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Darryl T
Posted 2017-11-11 1:53 PM (#552057)
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Thursday I picked up this '57 Dodge Suburban 2-door wagon just north of Sacramento. I had been watching it from afar for over 3 years. Since the '57 Dodge convert and '81 supercharged DeLorean are finished I needed a new project, so decided to go for it. I restored the convert as accurately as I could, but being an old hotrodder this wagon will be getting a slight update using current Chrysler 300/Dodge Charger drivetrain - gen III hemi, a/t, independent rearend, etc. This makes the 3rd '57 Dodge I have dragged home from CA in less than 4 years. Probably time for an intervention...





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uncltank
Posted 2017-11-11 2:18 PM (#552061 - in reply to #552057)
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Congratulations... Looks like a fine wagon. Post more pics when you get a chance...
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Posted 2017-11-11 3:21 PM (#552066 - in reply to #552057)
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Wagons ROCK, hot rod wagons REALLY ROCK! No intervention required, you are perfectly normal.
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Posted 2017-11-12 4:06 PM (#552118 - in reply to #552057)
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Posted 2017-11-12 5:10 PM (#552121 - in reply to #552057)
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Very nice.

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60 Imp
Posted 2017-11-13 5:41 AM (#552134 - in reply to #552057)
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I called Darryl's therapist today. She was just about to cut back his medication, then this Wagon happened..............

Oh well, time will tell.

Good luck, looks like a cracker car to hot rod! Really enjoyed the Convertible thread, and looking forward to seeing this one too.

As a member of your support group, the best I can do is give positive feedback!

Steve.

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RUSTORICHES
Posted 2017-11-29 10:10 PM (#553403 - in reply to #552057)
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It's definitely not your first time around the block as they say I love the original colour(patina) and your choice of power train is a good move. Most buyers in the market for these can relate to the gen 111 Hemi. a/t. I have a 57 4 dr. Dodge Suburban (Canadian made plodge) so the trim and body styline is a bit different They definitely are a conversion piece these days.
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Posted 2017-11-29 10:23 PM (#553406 - in reply to #552057)
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that's not a project, that's a driver
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Darryl T
Posted 2017-11-30 4:32 PM (#553449 - in reply to #553406)
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It supposedly runs but I haven't tried it yet. Anyone need a very original looking 325 poly/torqueflite? Rearend? Front suspension?
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mstrug
Posted 2017-12-01 6:47 AM (#553473 - in reply to #552057)
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No intervention needed. We must protect these from the crusher at all costs. It doesn't hurt to have a couple extra in the project horde. Marc
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Posted 2017-12-01 9:29 AM (#553475 - in reply to #552057)
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Nice find! But like the Plymouth business coupes, nobody is interested in restoring these 2-door wagons to stock.
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Posted 2017-12-01 11:34 AM (#553487 - in reply to #552057)
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Great buy! i watched this one for awhile.
Im Selling my 57 D500 2dr wagon if your interested needs a complete restoration pm for info


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Darryl T
Posted 2018-11-18 1:54 PM (#573719 - in reply to #553487)
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Quick update - took the wagon to a local hot rod shop where we removed the body from the frame. Tomorrow the body goes out for media blasting, and the frame for sand blasting. Then they will commence body work while I put the suspension back on the frame and have them paint it (the frame). Finally going back together after months of disassembly. Note the '06 Chrysler 300 independent rearend is in place, awaiting final welding of the brackets now that the body is off. Also, the '06 Chrysler 14" front disc brakes have been adapted to the '57 front spindles, something I don't believe had ever been done before. That was costly, but worked out well. That will allow me to adapt the ABS if I want to.





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Darryl T
Posted 2018-12-28 2:06 PM (#575929 - in reply to #552057)
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Finally back from media blasting - lots more rust holes than anticipated. At least they will all be fixed properly. I just called RSR and they will supply the repair pieces needed.




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Powerflite
Posted 2018-12-28 6:40 PM (#575951 - in reply to #552057)
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Nice job. Nice that you can make the mods for the suspension to a separate frame. Makes it easier than dealing with a unibody. Beware of the RSR panels. Their quality has degraded quite a bit lately. From what I saw on the '60 Chrysler trunk pan, it was only slightly better than the other garbage available.
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Darryl T
Posted 2018-12-28 11:08 PM (#575954 - in reply to #575951)
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Powerflite - 2018-12-28 3:40 PM
Beware of the RSR panels. Their quality has degraded quite a bit lately. From what I saw on the '60 Chrysler trunk pan, it was only slightly better than the other garbage available.


I have been advised to avoid RCar and Black Car panels, and now RSR. I called Schotts and all they had was rocker panels, and based on the low price would be somewhat skeptical of their quality. I found some rocker panels at Vintage Parts Club but no idea of source or quality there. I have an inquiry in to Rocker King but no response yet, and cannot locate Scopan. So who would you recommend if not RSR?
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Posted 2018-12-29 2:20 AM (#575956 - in reply to #552057)
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It depends on what panels you are looking for. A couple of places can make good rocker panels. Schott is good. I have one of theirs on my New Yorker. RSR might make good rockers too, I'm not sure. But if you are looking for good floor pans, I didn't like what I saw. For floor pans, there is the guy in Finland that makes a good section where the seat mounts. But for most of the rest, you are better off making it yourself through a local company where you can control the specifics. Lennart in Sweden makes excellent panels, but shipping is expensive and the purchase price isn't cheap either.
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Darryl T
Posted 2019-01-26 10:23 PM (#577432 - in reply to #575956)
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Back home from having the body shot with sealer and the frame painted "chassis black" (can't do it myself as I'm very allergic to the fumes). Now the fun begins - ordered a rear sump oil pan, will drop the 5.7 hemi in after that arrives. 2006 Chrysler 300 14" front disc brakes and independent rear end in place.







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60 Imp
Posted 2019-01-27 5:54 AM (#577440 - in reply to #552057)
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Looks impressive already. Steve
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Powerflite
Posted 2019-01-27 9:18 AM (#577445 - in reply to #552057)
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The original motor used a center sump. I don’t think that a rear sump will work out as well on it.
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Darryl T
Posted 2019-01-27 10:49 PM (#577481 - in reply to #577445)
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Powerflite - 2019-01-27 6:18 AM

The original motor used a center sump. I don’t think that a rear sump will work out as well on it.


The original motor was a rear sump. The Gen III 5.7 hemi is a front sump. Unless I want to sit it on top of the crossmember(s) it has to be converted to a rear sump. Basic hotrodding 101.
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Posted 2019-01-28 12:21 AM (#577484 - in reply to #552057)
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Why do you think the original motor was a rear sump? I have them in front of me and they are center sump. If you try to do a rear sump, it will sit on top of the steering linkage.
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Darryl T
Posted 2019-01-28 9:23 PM (#577536 - in reply to #577484)
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Powerflite - 2019-01-27 9:21 PM

Why do you think the original motor was a rear sump? I have them in front of me and they are center sump. If you try to do a rear sump, it will sit on top of the steering linkage.


darn I hate when this happens. Due to my 69 years on earth, or maybe to working on Chevys for most of that time, I could have sworn the Dodge had a rear sump pan. I checked photos of the motors in both of my '57s, and even crawled under the convert with a flashlight, and son of a gun it is a center sump. I apologize for assuming I knew more than I did. I still think a rear sump is the way to go but for now it's a moot point - the pan I ordered is on back order with no time frame for shipment, so I cancelled the order. I think I'll try to drop it in with the stock front sump pan in place; assuming that won't work I'll then try it with no pan and see how it fits with the steering etc. Others have made it work so there has to be a way. Suggestions?
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Posted 2019-02-04 4:38 AM (#577809 - in reply to #552057)
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When RSR started making pans I thought all our sheetmetal problems were being addressed. I hope his sheetmetal issues are being corrected. Nice 2dr wagon.








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Darryl T
Posted 2019-02-05 1:35 AM (#577859 - in reply to #577809)
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oldwood - 2019-02-04 1:38 AM

When RSR started making pans I thought all our sheetmetal problems were being addressed. I hope his sheetmetal issues are being corrected. Nice 2dr wagon.


Thanks. As for RSR, we shall see. I just ordered from them a full set of 6 floor pan pieces, custom made to include extra material toward the tunnel and eliminate the throttle pedal hump. I got rockers from The Rocker King and they look pretty good, but lack the indent at the front end. He had some NOS rockers that did have the indent but they carried Plymouth part numbers which differed from the Dodge ones. If I could have examined them in person I might have used them anyway.
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mikes2nd
Posted 2019-04-02 12:07 AM (#580274 - in reply to #552057)
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his prices are pretty good and his quality is way better than c2c... your only other option.

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Darryl T
Posted 2019-04-02 12:22 AM (#580275 - in reply to #577809)
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oldwood - 2019-02-04 1:38 AM

When RSR started making pans I thought all our sheetmetal problems were being addressed. I hope his sheetmetal issues are being corrected. Nice 2dr wagon.


Just got my RSR floor panels that I ordered 1/28. While the quality looks good, the fit is going to take a lot of massaging. We had agreed on a custom set - no removable panel for steering box removal, no throttle pedal hump, extra material next to the transmission hump (driver's side). What I got was the standard set. Communication does not seem to be the best. But what are the alternatives? Car came with a set of Rcar panels which were poor quality at best.




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Posted 2019-04-02 2:53 PM (#580302 - in reply to #552057)
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Nice job you've done.
Do RSR have a website?
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Posted 2019-04-02 3:58 PM (#580303 - in reply to #580302)
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ToMopar - 2019-04-02 11:53 AM
Do RSR have a website?


This is information, not an endorsement of either company YMMV:

https://www.facebook.com/RealSteelReplacments/

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61imp
Posted 2019-04-03 10:57 AM (#580332 - in reply to #552057)
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On the subject of floor pans, I recently bought a parts lot from a failed '59 Plymouth restoration, and it came with aftermarket floorpans from Auto Body Specialties out of Connecticut. They seem descent, I'm not sure if they're still in business. The seat track pans seem too deep, would that be for power seats? It looks like they put some effort in making them, the shipping label was from 2006 and cost $1900!!!!! for 8 pieces

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57burb
Posted 2019-04-03 12:24 PM (#580341 - in reply to #580303)
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That is a really terrific looking set of floor pans. Obviously I don't know how they fit though. That company is still in business. I didn't see any classic car panels on their site, but the Imperial club still lists them as a vendor. http://autobodyspecialt.com/

For '59, the power seat cars used the same flat floor that had been used on the '57-59 manual seat cars. Only the '57-58 power seat cars had the deep troughs, and those pictured do not seem quite as deep (hard to say). Here is a '57 power seat trough for comparison.

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61imp
Posted 2019-04-04 7:33 PM (#580392 - in reply to #552057)
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Mine measures 1/2" in the front and 1 1/8" deep at the rear of the seat trough, your pic looks deeper than that, maybe they were made to work with either.
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Posted 2019-04-04 9:32 PM (#580397 - in reply to #552057)
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Awsome project! I like the modern drive train in a classic car. Using the IRS rear solves 2 of the problems I had going this route. The abs signal and gear ratio. Not big problems but problems you won't have. I'm assuming you are going to use the harness and computers from the donor car? Keep posting progress, thanks!
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Posted 2019-04-16 12:48 AM (#580956 - in reply to #552057)
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I am really getting slow ... just realized that this is YOUR project in my neck of the woods. I drive by Richardson's all the time on my way to Pacific Beach.

Looking good!
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Posted 2019-04-16 10:36 AM (#580968 - in reply to #552057)
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I bought a set of floorpans off him. He is the guy who was trying to sell his presses, he uses wooden bucks. He moved to Georgia now.

His floorpans were okay, they needed massaging also but i didnt get any seat braces but overall pretty good.

I would just go with real steel replacements(he's on facebook).
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Darryl T
Posted 2019-04-16 1:19 PM (#580972 - in reply to #580956)
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AceS - 2019-04-15 9:48 PM

I am really getting slow ... just realized that this is YOUR project in my neck of the woods. I drive by Richardson's all the time on my way to Pacific Beach.

Looking good!


If you have been going from Seattle to Pacific Beach then you have been going right by my front door, on hwy 8.

I've known Don and Irene Richardson for close to 40 years but had never had him do any work on my cars. He has a lot of photos of my wagon on his website http://www.richardsoncustomautobody.com/1957_Dodge_Suburban.html. I had him shoot the body with sealer and paint the frame after I had them blasted. He charged me way more than what I paid for the whole car. I won't be doing that again.

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Darryl T
Posted 2019-04-16 1:24 PM (#580973 - in reply to #580968)
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I would just go with real steel replacements(he's on facebook).


I ordered floor panels from him in January, have still not gotten them all. Plus what I did get was not what we had agreed on. But quality was ok.

I got long rocker panels from Rocker King - nice.

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Darryl T
Posted 2019-05-10 11:11 PM (#582008 - in reply to #580973)
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Darryl T - 2019-04-16 10:24 AM

mikes2nd - 2019-04-16 7:36 AM


I would just go with real steel replacements(he's on facebook).


I ordered floor panels from him in January, have still not gotten them all. Plus what I did get was not what we had agreed on. But quality was ok.

Finally after 4 months I got all the floor pieces from RSR. Communication with him was a challenge - we would agree to something and then he would ship a couple of pieces but not what we agreed to. The RF was an inch too narrow - in order for the body bolt hole to match up I had to add an inch of metal on the outside. The tunnel side did not include extra material as agreed. The R middle piece was wide enough but again lacked the extra toward the tunnel. The RR piece lacked the recess for the body bolt hole. Since I also got the 90 degree brackets that fit above that hole the recess was necessary. I talked him into sending another set of rears with the proper cup-shaped depression, but these have their own problems. The lip at the back is 90 degrees but only 3/4" high. They need to be 45 degrees and 1 1/4" high. But the worst part is he failed to include the recess at the front for the back end of the seat rail, something the first set had. In the first photo below, the first rear panel is on top of the replacement one - note the difference. The other two photos show how much I had to add to the middle and front pieces.

I haven't started on the left side yet, but the left front RSR piece is so poor I may use the old Rcar panel that came with the car. Overall, I'm not very happy with the amount of modification necessary before the RSR pieces can be installed.



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Darryl T
Posted 2019-06-17 12:58 PM (#583575 - in reply to #582008)
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Finally got the floor replaced - 6 RSR panels and two that I hand fabricated. It was a huge job getting them to all fit but turned out well.
Now on to other things - first up is to lift the body off the frame and fix the placement of the new body mounts that the hot rod shop screwed up.
Then I think I'll start mounting the brake m/c and power adjustable pedals. Also need to finish stripping the 2006 Chrysler 300 donor and get
its hulk out of here.
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Posted 2019-06-18 1:23 PM (#583645 - in reply to #552057)
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I agree that floors are a pain. If it had not been for a friend teaching metals at the local high school and having a beadroller, I would have been stuck.
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