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w.weiland
Posted 2017-12-10 9:06 AM (#554024)
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Came across this. Extremely solid no rot anywhere runs drives has 39k original miles. Should i buy it????Its very very tempting



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moparsteve
Posted 2017-12-10 9:32 AM (#554025 - in reply to #554024)
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yes you should clean it up gen maint. drive it wknds good price?
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Posted 2017-12-10 11:37 AM (#554029 - in reply to #554025)
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moparsteve - 2017-12-10 7:32 AM

yes you should clean it up gen maint. drive it wknds good price?


What he said ^
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Powerflite
Posted 2017-12-10 11:54 AM (#554032 - in reply to #554024)
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Posted 2017-12-10 12:17 PM (#554033 - in reply to #554024)
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I agree you should buy it. What condition is the car [like plywood, good onside] or better? Is this a Coronet or Royal and what's the guy asking……or should I ask that.You can pm me the answer…….LOL. All the forwardlookers will want to see more pics as well as me. Good Luck with your adventure
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Posted 2017-12-10 12:44 PM (#554035 - in reply to #554024)
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Posted 2017-12-10 3:01 PM (#554041 - in reply to #554024)
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no fair, how do you find that stuff!

I'm welding my trunk up right now...
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w.weiland
Posted 2017-12-10 4:13 PM (#554044 - in reply to #554024)
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The car is a Royal. Its all original paint, interior is nice except drivers side seat. 4bbl car. no PB. I committed to it yes. May just buff it hammer & dolly fenders back into shape. And drive it
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Posted 2017-12-10 5:31 PM (#554046 - in reply to #554024)
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Posted 2017-12-10 6:44 PM (#554050 - in reply to #554024)
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Is it out of Ohio?
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Posted 2017-12-10 9:20 PM (#554065 - in reply to #554024)
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I'd only clean it up....its only original once....keep it that way for as long as you can....you'd be amazed how good they can clean up with just a couple of days of elbow grease...buy a machine buffer and give it a heavy cut and polish...go for it!
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Posted 2017-12-11 6:56 AM (#554075 - in reply to #554024)
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Posted 2017-12-11 6:59 PM (#554105 - in reply to #554075)
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mstrug - 2017-12-11 6:56 AM

OMG and there is a convertible behind it too!


No convertible in there. few other 57/8 Dodges tho
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Posted 2017-12-11 8:21 PM (#554116 - in reply to #554024)
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I know where you can 57 Dodge Mayfair convert………………….LOL if you're seriously looking
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w.weiland
Posted 2018-01-11 5:59 PM (#556074 - in reply to #554024)
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Welllllll............ i bought it
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mikes2nd
Posted 2018-01-11 11:26 PM (#556083 - in reply to #554024)
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w.weiland
Posted 2018-01-14 3:20 PM (#556225 - in reply to #554024)
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You know its really unbelievable how solid this car is. Got a question tho emblem on trunklid has the knight head looking like a check mark. What does that mean
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Posted 2018-01-14 5:14 PM (#556233 - in reply to #556225)
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w.weiland - 2018-01-14 3:20 PM

You know its really unbelievable how solid this car is. Got a question tho emblem on trunklid has the knight head looking like a check mark. What does that mean


Emblem refers to base engine. Nice find!
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w.weiland
Posted 2018-01-14 6:55 PM (#556246 - in reply to #554024)
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So the base engine is a 325 4bbl
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Posted 2018-01-14 7:23 PM (#556247 - in reply to #556246)
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Wouldn't the "base" engine be a 6 cylinder or was the 6 only available in Coronet cars?
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Posted 2018-01-14 7:49 PM (#556249 - in reply to #556247)
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Finsinthemirror - 2018-01-14 7:23 PM
Wouldn't the "base" engine be a 6 cylinder or was the 6 only available in Coronet cars?


I think the way it worked was the base engine in the 57 Custom Royal was a 8.5:1 compression 4 bbl 325 hemi V8 (not to be confused with the 9.25:1 4bbl 325 hemi D-500 engine). The Royal and Coronet V8 and the wagons came with a standard V8 which I *think* was a 2bbl 325 poly.

Only the Coronet Six got the flathead six standard.

But I could be wrong. I always thought that a hemi in a 57 meant it was a D-500. Not so, or so I learn by reading this:

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Finsinthemirror
Posted 2018-01-14 8:26 PM (#556250 - in reply to #556249)
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The car Wayne is referring to is a Royal, not a CRL flagship top-of-the-line model. From my many conversations with D500Neil my understanding of the available V8 engine configurations were 230 inline six cylinder, 325 poly 2bbl single ex, 325 poly 2bbl dual exhaust, 325 power-pack 4bbl dual exhausts, and the D500 which is the HEMI 325 4bbl dual exhausts or the "super" D500 325 HEMI dual quad - dual exhausts. My old convertible was originally a 325 poly 2bbl dual exhaust car, no badges on the decklid.

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56D500boy
Posted 2018-01-14 9:24 PM (#556251 - in reply to #556250)
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Finsinthemirror - 2018-01-14 8:26 PM
The car Wayne is referring to is a Royal, not a CRL flagship top-of-the-line model. From my many conversations with D500Neil my understanding of the available V8 engine configurations were 230 inline six cylinder, 325 poly 2bbl single ex, 325 poly 2bbl dual exhaust, 325 power-pack 4bbl dual exhausts, and the D500 which is the HEMI 325 4bbl dual exhausts or the "super" D500 325 HEMI dual quad - dual exhausts. My old convertible was originally a 325 poly 2bbl dual exhaust car, no badges on the decklid.


Your list makes complete sense to me. It was the brochure info that messed with *my* head, i.e. a non-D500 hemi? Really?

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Posted 2018-01-14 9:48 PM (#556256 - in reply to #554024)
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No offense but I think you misread. The ad you posted states in the description of the "D-500 engine" that "all specifications same as super d-500 except horsepower and torque ratings and single 4bbl carb." If the specifications are the same then the D-500 engine is also a "full hemishperical combustion chamber with double rocker arms." I completely agree with the layout and how the reference those motors is.. unique let's say.
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Posted 2018-01-14 10:11 PM (#556257 - in reply to #556250)
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From the time Dodge got their first Hemi, the division had a
whole bouquet of flowery names for their engines. Predictably,
their Slowpoke-Six rarely saw installs outside of the bare bones
examples of the base line Coronet, while the performance engines
got scattered throughout the models, based on a buyer's ability
and interest to pay for an upscale model, or a cheaper model
with the go-fast equipment optioned on. The names for the
mid-line engines are often comical. "Aircraft Type" ? Sooper
Dooper Double-Extra Red Ram ? All this for an anemic, under-
carbed 2bbl V-8 ? Yeah ... Some of that 50's stuff was pretty
silly. I wonder if adult buyers of the day honestly sucked up
that stuff as meaningful ?
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56D500boy
Posted 2018-01-15 1:07 AM (#556263 - in reply to #556256)
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Finsinthemirror - 2018-01-14 9:48 PM
No offense but I think you misread. The ad you posted states in the description of the "D-500 engine" that "all specifications same as super d-500 except horsepower and torque ratings and single 4bbl carb." If the specifications are the same then the D-500 engine is also a "full hemishperical combustion chamber with double rocker arms." I completely agree with the layout and how the reference those motors is.. unique let's say.


No offense but read this again about the non-D500 Custom Royal engine: (It states "hemi-spherical combustion chamber" .... and then slips in "single rocker arms"). So they fool the public (and me, on first reading) by omitting the "poly" bit in front of "hemi-spherical")





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56D500boy
Posted 2018-01-15 1:27 AM (#556265 - in reply to #556257)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2018-01-14 10:11 PM

From the time Dodge got their first Hemi, the division had a whole bouquet of flowery names for their engines. Predictably, their Slowpoke-Six rarely saw installs outside of the bare bones examples of the base line Coronet, while the performance engines got scattered throughout the models, based on a buyer's ability and interest to pay for an upscale model, or a cheaper model with the go-fast equipment optioned on. The names for the
mid-line engines are often comical. "Aircraft Type" ? Sooper Dooper Double-Extra Red Ram ? All this for an anemic, under-carbed 2bbl V-8 ? Yeah ... Some of that 50's stuff was pretty silly. I wonder if adult buyers of the day honestly sucked up that stuff as meaningful ?


Can't disagree with you on this one Doc. What got me (and maybe tricked me) was any other reference that I have seen to "aircraft type" engine referred to *only* the early hemi engines.

Presumably this was based on the XI-2220 Hemi V-16: first Chrysler engine with a Hemi head design



REF: https://www.allpar.com/mopar/hemi-aircraft.html





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Finsinthemirror
Posted 2018-01-15 3:40 AM (#556268 - in reply to #556265)
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Yep you're right, I was looking at the difference between the 2 D500 motors in the ad. My bad..
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Posted 2018-01-15 6:35 AM (#556271 - in reply to #554024)
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my 57 royal with the checkmark V had a 325 2 barrell, post some more pics, rockers are okay?



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w.weiland
Posted 2018-01-15 8:40 AM (#556274 - in reply to #554024)
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this all pics i currently have of the car. once i buff it i will present more



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Posted 2018-01-15 10:59 AM (#556285 - in reply to #554024)
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So the checkmark emblem denotes a base level motor? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. What emblem would it get if the car came with a 4bbl? Or do you mean that all non-D500 Royal & Custom Royal vehicles received this emblem?
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christine-lover
Posted 2018-01-15 11:22 AM (#556287 - in reply to #556285)
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Powerflite - 2018-01-15 10:59 AM

So the checkmark emblem denotes a base level motor? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. What emblem would it get if the car came with a 4bbl? Or do you mean that all non-D500 Royal & Custom Royal vehicles received this emblem?


Base engine in Royal and Custom Royal series.
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56D500boy
Posted 2018-01-15 12:02 PM (#556289 - in reply to #556287)
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Powerflite - 2018-01-15 10:59 AM
So the checkmark emblem denotes a base level motor? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. What emblem would it get if the car came with a 4bbl? Or do you mean that all non-D500 Royal & Custom Royal vehicles received this emblem?

Base engine in Royal and Custom Royal series.


I think it comes down to the V "check" = non-D500 V8 (of some poly configuration) engine, as in, if the car had a six, it wouldn't have the "check" and if it had the D500 engine, there would be no V "check" but there would be a D500 badge





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Posted 2018-01-15 12:20 PM (#556291 - in reply to #554024)
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Posted 2018-01-15 12:34 PM (#556296 - in reply to #554024)
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that car is clone of my royal... 325 2 barrel, manual bakes and manual steering.

those fender dent suck... looks like someone crammed it on too small of a fender.

Yeah I think the V checkmark denotes V8. any non D500 v8 but I think this was only a "royal" option. You dont see it on coronets.
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Posted 2018-01-15 12:49 PM (#556299 - in reply to #556289)
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Powerflite - 2018-01-15 10:59 AM
So the checkmark emblem denotes a base level motor? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. What emblem would it get if the car came with a 4bbl? Or do you mean that all non-D500 Royal & Custom Royal vehicles received this emblem?

Base engine in Royal and Custom Royal series.


I think it comes down to the V "check" = non-D500 V8 (of some poly configuration) engine, as in, if the car had a six, it wouldn't have the "check" and if it had the D500 engine, there would be no V "check" but there would be a D500 badge



Note that one couldn’t get a six cylinder in a Royal or Custom Royal. So the base engine in those higher series would have gotten the V check unless upgraded to a D500.

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Posted 2018-01-15 1:24 PM (#556306 - in reply to #554024)
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The point is Matt, that there are different levels of poly V8. This V-check would have applied to all of them within the Royal model.
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56D500boy
Posted 2018-01-15 2:52 PM (#556311 - in reply to #556299)
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Trying to make sense of all of the above, I have created a spreadsheet, which I will modify and repost based on input from you guys, provided the new information can be substantiated.

There are some obvious gaps or confusions, as indicated in highlighter yellow.

Version 1:



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mikes2nd
Posted 2018-01-15 4:11 PM (#556321 - in reply to #554024)
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my 57 royal with the V, 2 brl had a single exhaust... unmolested all original car. It didn't have the spear on the glove box either, plain.
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Posted 2018-01-15 4:55 PM (#556331 - in reply to #556321)
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mikes2nd - 2018-01-15 4:11 PM
my 57 royal with the V, 2 brl had a single exhaust... unmolested all original car. It didn't have the spear on the glove box either, plain.


That is my understanding, i.e. 2bbl carb on a V8 = single exhaust but as soon as the 4 bbl was ordered (perhaps as a "Power Pack" upgrade), the dual exhaust was mandatory/a given.

I am not going to get into glove box spears. That is too detailed for me.

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Posted 2018-02-06 12:18 AM (#557593 - in reply to #554024)
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The "v" check mark was for the power pack 4bl engine with dual exhaust
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