id/15600/lot/21...
I thought D500Neil said all D501s were stick shifts. Anyone know the history of this car? Pics reveal some obvious overspray and other flaws.
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Finsinthemirror
Posted 2017-07-07 2:07 PM (#543703 - in reply to #543700)
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There is a LOT visibly wrong with this car. Anyone claiming to have a "D501" should have sprung for the CHS document to prove the provenance.
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Darryl T
Posted 2017-07-07 3:49 PM (#543712 - in reply to #543703)
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I still think the convert I bought in 1966 was a D501, but have no photos or records to prove it. It was a dual quad 354 hemi, Torqueflite, PS, PB, PW car. I suppose in the prior 9 years someone could have swapped the motor, but given the backstory when found (bought by an Indian fisherman who ran it hard until it quit with a flat cam and then junked it) that seems unlikely. Worst $100 sale I ever made.
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2017-07-07 4:43 PM (#543720 - in reply to #543712)
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Just looking at the data tag, the BDY code matches what is considered a real D501.
Looks like it got a cheapie or amateur restoration, though.
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1955Coronado
Posted 2017-07-07 6:28 PM (#543726 - in reply to #543700)
Subject: RE: 1957 Dodge D501 convert



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Also looks like it's got 1959 Dodge pushbuttons:



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Swept57
Posted 2017-07-11 7:14 AM (#543938 - in reply to #543700)
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This car has been discussed previously. I have to lookup my notes, but as I recall it is a real D-501. Almost all the info in the description is wrong.
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hemidave
Posted 2017-07-11 9:05 AM (#543943 - in reply to #543700)
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I was interested in buying this car years ago, but the price was too high, and there were a lot of things that needed to be changed for this car to be correct. It was sold at an auction a few years ago, and pops up again now.



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Swept57
Posted 2017-07-11 9:31 AM (#543944 - in reply to #543700)
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Darryl T - 2017-07-07 1:06 PM

Has anyone else seen this? http://bid.aumannauctions.com/view-auctions/catalog/id/15600/lot/21...
I thought D500Neil said all D501s were stick shifts. Anyone know the history of this car? Pics reveal some obvious overspray and other flaws.


According to Neil, Darrell Davis had located 92 D-501 IBM cards and all of them were manual transmission. Based on engine serial numbers, Neil and Darrell believed that there were a total of 102 D-501s built. That left the door open for the possibility of an automatic D-501. I believe that the IBM card for this car exists, so it would have originally been a manual trans. Given the inherent weakness of the 57-59 Chrysler 3-speeds, it is likely that more than a few were converted to auto trans. Of the 92 IBM cards found, 23 were convertibles. I am aware of three D-501 convertibles still in existence, and rumors of a fourth.
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56D500boy
Posted 2017-07-11 10:43 AM (#543946 - in reply to #543700)
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Darryl T - 2017-07-07 1:06 PM Pics reveal some obvious overspray and other flaws.


The seller could deal with the overspray with a little bit of "GoofOFF" on a rag. It would wipe away very nicely. As for the other flaws, like too much thick orange pealy paint...Not sure about the D-O-D-G-E alignment on the hood.





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Swept57
Posted 2017-07-11 11:16 AM (#543948 - in reply to #543700)
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With regards to the paint, the seller claims it was originally Black and Charcoal but the trim tag says it was all white (LLL).
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StillOutThere
Posted 2017-07-11 11:52 AM (#543949 - in reply to #543700)
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From what I can see and read, this is an EXTREMELY DESIRABLE CAR with a GROSSLY INADEQUATE RESTORATION. For those of you more knowledgable of this car, does that sum it up pretty well?
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moparsteve
Posted 2017-07-11 12:22 PM (#543950 - in reply to #543700)
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as said earlier 3 d501 convs in existence this is one of

em... in spite of the incorrectness a genuine d501

convertible - wow ! when made correct imagine what

it would be worth? wow! if possible try to find history

through dodge/chrysler records.
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56D500boy
Posted 2017-07-11 1:37 PM (#543956 - in reply to #543950)
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I was curious about the 1733 477 intake manifold PN photo so I searched it in the 55-58 Mopar Parts pdf that I used. It shows up as the C76-300 (1957 Chrysler 300 and LC3 = 1958 300D, 354 (?)) intake manifold. (I think)



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Swept57
Posted 2017-07-11 1:51 PM (#543957 - in reply to #543956)
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56D500boy - 2017-07-11 1:37 PM

I was curious about the 1733 477 intake manifold PN photo so I searched it in the 55-58 Mopar Parts pdf that I used. It shows up as the C76-300 (1957 Chrysler 300, 354 (?)) intake manifold



That is the correct intake for a D-501, and yes, it is the same as used on the 57 300C 392 engines. The D-501 354 engine is very unique and has little in common with the 56 300B 354 engine. You will often read that the D-501s used "leftover" 300B engines. I even have correspondence from Chrysler stating such, but in actuality they differ considerably.
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StillOutThere
Posted 2017-07-11 4:19 PM (#543970 - in reply to #543700)
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1733 477 had to be used on these '57 cars because it has a lower rise than the '56 300B intake. The lower '57 hood clearance required it whether Chrysler or Dodge installed.

Now, there are TWO dual quad intake manifold castings carrying PN 1733 477. However only one is in the parts books. The production intake for the 300C cars with 375 HP is that PN. For the 390 HP 300Cs the same part number appears on a dual quad intake cast with NO center heat passages (solid cast iron "heat chamber" under carb). These were race only. They are additionally cast with raised "SPECIAL" on the underside center of the manifold. If someone gets a inspection of the D-501 car, take along a reach mirror and see if the bottom of the intake looks like my photo.

I have one of these intakes for my 390 HP Kiekhaefer Road America competition coupe.



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Swept57
Posted 2017-07-11 5:04 PM (#543973 - in reply to #543700)
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I have the original manifold for my D-501 engine. I don't recall that the cross-over passage was blocked off, but I'll look.
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moparsteve
Posted 2017-07-11 10:02 PM (#543993 - in reply to #543700)
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StillOutThere
Posted 2017-07-18 4:30 PM (#544351 - in reply to #543973)
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Swept57 - 2017-07-11 4:04 PM I have the original manifold for my D-501 engine. I don't recall that the cross-over passage was blocked off, but I'll look.

 

Just checking in to see if you had a chance to look under the intake manifold.  Thanks.

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Mike McCandless
Posted 2017-07-18 6:55 PM (#544359 - in reply to #543700)
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Such an interesting story and it's in NC. Wonder if I can put eyes on it. All of the stories around D-501 get real interesting. Has to be tough to value.
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Swept57
Posted 2017-07-19 8:56 AM (#544385 - in reply to #544351)
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StillOutThere - 2017-07-18 4:30 PM

Swept57 - 2017-07-11 4:04 PM I have the original manifold for my D-501 engine. I don't recall that the cross-over passage was blocked off, but I'll look.

 

Just checking in to see if you had a chance to look under the intake manifold.  Thanks.



Yes, I did and it does have the crossover. My guess is that the few 501 hardtops that were built and wound up in racing teams hands, like the one Cotton Owens ran at Darlington, may have had the "special" intake, but once the race program was cancelled the remaining D-501 were basically sold as street cars. Lee Smith's 501 is a very early sedan (Engine Number D501-1003), I'll ask him if his has the "special" manifold. His was originally purchased by Arnie "The Farmer" Beswick.

I did not get the original engine when I bought my 501, but I did buy a complete 501 engine (Engine Number D501-1080) removed from an all white convertible that was junked. The correct engine for my car was Engine Number D501-1049, so if any one runs across it...

Dave

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Swept57
Posted 2017-07-19 9:06 AM (#544386 - in reply to #544359)
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Mike McCandless - 2017-07-18 6:55 PM

Such an interesting story and it's in NC. Wonder if I can put eyes on it. All of the stories around D-501 get real interesting. Has to be tough to value.


I agree Mike, putting a price on that convertible would be tough. It would take some serious coin to make it right, but it's not like D-501 convertibles come up for sale every month either. Like I mentioned above, I am aware of only three still in existence. Neil shared rumors of a 4th on the east coast, but I think it may be one of the three.
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hemidave
Posted 2017-07-19 9:25 AM (#544387 - in reply to #543700)
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When I was thinking of buying the car some years ago, the owner wanted 175. I think it sold at an auction for @ 100 the last I heard. It's a great car that you could get in and drive, but if you wanted to restore it back to original, it would need the 3 speed and color change at least.
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Posted 2017-07-19 9:56 AM (#544390 - in reply to #544385)
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Swept57 - 2017-07-19 7:56 AM
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Swept57 - 2017-07-11 4:04 PM I have the original manifold for my D-501 engine. I don't recall that the cross-over passage was blocked off, but I'll look.

 

Just checking in to see if you had a chance to look under the intake manifold.  Thanks.

Yes, I did and it does have the crossover. My guess is that the few 501 hardtops that were built and wound up in racing teams hands, like the one Cotton Owens ran at Darlington, may have had the "special" intake, but once the race program was cancelled the remaining D-501 were basically sold as street cars. Lee Smith's 501 is a very early sedan (Engine Number D501-1003), I'll ask him if his has the "special" manifold. His was originally purchased by Arnie "The "Farmer" Beswick. I did not get the original engine when I bought my 501, but I did buy a complete 501 engine (Engine Number D501-1080) removed from an all white convertible that was junked. The correct engine for my car was Engine Number D501-1049, so if any one runs across it... Dave



Thanks for this response and I'll be looking forward to hear about what is on the Beswick/Smith car. At this moment, I only know of 2 of the "SPECIAL" intakes existing but there have to be a handful of others. Obviously because of the identification being on the BOTTOM, people who have them don't even know it!!!
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Swept57
Posted 2017-07-19 3:11 PM (#544414 - in reply to #544359)
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Mike McCandless - 2017-07-18 6:55 PM

Such an interesting story and it's in NC. Wonder if I can put eyes on it. All of the stories around D-501 get real interesting. Has to be tough to value.


Also Mike, if you do get a chance to look at it, could you please check the engine number. My records show it has Engine Number D501-1092, but I would like to verify that is correct. Dave
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Posted 2017-07-24 1:18 PM (#544751 - in reply to #543700)
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So that's why there are so many cars with missing lancers & other emblems...



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Powerflite
Posted 2017-08-30 9:36 PM (#547390 - in reply to #544390)
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Including fees, looks like it sold for $70K.
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mikes2nd
Posted 2017-08-30 11:26 PM (#547400 - in reply to #543700)
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been a lot of messing with this car it seems...I wouldn't be surprised if this wasnt a parts swap into a convert?
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