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Location: North Australia | I think I see the correct inner guard removable panels?
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Location: Layton, Utah | This car is in Darrell Davis's book and yes it is a real ram car. Paint show WP2 (white/winterberry). There were only 38 4 door sedans, 65 4 door hardtops, and 93 2 door hardtops built with the Ramcharge option built in 1960. None were built in 1961. |
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Location: somerville mass | i can only imagine the thrust from this thing when you floor it |
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Location: Hilltown, PA |
As an inexperienced/unfamiliar newbie I have to ask - what would be a reasonable/expected price for this car? Assuming it is as solid as it appears of course . . .
I'm curious because I don't see it making the reserve.
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Location: Lordstown, Ohio | LostDeere59 - 2017-07-28 7:02 PM
As an inexperienced/unfamiliar newbie I have to ask - what would be a reasonable/expected price for this car? Assuming it is as solid as it appears of course . . .
I'm curious because I don't see it making the reserve.
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Gregg
My opinion and its soley my opinion. 4 doors have little to no value. Now granted there are folks that want them but not me. Only thing it has going for it is its a original crossram car. My thoughts top dollar in pristine shape 15k? |
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Location: Branson, MO | moparsteve - 2017-07-28 11:38 AM
i can only imagine the thrust from this thing when you floor it
Not much belive it or not - I saw one get absolutely blown away by a '58 Chevy 348 Impala at Central Michigan Dragway in either 1960 or '61 when I was racing my '56 Fury in G/S. I don't recall the class the Chevy and DeSoto were in but I'm guessing B/SA or C/SA at the time. I think the Chevy won by about 8 bus lengths! Sad but true.
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Location: CA | My impressions about the differences between dual inline and the dual 4 ram cars were the top end, the ram cars pull like no tomorrow at the top end. The dual 4 inlines were much better at lower engine speeds. |
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| The "4 door have no value" statement is not accurate anymore. I personally would give 15k in a heartbeat. With a better presentation I can see this car closer to 20k, doubtful more than that, since it is a Sedan. It's a very unique car and hard to say how much the Ramcharge option increases the value, there are so few out there. |
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Location: CA | FINS! - 2017-07-30 4:42 PM
The "4 door have no value" statement is not accurate anymore. I personally would give 15k in a heartbeat. With a better presentation I can see this car closer to 20k, doubtful more than that, since it is a Sedan. It's a very unique car and hard to say how much the Ramcharge option increases the value, there are so few out there.
I agree 100%. Lots of folks won't appreciate a car like this but for me it's about an original untouched, unmolested unique car. To me, that will always be preferable to a modified unoriginal or restored car regardless of the door/roof configuration. I've never been a wagon guy and I've seen just as uniquely optioned oddball cars sell for double or triple some of the estimations on here for this cars "value." I'm sure this car will find a buyer.. maybe they get a killer deal, maybe not, maybe it sells to a classic car speculator. It's a neat car regardless. I'd be driving this one...
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Location: North Australia | Bidding ended at $12.6 K, 17 bids, reserve not met.
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| Exactly. Although it is only certain car guys who won't appreciate it, everybody else will. It's a beautiful car. And people appreciate a really unique car like this I'm tempted to ask if it's still available and how much he wants but I know where that path with lead  I too would drive it. |
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Location: So. Cal | It's worth exactly what it bid up to, $12.6K. |
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Location: Houston | I believe Chrysler engineered the long rams to provide added power at the mid range - I seem to recall 2800-3200RPM sort of area. With their long tubes it doesn't ring true that they would run harder at the top end.
That said...part of what killed off this sort of exotic induction system is the simple fact that the improvement is not that stellar. On the same engine, a cam change and maybe a better exhaust manifold would produce the same effect without all the fuss. |
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Location: CA | The cars I have experience with is a 58 fury with a 350 and a 300G. There are LOTS of variables to the performance differences but I chalked it up to the flow difference in the induction system. As I say there are many more differences than just that, B engine vs RB engine, mileage (original/rebuilt), transmission gearing (although BOTH would have the HD performance transmissions), rear end gearing. My impression was simply that the Fury lost its wind towards the top end and reaching any kind of top speed would take MUCH more time than the 300G. |
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Location: Lordstown, Ohio | I personally know the owner. The car is very decent. But as i said its not for me. 4 doors aint my thing. Ecspecially a post car. If you want in contact with the owner PM me. I will let you know what he wants for it. If he still wants to sell it |
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Location: Hilltown, PA | FINS! - 2017-07-31 11:45 AM
Exactly. Although it is only certain car guys who won't appreciate it, everybody else will. It's a beautiful car. And people appreciate a really unique car like this I'm tempted to ask if it's still available and how much he wants but I know where that path with lead I too would drive it.
THIS is exactly why I asked about value. I only recently became seriously interested in these cars as my somewhat spontaneous purchase of a 60 Desoto has brought me back into the car hobby. I suspect I may have given a tad much for my car, but it is a very nice driver, and was reasonably local. But now when I look at what this car, and a couple of other 4 doors, are selling for I wonder if I pulled the trigger too soon . . .
Red is my color, and cross-rams are way cool.
And for me, a 4 door is just as cool - I mean just look at the thing!!!
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Location: central Illinois | You should go for it. My girl says she'd buy it if she had the cash and a place to put it, surely someone else is thinking the same thing. |
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| The car is nice and clean. Don't like the red and 4 door combo too much. What color is Winterberry?
WP2 means white top and winterberry body, correct?
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Location: Branson, MO | sonaramic300 - 2017-08-01 1:28 PM
The car is nice and clean. Don't like the red and 4 door combo too much. What color is Winterberry?
WP2 means white top and winterberry body, correct?
I have associated the color Winterberry with the medium dark metallic red that was available then. I don't know if that's what it was called though by DeSoto.
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| Look here same as 1960 Chrysler Toreador red#71003
http://paintref.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedisplay.cgi?manuf=Chrysler&yea... |
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Location: Kansas City, Kansas | Viper Guy - 2017-08-01 9:21 PM
I have associated the color Winterberry with the medium dark metallic red that was available then. I don't know if that's what it was called though by DeSoto.
Winterberry Red is much darker than this car. The only way for a '60 DeSoto to come this color is if it was from Canada. The standard red was called Plume Red Metallic, but another close match might be the Canadian Spring color called Antique Rose.
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