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jboymechanic
Posted 2017-08-14 9:32 PM (#546210)
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I started working on this car in 2004 after it sat since 1965 on my grandfather's farm, and even though I've been a member on this forum for close to a decade I've not posted a whole lot about this car. Well today I received initial pictures from the body shop that's painting the car and it's time to start sharing. Car is "Fleet White" over "Tango Red" and it looks to be pretty straight. Much much more to come when I get the car home and finally start getting the last of the car together.




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Fireflite56
Posted 2017-08-14 9:44 PM (#546211 - in reply to #546210)
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Jon, it looks like you're making nice progress - I can't wait to see it up at Gus's when it's finished! Regarding your glass, did you have to replace the windshield in the car? If so, who was the source?
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jboymechanic
Posted 2017-08-14 10:13 PM (#546212 - in reply to #546210)
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Front and rear windshields are original. Make room at Gus' next to all those DeSotos!
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jboymechanic
Posted 2017-10-04 11:03 PM (#549791 - in reply to #546212)
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Car body is sanded and buffed, as are doors and deck lid. The front clip should be done and back on the car in the next week or two!



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57burb
Posted 2017-10-05 10:31 AM (#549813 - in reply to #546210)
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Absolutely beautiful! Congratulations on your excellent progress.
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Posted 2017-10-05 5:34 PM (#549835 - in reply to #546210)
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I didn't realize that the gas tank filler is under the right rear fender tip at least it looks like it in the pics.
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jboymechanic
Posted 2017-10-06 8:20 AM (#549878 - in reply to #546210)
Subject: Re: 1956 Imperial Coupe



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Correct, push a button concealed in the backup light housing and the quarter end hinges out of the way.
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jboymechanic
Posted 2017-10-10 10:52 PM (#550129 - in reply to #549878)
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I pick the car up this Friday!



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60 Imp
Posted 2017-10-11 7:02 AM (#550140 - in reply to #546210)
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This is getting serious now!

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jboymechanic
Posted 2017-10-28 11:06 PM (#551245 - in reply to #550140)
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Car came home two weeks ago, chipping away on trim and emblems. I try to do at leas one little item every night.



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jboymechanic
Posted 2017-10-28 11:11 PM (#551246 - in reply to #546210)
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If anyone knows where I can get a decent plastic emblem that goes in the center of the Imperial eagles please let me know!
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jboymechanic
Posted 2017-12-18 11:41 PM (#554614 - in reply to #551246)
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Some more progress. Just bought a pedestal mounted buffer, hope to get the stainless around the windshields done once I'm up and running. Also need to make some of my own trim fasteners, which should be fun . Side trim, head lights, tail lights and front bumper assembly are on, although the bumper still needs adjusting.

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jboymechanic
Posted 2018-04-01 1:15 AM (#560869 - in reply to #546210)
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Finally bit the bullet and tackled a big job; pulled the trans, bell housing and swapped torque converters. I mistakenly originally installed a 172 tooth 1957 torque converter in the car and the ring gear and starter have been eating each other since. That will all be over with now, the correct 146 tooth 1956 torque converter is now in place. I did this work with a trans jack with the car resting on two jack stands up front and the rear tires. I had to build a cradle to support the engine. Exhaust pipes and drive shaft had to come out. It was an awful job, I was under the car for about 11 hours today. Just need to do some small things to button it all back up, I glad to be through it.
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Posted 2018-04-01 9:11 AM (#560878 - in reply to #546210)
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saw a whole emblem and housing sold for 40$ on ebay but it still needed restored plastic. maybe try emblem magic, hopefully they have one in stock?



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jboymechanic
Posted 2018-05-22 12:07 AM (#563801 - in reply to #560878)
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Time for a long overdue update. Starter and torque converter issue is done, I also have my external filter and cooler connected with -06 AN braided stainless steel lines. The first kit I installed had hair-line cracks in the filter housing casting, so it leaked transmission fluid when the engine was running. Seems like everything is two steps forward, 1 back with this car. Any way, that issue is resolved.

Car has brakes once again. Even though my new aluminum master cylinder was identical to the cast iron unit, the bore in the center of the piston was deeper so once again I had to modify my pushrod to fit. A little time on a lathe and a stud and coupling nut later I was in business. Again, more work than it should have been.

After the brakes we good, I mounted some Dodge Ram 16" wheels on the car just to see how large of a tire would fit. They fit, but are much larger than I would run on this car. This was also the first time the weight of the car was put on the new Eaton coil springs and guess what? No good, car dropped 2 to 3 inches below spec so yet again I have to redo something. No wonder I've been working on this car for 14 years, this is how EVERYTHING goes! Any way, I have ordered new coils from Coil Spring Specialties this time, we'll see what happens.

I've also been polishing stainless steel trim, there is a picture of one of my finished windshield visor pieces. I have gotten pretty good over the winter and spring.

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60 Imp
Posted 2018-05-23 8:35 AM (#563875 - in reply to #546210)
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Jon, Is this your Grandpa's car? Man that car is nearly there and looking real good. Steve.
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jboymechanic
Posted 2018-05-23 9:43 AM (#563880 - in reply to #546210)
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Thanks Steve. Yes, this was my grandpa's car, he bought it used in 1960 and drove it until 1965 when he spun a rod bearing. Sat in the machine shed for 38 years before I rescued it in 2003.
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Posted 2018-05-23 12:10 PM (#563888 - in reply to #563880)
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Looking good. The stainless is crazy shiny. Yikes.

Question: What is the front disc brake package? Scarebird or AAJ?

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jboymechanic
Posted 2018-05-23 10:54 PM (#563943 - in reply to #546210)
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The Imperial's front disc setup is Scarebird. I purchased the calipers already powder coated red from rockauto (Power Stop part number S4299). The brackets are very well made and came plated in zinc chromate.
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jboymechanic
Posted 2018-06-18 4:20 PM (#565299 - in reply to #546210)
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New front coil springs from Coil Spring Specialties are now in the car, it sits level front to rear AND side to side for the first time in decades. I also replaced my rear axles so I have the same while hub pilot diameter at all four wheels, same as a 1994 to 2001 Dodge Ram 1500. Hope to replace the stock mufflers next, I have a set of Flow Master HP-2 mufflers. They are high flowing without being obnoxiously loud and are actually pretty close to the same overall geometry as the stock mufflers.
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jboymechanic
Posted 2019-03-19 10:56 PM (#579566 - in reply to #546210)
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Been working on cleaning up and finishing my wiring this winter, getting really close to finished. Under dash is good, now moving to the rear of the car. Everything works like it should other than my backup lights, I'm guess bad switch on my push buttons. I also ordered a new pair of 16" wire wheels, if they fit over the front disc brakes I'll order the other two and my white wall tires next. Hope to drive this thing this summer, finished or not.
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jboymechanic
Posted 2019-05-01 12:12 AM (#581594 - in reply to #579566)
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Thanks to the members here that got me pictures and measurements for the wiring covers by the door sills. I crawled under the car and found that I had left the original screw holes in the floor for these plates, so I poked an awl up through the sound deadening material from underneath the car. From there, it was easy to determine which cover went where. I really appreciate the how clean the wiring is getting inside this car. Now working in the back seat and trunk area.

Also, I cancelled my wire wheel order from Wheel Vintiques, what an absolute waste of time they were. I ordered wheels 20 weeks ago, and I had been begging for an update. Finally got through to someone and they simply told me that they hadn't even started! I then called TruSpoke and provided all the same information and dimensions that I sent to WV. Salesman was helpful and said that their standard 15" wheel should clear my disc brakes as the back half of their wheel has updated geometry to clear calipers. Tracking # says wheels arrive tomorrow, so we shall see. If they fit, I intend to order some 820R15 Auburn Deluxe radials from diamondback tires next.



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60 Imp
Posted 2019-05-01 6:25 AM (#581601 - in reply to #546210)
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Howdy Jon, the manual in the car looks well thumbed!

On the tires, do you know the speed and load ratings for the Auburn Deluxe?

I like the look of the Auburn Premium range.

Man these tires are expensive, but they look good.

I want wide whites for my Imperial, but cant justify the money (yet!).

Your car will be looking the goods with the new wheels and tires , cant wait to see the pics.

Steve.

edit: check out this link from an Aussie tire supplier. http://www.classic-usa-cars.com/index1a.html


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jboymechanic
Posted 2019-05-02 11:00 PM (#581698 - in reply to #581601)
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I do not know the load rating for the Auburn Deluxes, but its on my list of questions. Here are some pictures of the wheels.





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Posted 2019-05-03 12:31 AM (#581708 - in reply to #546210)
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Can't wait to see it in person Jon!
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jboymechanic
Posted 2019-07-11 10:55 PM (#584729 - in reply to #546210)
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A very small victory, but I finally traced down my last wiring issue tonight. My issue with my passenger side blinker came down to a sloppy tail light bulb socket. Some additional polishing and careful squeezing with a pliers corrected the issue. At this point, I can't find a single electrical item that isn't working.
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Posted 2019-07-12 9:03 AM (#584732 - in reply to #584729)
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I wouldn't call that a 'very small victory'. Not on an Imperial
When are you driving? Cant wait to see your pics.

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jboymechanic
Posted 2019-12-27 11:16 PM (#592118 - in reply to #584732)
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Very lucky with the weather here around Christmas, exercised the Imperials transmission and brakes a little. Can't wait to get my white walls mounted to my new wire wheels!



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Posted 2020-01-21 7:38 PM (#593295 - in reply to #546210)
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Very nice! Can't wait to see it with the new wheels
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jboymechanic
Posted 2020-02-26 12:17 PM (#594852 - in reply to #546210)
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Ordered my white wall tires today from diamondback tires, 235/75R15 Auburn Premiums!
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Posted 2020-02-26 12:57 PM (#594854 - in reply to #546210)
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Good choice!
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Posted 2020-02-26 3:28 PM (#594865 - in reply to #592118)
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Excellent news. You've got so much into this car, it is time to start enjoying it!
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jboymechanic
Posted 2020-04-22 11:59 PM (#597243 - in reply to #594854)
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Anyone know how to staple window cat whiskers to stainless trim? These were stapled from the factory, how can I secure my new whiskers to my trim? Is there a readily available (and affordable) stapler that will do the job? How have others done this? Any help is appreciated.

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Posted 2020-04-23 1:58 AM (#597244 - in reply to #546210)
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If you want to staple it, drill tiny holes through it and insert the staples at the right locations. Otherwise, you may be able to get away with epoxying it to the trim using JB weld and clamping it tight for a couple of days to wait for it to fully cure.
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Posted 2020-04-23 1:58 AM (#597245 - in reply to #597243)
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I am guessing that the factory stapler was pressurized air-powered that there is nothing likely available to the public that would work. 1/8" aluminum pop rivets worked for me (on a sedan door and window frame)

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Posted 2020-04-23 10:38 AM (#597252 - in reply to #597244)
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I tried to drill and attach home made staples made of wire but I noticed it was almost impossible to get them tight enough . The staples didn`t sink in enough , we all know what happens
when glass and iron touch each other. I use very small alu pop rivets 2,5 mm diameter and so far none has come loose.
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Posted 2020-04-23 10:54 AM (#597253 - in reply to #597244)
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On my Chrysler, I did the inners and outers differently.

The inners were pretty straightforward. I didn't bother trying to use the staples the factory used, because there is nothing I have that will push a staple through a piece of 10 gauge steel. I drilled holes through the new felt strips, and through the upper steel part of the door panel, and pop riveted them in place. Pretty easy.

The outers were tricky, because the factory used special clips to hold these to the door and to the quarter panel. Drilling and pop-riveting wasn't an option because there wasn't any space for a drill or a rivet gun.

So I carefully took apart the originals, scraped all the old felt material off them, taped off the stainless belt, and sandblasted the steel and etch primed them. Then I took some adhesive-backed 1" felt trim I got on Amazon, trimmed it in half lengthwise, and stuck it to my strips. Then flipped them over, and used strips of Gorilla Tape on the opposite side. This allowed the adhesive from the felt and the adhesive from the tape to stick together through the small spaces in the strip, and lock the felts into place.

It cost about ten bucks and has held up for two years without any issues so I'm calling it a victory.



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jboymechanic
Posted 2020-04-25 11:21 PM (#597335 - in reply to #546210)
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Thanks for all the info guys, I'm gathering info myself as well. Below is a very detailed thread from a Studebaker forum, not sure if I will rivet or use small screws. Guess it will depend on how much room I have to work with.

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jboymechanic
Posted 2020-05-11 11:51 PM (#598122 - in reply to #597335)
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Been working on my Imperial horns, I was able to get the high-low horns working and sounding right. The "trumpet" horn made sound, but it sounded awful and tonight I found out why. Have you ever seen a horn rot out like this?

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Posted 2020-05-12 2:07 AM (#598125 - in reply to #598122)
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So you have the tri-tone horn system? I wonder how much is the same at the hi/low horns. I probably have some parts left from my horn fixing DIY.

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jboymechanic
Posted 2020-07-10 10:58 PM (#600706 - in reply to #598125)
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Horns are restored, tuned and in the car. Now I'm getting back onto trim progress. The belt line trim around the rear windshield is on, just need to adjust and install the center piece. Next I'll polish and install the rain gutter trim.



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Posted 2020-07-11 7:49 AM (#600716 - in reply to #546210)
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Posted 2020-07-11 11:10 PM (#600748 - in reply to #600706)
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Congrats on the progress. Your stainless is fantastic.

Question: Does that short joining piece just clip over the other two pieces?

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Posted 2020-07-12 10:50 AM (#600761 - in reply to #546210)
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Is that Cloud White over Regimental Red (code 147) or Cloud White over Geranium Red (code 143) paint?
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jboymechanic
Posted 2020-07-12 10:27 PM (#600781 - in reply to #546210)
Subject: Re: 1956 Imperial Coupe



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Thanks for the comments, trying to regain some momentum on putting this car together. I’ve been polishing the stainless myself, luckily most of it is very straight. The trim below the rear windshield is an often missing piece, the trim piece itself has the stud welded to it and it bolts to the body. You access all the trim fasteners from in the trunk or back seat in really inconvenient locations.

Car was originally Cloud White over Desert Rose, but I’ve replaced the Desert Rose with Tango Red. Paint is base-clear, which I kind of regret now that I’ve put a few minor scratches in her here and there.
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jboymechanic
Posted 2020-07-15 11:39 PM (#600955 - in reply to #600781)
Subject: Re: 1956 Imperial Coupe



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Rain gutter trim has been polished and installed on both sides. These aren't perfectly straight, but they're good enough for me.



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22mafeja
Posted 2020-07-18 2:28 AM (#601031 - in reply to #546210)
Subject: RE: 1956 Imperial Coupe


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You have all the clean and rewarding work ahead , lucky you!
This looks to be one of the finest Imperial 56 restorations ever.
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jboymechanic
Posted 2020-07-22 9:34 PM (#601199 - in reply to #601031)
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Finally found a shop that knew how to mount and balance tubed tires on wire wheels. Now I need to get them cleaned up and on the car.



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