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Darryl T
Posted 2017-11-11 1:53 PM (#552057)
Subject: new project - 57 Dodge 2-door wagon



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Thursday I picked up this '57 Dodge Suburban 2-door wagon just north of Sacramento. I had been watching it from afar for over 3 years. Since the '57 Dodge convert and '81 supercharged DeLorean are finished I needed a new project, so decided to go for it. I restored the convert as accurately as I could, but being an old hotrodder this wagon will be getting a slight update using current Chrysler 300/Dodge Charger drivetrain - gen III hemi, a/t, independent rearend, etc. This makes the 3rd '57 Dodge I have dragged home from CA in less than 4 years. Probably time for an intervention...





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uncltank
Posted 2017-11-11 2:18 PM (#552061 - in reply to #552057)
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Congratulations... Looks like a fine wagon. Post more pics when you get a chance...
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Old Ray
Posted 2017-11-11 3:21 PM (#552066 - in reply to #552057)
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Wagons ROCK, hot rod wagons REALLY ROCK! No intervention required, you are perfectly normal.
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57DODGECONV
Posted 2017-11-12 4:06 PM (#552118 - in reply to #552057)
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Wow nice find Great starting point .
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56D500boy
Posted 2017-11-12 5:10 PM (#552121 - in reply to #552057)
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Very nice.

Some inspiration:





Different one:




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60 Imp
Posted 2017-11-13 5:41 AM (#552134 - in reply to #552057)
Subject: RE: new project - 57 Dodge 2-door wagon


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I called Darryl's therapist today. She was just about to cut back his medication, then this Wagon happened..............

Oh well, time will tell.

Good luck, looks like a cracker car to hot rod! Really enjoyed the Convertible thread, and looking forward to seeing this one too.

As a member of your support group, the best I can do is give positive feedback!

Steve.

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RUSTORICHES
Posted 2017-11-29 10:10 PM (#553403 - in reply to #552057)
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It's definitely not your first time around the block as they say I love the original colour(patina) and your choice of power train is a good move. Most buyers in the market for these can relate to the gen 111 Hemi. a/t. I have a 57 4 dr. Dodge Suburban (Canadian made plodge) so the trim and body styline is a bit different They definitely are a conversion piece these days.
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mikes2nd
Posted 2017-11-29 10:23 PM (#553406 - in reply to #552057)
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that's not a project, that's a driver
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Darryl T
Posted 2017-11-30 4:32 PM (#553449 - in reply to #553406)
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It supposedly runs but I haven't tried it yet. Anyone need a very original looking 325 poly/torqueflite? Rearend? Front suspension?
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mstrug
Posted 2017-12-01 6:47 AM (#553473 - in reply to #552057)
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No intervention needed. We must protect these from the crusher at all costs. It doesn't hurt to have a couple extra in the project horde. Marc
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Swept57
Posted 2017-12-01 9:29 AM (#553475 - in reply to #552057)
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Nice find! But like the Plymouth business coupes, nobody is interested in restoring these 2-door wagons to stock.
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fast59desoto
Posted 2017-12-01 11:34 AM (#553487 - in reply to #552057)
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Great buy! i watched this one for awhile.
Im Selling my 57 D500 2dr wagon if your interested needs a complete restoration pm for info


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Darryl T
Posted 2018-11-18 1:54 PM (#573719 - in reply to #553487)
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Quick update - took the wagon to a local hot rod shop where we removed the body from the frame. Tomorrow the body goes out for media blasting, and the frame for sand blasting. Then they will commence body work while I put the suspension back on the frame and have them paint it (the frame). Finally going back together after months of disassembly. Note the '06 Chrysler 300 independent rearend is in place, awaiting final welding of the brackets now that the body is off. Also, the '06 Chrysler 14" front disc brakes have been adapted to the '57 front spindles, something I don't believe had ever been done before. That was costly, but worked out well. That will allow me to adapt the ABS if I want to.





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Darryl T
Posted 2018-12-28 2:06 PM (#575929 - in reply to #552057)
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Finally back from media blasting - lots more rust holes than anticipated. At least they will all be fixed properly. I just called RSR and they will supply the repair pieces needed.




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Powerflite
Posted 2018-12-28 6:40 PM (#575951 - in reply to #552057)
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Nice job. Nice that you can make the mods for the suspension to a separate frame. Makes it easier than dealing with a unibody. Beware of the RSR panels. Their quality has degraded quite a bit lately. From what I saw on the '60 Chrysler trunk pan, it was only slightly better than the other garbage available.
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Darryl T
Posted 2018-12-28 11:08 PM (#575954 - in reply to #575951)
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Powerflite - 2018-12-28 3:40 PM
Beware of the RSR panels. Their quality has degraded quite a bit lately. From what I saw on the '60 Chrysler trunk pan, it was only slightly better than the other garbage available.


I have been advised to avoid RCar and Black Car panels, and now RSR. I called Schotts and all they had was rocker panels, and based on the low price would be somewhat skeptical of their quality. I found some rocker panels at Vintage Parts Club but no idea of source or quality there. I have an inquiry in to Rocker King but no response yet, and cannot locate Scopan. So who would you recommend if not RSR?
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Powerflite
Posted 2018-12-29 2:20 AM (#575956 - in reply to #552057)
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It depends on what panels you are looking for. A couple of places can make good rocker panels. Schott is good. I have one of theirs on my New Yorker. RSR might make good rockers too, I'm not sure. But if you are looking for good floor pans, I didn't like what I saw. For floor pans, there is the guy in Finland that makes a good section where the seat mounts. But for most of the rest, you are better off making it yourself through a local company where you can control the specifics. Lennart in Sweden makes excellent panels, but shipping is expensive and the purchase price isn't cheap either.
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Darryl T
Posted 2019-01-26 10:23 PM (#577432 - in reply to #575956)
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Back home from having the body shot with sealer and the frame painted "chassis black" (can't do it myself as I'm very allergic to the fumes). Now the fun begins - ordered a rear sump oil pan, will drop the 5.7 hemi in after that arrives. 2006 Chrysler 300 14" front disc brakes and independent rear end in place.







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60 Imp
Posted 2019-01-27 5:54 AM (#577440 - in reply to #552057)
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Looks impressive already. Steve
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Powerflite
Posted 2019-01-27 9:18 AM (#577445 - in reply to #552057)
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The original motor used a center sump. I don’t think that a rear sump will work out as well on it.
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Darryl T
Posted 2019-01-27 10:49 PM (#577481 - in reply to #577445)
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Powerflite - 2019-01-27 6:18 AM

The original motor used a center sump. I don’t think that a rear sump will work out as well on it.


The original motor was a rear sump. The Gen III 5.7 hemi is a front sump. Unless I want to sit it on top of the crossmember(s) it has to be converted to a rear sump. Basic hotrodding 101.
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Powerflite
Posted 2019-01-28 12:21 AM (#577484 - in reply to #552057)
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Why do you think the original motor was a rear sump? I have them in front of me and they are center sump. If you try to do a rear sump, it will sit on top of the steering linkage.
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Darryl T
Posted 2019-01-28 9:23 PM (#577536 - in reply to #577484)
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Powerflite - 2019-01-27 9:21 PM

Why do you think the original motor was a rear sump? I have them in front of me and they are center sump. If you try to do a rear sump, it will sit on top of the steering linkage.


darn I hate when this happens. Due to my 69 years on earth, or maybe to working on Chevys for most of that time, I could have sworn the Dodge had a rear sump pan. I checked photos of the motors in both of my '57s, and even crawled under the convert with a flashlight, and son of a gun it is a center sump. I apologize for assuming I knew more than I did. I still think a rear sump is the way to go but for now it's a moot point - the pan I ordered is on back order with no time frame for shipment, so I cancelled the order. I think I'll try to drop it in with the stock front sump pan in place; assuming that won't work I'll then try it with no pan and see how it fits with the steering etc. Others have made it work so there has to be a way. Suggestions?
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oldwood
Posted 2019-02-04 4:38 AM (#577809 - in reply to #552057)
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When RSR started making pans I thought all our sheetmetal problems were being addressed. I hope his sheetmetal issues are being corrected. Nice 2dr wagon.








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Darryl T
Posted 2019-02-05 1:35 AM (#577859 - in reply to #577809)
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oldwood - 2019-02-04 1:38 AM

When RSR started making pans I thought all our sheetmetal problems were being addressed. I hope his sheetmetal issues are being corrected. Nice 2dr wagon.


Thanks. As for RSR, we shall see. I just ordered from them a full set of 6 floor pan pieces, custom made to include extra material toward the tunnel and eliminate the throttle pedal hump. I got rockers from The Rocker King and they look pretty good, but lack the indent at the front end. He had some NOS rockers that did have the indent but they carried Plymouth part numbers which differed from the Dodge ones. If I could have examined them in person I might have used them anyway.
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