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brdtee
Posted 2017-09-24 4:56 PM (#549068)
Subject: 1957 Chrysler Windsor interor trim code "55" ?



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Does anyone have a 1957 Windsor with a interior trim code 55?

I would like to see some samples of such interiors so I could check if I have correct materials for re-doing mine.

Following image (borrowed from another topic) shows the cloth and vinyl but how about the headliner color or the carpet color?




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Posted 2017-09-24 7:03 PM (#549077 - in reply to #549068)
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I have one that is pink and copper color on the outside. My carpet was black, although, I don't know if that was original or not. But the black makes a lot of sense, since it matches the bottom of the door panels and the dash pad. In fact, the 56 trim code cars also have black at the bottom of the door panels & dash pad, and original cars also have black carpets in those as well.

Remnants of my original headliner is still intact, and it is off-white without any perforations or holes.
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Posted 2017-09-24 7:20 PM (#549079 - in reply to #549077)
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I should add that the vinyl material is light silvery pink color on the backs & bottoms, and gray on the top with horizontal seams embedded into it. The beading that goes between the different fabrics is gold like in this picture. The bottom left shows an off-white headliner, but it has perforations. The original doesn't have perforations.



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Posted 2017-09-25 12:16 AM (#549096 - in reply to #549079)
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Strange, SMS Auto Fabrics offered me just one color of vinyl, it's the slight silvery/goldish pink one which matches the vinyl on door panels and I've seen only seats with one vinyl color?

SMS also offered dark brown carpet but I have also the same impression that it should be black. That's why I'm asking. I would go black but they say it should be brown.

They also suggested the perforated headliner but that is definitely not correct as the original is cloth. Here is a picture how my headliner looks like but it's so dirty it's hard to determine what that color is... or is it just off-white, not dirty:



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Posted 2017-09-25 2:21 AM (#549097 - in reply to #549096)
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It is possible that they are correct about the carpet. I only know that 56 trim cars have black. I am only assuming black for 55 trim cars, but in the end, if you really don't like the look of the dark brown, then do what you will like. I would really prefer the black. My headliner is also cloth, although I don't see that pattern on it. It may be that mine has worn off, or it may be a difference in factory material. My car was manufactured in Los Angeles.

On the seat vinyl, they were definitely 2 colors of vinyl - at least on the hardtop. Sedans may be different. Mine is a 2dr hardtop. The top part had horizontal seams embossed into it and it was gray color, just like the door panel gray. The middle and bottom were mostly the cloth, while the bottom side of the seat was the pink color. It is interesting that the 56 trim only used 1 vinyl color, but the 55 definitely had both gray and pink.



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brdtee
Posted 2017-09-25 5:22 AM (#549098 - in reply to #549097)
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Powerflite - 2017-09-25 9:21 AM

It is possible that they are correct about the carpet. I only know that 56 trim cars have black. I am only assuming black for 55 trim cars, but in the end, if you really don't like the look of the dark brown, then do what you will like. I would really prefer the black. My headliner is also cloth, although I don't see that pattern on it. It may be that mine has worn off, or it may be a difference in factory material. My car was manufactured in Los Angeles.

On the seat vinyl, they were definitely 2 colors of vinyl - at least on the hardtop. Sedans may be different. Mine is a 2dr hardtop. The top part had horizontal seams embossed into it and it was gray color, just like the door panel gray. The middle and bottom were mostly the cloth, while the bottom side of the seat was the pink color. It is interesting that the 56 trim only used 1 vinyl color, but the 55 definitely had both gray and pink.


My car is also manufactured in Los Angeles and by the numbers it's among the last Four-Door Sedan Windsors built for that model year as it was built in middle of August 1957 and the production ended before the end of the month. My car is #4956 and the last 1957 Windsor from LA was #5120 so only 164 cars built after mine, including all body styles.

Your door panel and dash colors look just like mine.

I guess there might be difference between Sedans and Hardtops in the seat vinyl setup as the seats are different, Sedan has one-piece back rest on the front seat. I have another set of seats from a parts car which seem to have trim 55 grey vinyl on them all around where should be vinyl but the cloth part is later changed to something aftermarket. The vinyls on the parts cars seats seem to be factory originals with embossing and welts. My car's seats have been reupholstered with all black vinyl Mopar aftermarket seat covers in 1960s.
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Posted 2017-09-25 9:49 AM (#549115 - in reply to #549068)
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The terrible looking one at the bottom is mine. It's seat material is all original, untouched from the factory, except from the ravages of time & use. So I can give you a clear picture of how it came from the factory. The top photo I pulled from the internet. It's cloth material has also been replaced with some random vinyl. But the gray at the top & gold beading is correct.

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brdtee
Posted 2017-09-25 10:31 AM (#549118 - in reply to #549068)
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Here's a picture from the parts car which is a 4d Sedan. Interior otherwise original but the cloth has been replaced.



And the carpet is missing... one guy once claimed that fabric carpet was a option in Windsor and the plain version came with a black rubber carpet but i haven't verified this from any of the sales materials. I guess despite Windsor being the low-price Chrysler it was still a upper class car in the market. For example base price of a Windsor Sedan was higher than base price of the most expensive Ford (Skyliner Hide-Away hardtop).

EDIT: As seen on picture, this one seems to have tan windlace. and the post between doors is painted gold. My Sedan has remains of more brownish windlace that matches the original cloth better than tan version but it also has tan windlace on three doors. Strange. And in my car the post between doors is black and it looks like it's original color.



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Posted 2017-10-10 12:59 PM (#550099 - in reply to #549068)
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One more question ..about the kick panels in front? I have seen that they are usually black. But mine has them in that grey/goldish color from the door panel's center. They look pretty original. I wonder if they are painted later or did some of the cars have different colors on kick panels?
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Posted 2017-10-10 6:30 PM (#550117 - in reply to #549068)
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I have no idea. I will check and see if there is anything left of mine to reference off of, but I doubt it. There was a little bit clinging onto there, but I removed it during painting.
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Posted 2017-10-10 9:16 PM (#550124 - in reply to #549068)
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The kick panel usually "matched" the colour of the lower part of the door panel, with slight variations. I have seen some restorations, where the panel is painted in two tone, to match the door panel. As far as I have seen , that is incorrect.
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Posted 2017-10-31 10:10 AM (#551392 - in reply to #549068)
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One more question.... what material should the rear shelf be? I guess it should be black but is it vinyl or some sort of canvas or cloth or cardboard?
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Posted 2017-10-31 12:43 PM (#551398 - in reply to #549068)
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My New Yorker has remnants of vinyl over cardboard. I don't recommend using cardboard. Something stiffer and less prone to water damage would be better. Also, the color is the same color as the dash - in this case, a silvery brown. But in the case of the '55' trim code Windsor, it should be black.

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brdtee
Posted 2017-11-18 6:10 AM (#552582 - in reply to #549068)
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I wonder what trim code had brown areas in the door panels?



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Posted 2017-11-18 9:57 AM (#552589 - in reply to #549068)
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Not in a Windsor. I guess it was too hard to get original colors?
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Posted 2017-11-18 10:49 AM (#552596 - in reply to #552589)
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Powerflite - 2017-11-18 4:57 PM

Not in a Windsor. I guess it was too hard to get original colors?


Probably so. Haven't seen such brown in any other cars. Looks like the brown color is taken from original door handles of the trim 55 which seem to be brown.

Not bad combo, matches well with the original brown seat cloth even that seems to be wrong too in this particular car... made me think what if I steal this idea and have the brown on door panels too ...the greenish/grayish color is available too as a vinyl paint when mixed after a sample from the originals but it's a bit hard to determine which part of the greenish area is original and which one has changed during the years. I think at least the golden vinyl seem to lose the golden touch and turn more into gray/green in cars which still have the original vinyls. That makes me think that maybe the green shade has also been a bit different when brand new.
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Posted 2017-11-18 11:01 AM (#552597 - in reply to #549068)
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I think the greenish hue you are referring to is a component of aging of the material used. I would bet that originally, it was a pure gray with no other hue at all to it. This trim code was designed to work with all reds, oranges, blacks, browns, pinks, & copper cars. Green wouldn't make any sense here.
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Posted 2017-11-18 12:16 PM (#552600 - in reply to #551398)
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Powerflite - 2017-10-31 12:43 PM My New Yorker has remnants of vinyl over cardboard. I don't recommend using cardboard. Something stiffer and less prone to water damage would be better. Also, the color is the same color as the dash - in this case, a silvery brown. But in the case of the '55' trim code Windsor, it should be black.


For a water issue, 1/8" thick ABS would work well, but I would be concerned about warping in the heat of the back window, especially if it was covered in black vinyl. I would probably use 1/8" thick hardboard and primed and painted both sides before covering the upper side in the choice colour vinyl.

My 56 Dodge rear parcel tray was cardboard covered with the same fluffy blue mouse fir cloth that was originally used on the headliner. I was too far gone in many ways to stay to it got chucked in the dustbin.

I made my rear parcel tray from 11 ply Baltic Birch 1/2" plywood but I had "special" needs regarding mounting new 6 x 9 stereo speakers.

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Posted 2017-11-18 12:50 PM (#552603 - in reply to #552597)
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Powerflite - 2017-11-18 6:01 PM

I think the greenish hue you are referring to is a component of aging of the material used. I would bet that originally, it was a pure gray with no other hue at all to it. This trim code was designed to work with all reds, oranges, blacks, browns, pinks, & copper cars. Green wouldn't make any sense here.


Yes I refer to the greenish hue seen in the previous posts of aged original door panels. Almost all I have seen has that greenish hue on them and YES it does not make any sense compared to other colors used in the interior. I think it could be a gray instead which would make a lot more sense?

Also the gold vinyl on the seats is very greenish in the top section but the same piece of vinyl is golden at the bottom where sun has not been shining. So we can think that the vinyl has aged to greenish hue.

But the door panels have three vinyl colors: black, greenish gray/gold and reddish gold.

The gold color which should be same as the dash bottom metal (at least it is on blue interior cars and in some promo pictures) has a red hue on the door panels which make the top section different color than the dash metal parts and seat vinyl. I suppose the exact color on the top vinyl part should be gold without red hue so it would be similar to that used in seats and dash bottom?



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brdtee
Posted 2017-11-18 1:10 PM (#552606 - in reply to #549068)
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If we compare all Windsor trims with this style (053-056) the 055 seem to be different what comes to door panel middle section?


Trim 053 - blue/light blue

Seat cloth: blue
Seat vinyl: light blue
Dash metal: light blue
Door top: light blue
Door middle: blue
Door handle: blue
Door bottom: black

Trim 054 - green/light green

Seat cloth: green
Seat vinyl: light green
Dash metal: light green
Door top: light green
Door middle: green
Door handle: green
Door bottom: black


Trim 055 - brown/gold

Seat cloth: brown
Seat vinyl: gold silvery pink
Dash metal: gold silvery pink
Door top: gold silvery pink
Door middle: green,gray or brown? if it would follow the pattern from other trims it should be similar to seat cloth and door handle?
Door handle: brown
Door bottom: black

Trim 056 - red/white

Seat cloth: red
Seat vinyl: white
Dash metal: white
Door top: white
Door middle: red
Door handle: red
Door bottom: black



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Posted 2017-11-18 1:17 PM (#552609 - in reply to #552603)
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When you figure it out, you could recolour the existing vinyl with a product like SEM's COLOR COAT which is made for vinyl and plastic

http://www.tcpglobal.com/Automotive-Paint/SEM-Color-Coat-Aerosols/

http://www.tcpglobal.com/Automotive-Paint/SEM-Color-Coat-Color-Card...

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Posted 2017-11-18 1:43 PM (#552611 - in reply to #549068)
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Yes I am going to use SEM color. In addition to those ready made colors, they can also mix it to exact match if you have an example of the desired color. I have used SEM vinyl paint in my T-bird earlier and it's really good stuff!
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Posted 2017-11-18 3:44 PM (#552623 - in reply to #549068)
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I have no idea why you think the top material is gold. The dash isn't gold either. They are all a silvery pink, and the bottom of the seats are also this same silvery pink. I'll have to check my door panels to see the original color of those gray middle sections. I never considered that they may have originally been a brown color because they seemed to match the tops of the seats.

Edit: But, I just checked, and yes they are definitely different than the seat tops. It does seem like they were originally brown and have faded to gray. I personally like the way they look with gray much better than brown though.

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Posted 2017-11-18 4:23 PM (#552626 - in reply to #549068)
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I have seen many of these dash parts from many different Windsor 055 dashes and they are all this same silvery Pink color. If you lightly sand the paint down and spray it with a coat of clear, or wipe some water over it, you will see that it is definitely pink too. This is my seat bottom. The front and left side has not been ravaged by the sun very much so it is still nice vinyl. The vinyl is the same silvery Pink color as the dash and door panels. However, on the other side where it has had more sun, it fades to a gray color. So it is possible that the seat tops were originally the same silvery pink color as what you see on the bottom here, and it has just faded over time. In fact, that would be a good guess.



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Posted 2017-11-19 2:01 AM (#552661 - in reply to #552626)
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I have seen many of these dash parts from many different Windsor 055 dashes and they are all this same silvery Pink color. If you lightly sand the paint down and spray it with a coat of clear, or wipe some water over it, you will see that it is definitely pink too. This is my seat bottom. The front and left side has not been ravaged by the sun very much so it is still nice vinyl. The vinyl is the same silvery Pink color as the dash and door panels. However, on the other side where it has had more sun, it fades to a gray color. So it is possible that the seat tops were originally the same silvery pink color as what you see on the bottom here, and it has just faded over time. In fact, that would be a good guess.


When I look your pictures I think that we both refer actually to the same color, what I call simply "gold" is what you call "silvery pink". I thought it was more into gold than silver or pink because of the slightly metallic pink hue and I thought I could simplify that into "gold" as English is not my native language.

Anyway it looks like the original brown vinyl is aging into hues of green and grey. Mine look definitely green today. The previous owner remembers them as grey in early 1990s and there is that brownish color under the door handle and it matches quite ok to the original cloth of the seats. The red car in the previous post which has them painted brown has wrong shade of brown I think. They look too warm brown and I think there should be bit colder shade of brown instead.

But I think also that the silvery pink vinyl tend to age into more red/pink hue when not exposed to sunlight and fade to more grey when it is exposed to sunlight. The seats I have, come from a car that has been in sunlight and my door panels come from a car which has been garaged hidden from the sun for most of it's lifetime. The vinyls fade and age in both cases I guess but the result is slightly different.

When I compare the door panel into original dash and to the bottom of the original seat they are not at all as pink/red as the door panel is now. SMS Auto Fabrics sample vinyl is more "gold" or "silvery" than the door panel tops but it is close to the dash color. So maybe I take the color for dash and door panel tops from the seat vinyl so they all match up and match the door panel middle section with the greyish brown found under the door handle.

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Posted 2020-04-21 2:23 AM (#597172 - in reply to #549068)
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Bumping an old topic with a new related question.

All Windsor bench seat backs I have seen so far have been single color plain vinyl. But sales brochure features two-tone with embossed vinyl on the lower half.

I presume the sales brochure images were drawn before the actual production started and that two-tone seat back was simply ignored to cut down production costs. Or has anyone seen such in real life?





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Posted 2020-04-21 10:13 AM (#597177 - in reply to #549068)
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Your image is from a '58 Windsor, which is a little different. But yes, the '57 Windsor had these panels on the backs too, but it wasn't a 2-tone. It was the same color, just one part was ribbed, and the other part wasn't. This is an image from the seat back on my Code 56 Black/White Windsor with Cream/Red interior.



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Posted 2020-04-21 3:29 PM (#597194 - in reply to #597177)
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Powerflite - 2020-04-21 5:13 PM

Your image is from a '58 Windsor, which is a little different. But yes, the '57 Windsor had these panels on the backs too, but it wasn't a 2-tone. It was the same color, just one part was ribbed, and the other part wasn't. This is an image from the seat back on my Code 56 Black/White Windsor with Cream/Red interior.


The image is actually from a 1957 Chrysler line brochure so it was meant to be 1957 interior design at least when the brochure was printed in 1956 (checked the print date).

Your picture looks like a good refernce to my upholsterer so thank you =) ... I think it is from a two door Windsor which had these two piece front seat backs. I referred those four door models one piece back seat which I haven't seen nothing but plain vinyl backings so far. Four door seat's back has the ashtray in the middle and the rope which is featured in the brochure pic also.

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Posted 2020-05-15 2:28 AM (#598299 - in reply to #549068)
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Found this from the web and on the 4d sedans the back seems to be two-tone such as in this #053 trim. The lower part should match the middle section of door panels.



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Posted 2020-05-15 11:34 AM (#598313 - in reply to #549068)
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The pattern looks a little different and the material used is different than the 2dr as well.
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