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Expert Posts: 2009  | . Unfortunately the picture only. No info about the car. It’s interesting for myself… And another picture of ’56 DeSoto, if you need. Bad to see, but probably SG4 car too. No info about this car too… (1.jpg) Attachments ----------------  1.jpg (161KB - 507 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 2009 | . Do you have a data plate (or info like in your table) of cars with manual trans? Can you show me a full row for A/C cars in your table? (highlighted in yellow) (get-attachment.jpg) Attachments ---------------- get-attachment.jpg (73KB - 479 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1049 Location: PL / EU | De Soto https://desoto.org/community/discussion/new-desoto-owner-with-questi... SG 4 M5 2 M6 2 M8 4 M9 3 SCHED 1011 NO 4015 MODEL S23 BT 026 PT 411 TR 568 (des pink.JPG) Attachments ---------------- des pink.JPG (73KB - 474 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1049 Location: PL / EU | frwl - 2020-02-14 10:29 PM . Do you have a data plate (or info like in your table) of cars with manual trans? Can you show me a full row for A/C cars in your table? (highlighted in yellow) sorry, no info about the manual trans updated full list in attachment Attachments ---------------- 56LA.xlsx (17KB - 443 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10153   Location: Lower Mainland BC | RDP - 2020-02-15 9:23 AM sorry, no info about the manual trans I am in contact with two people with real D500-1 "race" cars, i.e. heavy duty chassis, 5.5 x 5 hubs and real Imperial brakes and manual transmissions (with overdrive). I have seen both of the IBM cards and can confirm that their transmission code is "2" as in 332 on the IBM card. I think that "1" as in 331 = 3 spd manual but no over drive. The problem is both of these D500-1s are Detroit cars, i.e. VIN 35......, and therefore their cowl data tag is different than the LA tags that you two (Igor and Robert) seem to have found the most.  | ||
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Expert Posts: 2009 | . Thank you Robert, I got your excel table. Are you sure 100% about this Plymouth (row#14) has equipped with A/C? I have a picture of cowl tag of this car (see picture below), but no info about equipment… Some correction to DeSoto in row# 16: You forgot to note Power Seat in «other option» column; Sched No. 0227 must be 4028 instead 4026 in «info» column (see picture below) That is a question: Power Seat option is not stamped on the cowl tag… (Is this AC car.jpg) (Power Seat 4 Way.JPG) (Sched No 0227_4028.JPG) Attachments ---------------- Is this AC car.jpg (147KB - 482 downloads) Power Seat 4 Way.JPG (105KB - 502 downloads) Sched No 0227_4028.JPG (101KB - 495 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 2009 | . Robert: A well equipped DeSoto Fireflite Sportsman to your «collection»… Of course with cowl tag and serial number pictured… Power Steering Power Brakes Power Windows Power Seat Heater Air Conditioning 5 Push Button Radio with Rear Shelf Speaker (bad to see behind rear seat on the picture# 4) Dual Rear Antennas Solex Glass at all window areas plus Windshield Upper Molding Dual Clock – on the dash panel and in the steering wheel hub Dual Outside Rear View Mirrors and Inside One Kelsey Hayes Wire Wheels, etc… The pictures says for itself… (1.JPG) (2.JPG) (3.JPG) (4.JPG) (5.JPG) (6.JPG) (7.JPG) (8.JPG) (9.JPG) (10.JPG) Attachments ---------------- 1.JPG (105KB - 467 downloads) 2.JPG (108KB - 494 downloads) 3.JPG (104KB - 475 downloads) 4.JPG (107KB - 473 downloads) 5.JPG (107KB - 493 downloads) 6.JPG (110KB - 482 downloads) 7.JPG (126KB - 475 downloads) 8.JPG (134KB - 490 downloads) 9.JPG (59KB - 524 downloads) 10.JPG (47KB - 524 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10153 Location: Lower Mainland BC | . Igor and Robert: To be clear, that beautiful Desoto (some woman must have picked the colours, etc), did *NOT* leave the factory with Air Conditioning. The A/C compressor and air distribution system (hanging under the dash) are NOT OE. Makes me wonder what else was/is NOT OE. Look behind the steering wheel. OE A/C in 1956 had a huge unit in the trunk and scoops on the rear fender and ducting on the rear parcel tray  Edited by 56D500boy 2020-02-15 4:46 PM (1956MoparAccessoriesACpage_small.jpg) (56DodgeCustomRoyalD500WithAirConCompressorEtc.jpg) (56DodgeCustomRoyalD500WithAirConShowingAirScoops.jpg) (ACVentsAndRadioSpeakerIn1956Imperial.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 1956MoparAccessoriesACpage_small.jpg (215KB - 481 downloads) 56DodgeCustomRoyalD500WithAirConCompressorEtc.jpg (55KB - 485 downloads) 56DodgeCustomRoyalD500WithAirConShowingAirScoops.jpg (48KB - 460 downloads) ACVentsAndRadioSpeakerIn1956Imperial.jpg (102KB - 465 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 2009 | . I looking in old thread and found this: http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=23448&... The man who bought Golden Royal Lancer describes his car: «It has no radio, thus a radio delete plate, no power steering or no power brakes. Does have a heater/defroster and that is about it.» «It is indeed the powerflite 2 speed automatic.» So, let’s see to the attached picture of the cowl tag: SG=1, M2=4 and M8=3 (see picture below) We are discussed above SG=1 (Solex Glass) and guessed that M8=3 (Powerflite)… Maybe M2=4 is a Heater? I compared 4 to 1956 Plymouth Codes sheet… The Heater has code 354!!! I do scroll down this tread and found another else Golden Lancer cowl tag: SG=1, M2=4 and M8=3 (M9=3 too) Again: No PS, no PB, but it has Tinted Glass (SG=1), Powerflite (M8=3) and Heater… M2=4 Take a closer look to Dave’s cowl tag: SG=1, M1=8, and M2=empty; and South Carolina cowl tag: SG=1, M1=7, and M2=empty Both cars have heaters, but M2 is empty: they should be M2=4. But Dave’s car has three accessory groups, one of these (Basic) includes a heater. It has power steering and power brakes also, as a South Carolina car. So, maybe M1=8 means PS, PB, and three accessory groups, and maybe M1=7 means PS, PB, and two accessory group (one of these should be Basic) I am continuing and now… Kelly’s (aka Rusty Fender) cowl tag: SG=1, M1=5, M2=4 and M8=3 (M9=8 too) I have no photo of engine bay, but I think the heater is present: M2=4. Now about M1=5 (Any accessory group, as I guessing above): Why do they stamping M2=4, if Accessory Groups M1=5 are present? Answer is simply: The car has accessory group (or groups) but not including a BASIC group with Heater… It has Convenience or Appearance group. Thus, if this is not PS and PB car – column M1 is empty M1=empty and M2=4 is a heater only M1=5 and M2=4 is a Convenience or Appearance Group singly or both and Heater (no Basic Group) M1=7 and no M2 is a Basic Group and one of two: Convenience or Appearance M1=8 and no M2 is a Basic Group, Convenience Group and Appearance Group By the way: M1=7 and M1=8 cars have equipped with PS and PB both M1=5 – hard to see, although on the steering wheel in the cabin picture, just on the right to Dodge badge we can see a Power Steering script… so my theory is confirms. Anyway: need to see a picture of the engine bay… (Golden Lancer No. 1.jpg) (Golden Lancer No. 2.jpg) (Dave's car an SC car.jpg) (Rusty Fender Cowl Tag.jpg) (Rusty Fender interior.jpg) Attachments ---------------- Golden Lancer No. 1.jpg (81KB - 427 downloads) Golden Lancer No. 2.jpg (39KB - 442 downloads) Dave's car an SC car.jpg (111KB - 431 downloads) Rusty Fender Cowl Tag.jpg (92KB - 425 downloads) Rusty Fender interior.jpg (94KB - 431 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10153 Location: Lower Mainland BC | . Igor: I will need to take some time to digest what you said. In the meantime, I need to add that the SC 56 D500 Custom Royal Sedan (twin to mine, including colours and LA build) differs from mine on one important thing: it has Air Con. Not sure what that does to your interpretation but there it is. Good luck  (56DodgeD500CustomRoyal4drSedanBlueOnBlue_2_small.jpg) (56DodgeD500CustomRoyal4drSedanBlueOnBlue_EngineBay_small.jpg) (56DodgeD500CustomRoyal4drSedanBlueOnBlue_5_small.jpg) (56DodgeD500CustomRoyal4drSedanBlueOnBlue_4_small.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 56DodgeD500CustomRoyal4drSedanBlueOnBlue_2_small.jpg (134KB - 439 downloads) 56DodgeD500CustomRoyal4drSedanBlueOnBlue_EngineBay_small.jpg (149KB - 440 downloads) 56DodgeD500CustomRoyal4drSedanBlueOnBlue_5_small.jpg (130KB - 461 downloads) 56DodgeD500CustomRoyal4drSedanBlueOnBlue_4_small.jpg (80KB - 418 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1049 Location: PL / EU | Igor, if your theory works, it should be assumed that the cars from columns 8 and 11 do not have PB and PS? It doesn't seem to work for Plymouth (a1a56.JPG) Attachments ---------------- a1a56.JPG (97KB - 445 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1049 Location: PL / EU | Ok, I get it now. PB+PS+AG it makes sense, but how about it: I think the same scheme should be used for all brands. Not only Dodge. Am I right or wrong? So, standard equipment probably doesn't appear on the plate. I marked the stantard eq. in the table (s). New Yorkers have PB as standard, so M1 is empty. Windsor M1=1 (PB+PS). But PS in NY is not a standard. There is another situation in DeSotos. All cars have M1 empty. But most have PB, some cars PS. (a2a56.JPG) Attachments ---------------- a2a56.JPG (143KB - 429 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1049 Location: PL / EU | another NY https://www.ebay.com/itm/1956-Chrysler-New-Yorker/223972433883?hash=... oops I see that Igor found it too  SG=5, M3=5, M8=4 just like in a Dieter's car. Only M9 is different Edited by RDP 2020-04-09 3:02 PM (c72.JPG) Attachments ---------------- c72.JPG (106KB - 440 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 2009 | . So, if I have seen correctly: Schedule 0502 0201 – May 02, 1956 Mode C72 – New Yorker Body Type 045 = New Yorker 4 Door Sedan Paint – Cloud White (code 41) Trim – Black Nylon and Turquoise Brocatelle (Code 49) – non-leather interior That’s true Robert – it is like a Dieter’s car. So, what they have in common except body type, paint scheme and trim material: Arrived car: SG=5, M3=5, M8=4, M9=3 Dieter’s car: SG=5, M3=5, M8=4, M9=8 Power Steering – both have Power Brakes – both have Heater – both have 6 Button Radio – both have Antenna – both have Rear Seat Speaker – ??? Solex Glass throughout – both have Sun Cap Visor above Windshield – both have Windshield Washer – Dieter’s car only Left Outside Mirror – both have Right Outside Mirror – probably non-factory item on the arrived car Inside Mirror – not seen on the Dieter’s car… arrived car only So, what the difference between these cars? Dave, Robert, Nathan… any ideas by your opinion? Something wrong with the antenna in this car… Maybe it is optional EXTRA LONG antenna? If just assuming that M9 column means different combinations of the RADIO – ANTENNA – REAR SEAT SPEAKER: Radios: 6 Button or 5 Button Aerials: Manual, Extra Long, Dual or Power assisted Rear Seat Speaker: Yes or No (1.JPG) Attachments ---------------- 1.JPG (146KB - 424 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 2009 | . 1956 Chrysler Prices Dealer Sheet (1956 Prices.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 1956 Prices.jpg (240KB - 469 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 2009 | . Found this 1956 Dodge cowl tag picture here… http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=47333&... SG=1 M1=8 M2=4 M8=3 M9=4 Model D631 – Coronet Looks like Coronet Lancer Hardtop Coupe with V8 engine (Body 816) Couldn’t see a Paint Code… It has Deluxe Black Trim (Code 531) (1.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 1.jpg (89KB - 422 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 2009 | . This is a cowl tag picture of LA-build 1958 Coronet found here: http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=47333&... D500neil interpreted code M5=1 as Left Outside Rear View Mirror option (code 401 in 1958) Dave, your car has M5=2 option on the cowl tag; According to your 1955 Dodge codes spreadsheet, it might be LH Mirror too – code 402 (and probably in 1956) Robert’s Windsor Nassau does not have left mirror, but prismatic – does, and his cowl tag says M5=1 (code 401 in the spreadsheet) What do you think? (M5=1.jpg) Attachments ---------------- M5=1.jpg (46KB - 425 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9856  Location: So. Cal | His car also had power brakes, power steering, torqueflite, e-brake light, padded dash, heater, solex glass? & maybe deluxe interior. All of that just left off the data tag? My '58 Coronet also has a lone M5=1, and it had left mirror, power steering, torqueflite, radio, heater, solex glass & deluxe interior. Of all the options there why code just the mirror? But in comparing my car with his, we both have the same lousy information on the tag, but we have very different options on our cars, so it is obvious that LA tags in '58 became quite useless in determining what options the car has. Edited by Powerflite 2020-05-13 10:31 AM (58LancerBodyTag.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 58LancerBodyTag.jpg (164KB - 424 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 2009 | . Hi Nathan! And what do you think about this: The Spring Special 1958 Dodge Custom Royal Lancer http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=73762&... M3=5, M4=3 and M5=1 Maybe M3=5 means spring special package? (Like on the Detroit-built Regal Lancers tag first number «5» in the paint code: 5XSX, 5SXS or 5SAS…) While a M4=3 means Dual Antennas (code 333)? Any thoughts? (5-3-1.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 5-3-1.jpg (101KB - 414 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 2009 | . Robert: You are not alone Cowl tag shows SG=3, while build sheet shows 7 (Solex Glass Code 467) (1.jpg) (2.jpg) (3.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 1.jpg (240KB - 437 downloads) 2.jpg (233KB - 479 downloads) 3.jpg (189KB - 423 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 2009 | . Sharing my guesses about «SG» column on the ’56 DeSoto cowl tag SG is a Solex Glass as we know, but what if: SG = 3 is a Group Code #3 SG = 4 is a Group Code #4 SG = 5 is a Group Code #5 Besides same items all groups have solex glass and differ by radios only… No radio (group #3); 8 Tube Radio with 6 push buttons (group #4); 9 Tube Radio with 5 push buttons (group #5) There are many examples in this thread for check this And on the ’56 Chrysler cowl tag: SG = 1 is a Solex Glass SG = 5 is a Convenience Group (Detroit-built code 5) that including Solex Glass besides the mirrors – see below The Chrysler has only one group including tinted glass (instead three groups on DeSoto) Not sure about Windsor’s numerical indexes (order codes), but New Yorker has following codes (based on Detroit-built codes): 3 = Custom Group 5 = Convenience Group (only this group is indirectly shown SG=5 column, I guess) 7 = Power Group 9 = Power Steering only Dieter’s Chrysler cowl tag picture confirms this (solex glass and left O/S mirror are visible on the picture), but I have not any Windsor’s cowl tag picture with SG=5 on it to confirm this. Windsor may be having same codes: 1 = Safety Group 3 = Custom Group 5 = Convenience Group 7 = Power Group 9 = Power Steering only Dodge has not accessory groups that having tinted glass, therefore if the car has equipped with it – «SG» will be «1» always. P.S. By the way, besides the Convenience Group #5, Dieter’s car also has prismatic mirror and custom steering wheel – items including in the Custom Group #3. Aren’t they showed on his IBM card casually? 453 and 455? (DeSoto Accessory Groups.jpg) (Example 1 picture 1.jpg) (Example 1 picture 2.jpg) (Example 2 picture 1.jpg) (Example 2 picture 2.jpg) (Chrysler Accessory Groups.JPG) (Example 3 picture 1.jpg) (Example 3 picture 2.jpg) (Example 3 picture 3.jpg) Attachments ---------------- DeSoto Accessory Groups.jpg (64KB - 446 downloads) Example 1 picture 1.jpg (101KB - 403 downloads) Example 1 picture 2.jpg (120KB - 400 downloads) Example 2 picture 1.jpg (59KB - 403 downloads) Example 2 picture 2.jpg (105KB - 398 downloads) Chrysler Accessory Groups.JPG (178KB - 396 downloads) Example 3 picture 1.jpg (176KB - 421 downloads) Example 3 picture 2.jpg (180KB - 398 downloads) Example 3 picture 3.jpg (191KB - 418 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 2009 | . I also think that M1=1 or M5=1 is accessory group, but don’t know which one… Continuing my previous post (where codes 453 and 455 are maybe means accessory groups #3 and #5), your IBM card has code 451 in same area (accessory group #1). It might be confirming that. I’m also guessing the code 344 on your IBM card (and Dieter’s car too) is a Heater The heater-equipped Detroit-built Chryslers have code 4 (or 6 for Gasoline Heater) Next digit on your card is «3» (code 353) and on the Dieter’s car is «4» (code 354), I think is a Radio: Detroit-built Chryslers Radio Codes: 1 = Electro Touch Tuner and Rear Seat Speaker 2 = Electro Touch Tuner 3 = Music Master and Rear Seat Speaker 4 = Music Master You told that your car has Music Master Radio and Rear Seat Speaker (3 = code 353) and probably Dieter’s car (4 = 354) has same radio without rear speaker But the first «6» on the Dave’s Dodge is still the question… I still stand my guess about automatic transmission codes (also based on Detroit-built car codes): New Yorker M8 = 3 = 423 = Powerflite without Power Steering M8 = 4 = 424 = Powerflite and Power Steering Windsor M8 = 3 = 423 = Powerflite without Power Steering (but I have not example to confirm that) M8 = 8 = 428 = Powerflite and Power Steering I don’t know why LA-built Dodges equipped with Powerflite have M8=3 only (with or without power steering) I guess the power equipment of LA-built Dodges stamped in the M1 column according to Dave’s listing based on 1955 Mike Petersen’s book: M1 = 1 = 341 = Power Steering M1 = 4 = 344 = Power Seat 4 Way M1 = 5 = 345 = Power Brakes M1 = 6 = 346 = Power Brakes and Power Seat 4 Way M1 = 7 = 347 = Power Steering and Power Brakes and Power Seat 4 Way M1 = 8 = 348 = Power Steering and Power Brakes (Dave’s car has it) M1 = 9 = 349 = Power Steering and Power Seat 4 Way Power Windows option occupy separate «EW» column… And the last: Detroit-built Chrysler Windsors equipped with power brakes have code «5». This option standard on the New Yorkers, 300Bs and Imperials Robert, your IBM card has only one «5» (code 385); it might be designated a power brakes. (Dieter’s car has no code 385 because power brakes is standard) Therefore 381 might be a solex glass (by analogy with 1956 Plymouth Order Codes, where 361 = solex glass and 365 = power brakes) Dieter's IBM card has not code 381 because solex glass included in accessory group #5 | ||
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Expert Posts: 2009 | . Okay. All codes have same numbers, right? What do you say for this? Powerflite (Detroit card = 333, LA card = 353) Power Brakes (Detroit card = 345, LA card = 365) Radio (Detroit card = 339, LA card = 359) Heater (Detroit card 334, LA card = 354) etc. Only accessory groups matches (351, 354, 356) I think only last digit of codes matches, first two ones are not… (Detroit IBM Card.jpg) (Los Angeles IBM Card.jpg) Attachments ---------------- Detroit IBM Card.jpg (239KB - 418 downloads) Los Angeles IBM Card.jpg (235KB - 385 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10153 Location: Lower Mainland BC | . Igor and Robert: You guys are doing great trying to figure out both the 56 Dodge Detroit and LA IBM cards. Obviously there are differences between the two cards. Please don't argue about it. Come to a consensus. There are no living people who were there working at Chrysler who can help us out. Not to muddy the waters but the LA card above is mine. My car came with NO radio (radio delete panel in place). I'm not sure whether the code would have been punched in the 35 column. I think the 35 column carries the accessory package codes. Mine 1,4,6 and 8 and the D500 Golden Lancer coupe 1,4,6 and 7. I've never actually seen the car so I don't know about its radio, only mine. Edited by 56D500boy 2020-06-10 4:28 PM (DaveFsIBMCard_Annotated_smaller.jpg) (IBMProductionCardExample_LABuilt56DodgeGoldenLancer.jpg) Attachments ---------------- DaveFsIBMCard_Annotated_smaller.jpg (241KB - 400 downloads) IBMProductionCardExample_LABuilt56DodgeGoldenLancer.jpg (243KB - 399 downloads) | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1049 Location: PL / EU | lets try, for example my car; PF, PS, PB, MM+RS, Heater, Carpet, 2-paint, Sf Group, Solex 344---------4----------- 353---------3----------- 361---------1----------- 381---------1----------- 385---------5----------- 428---------8----------- 451---------1----------- 469---------9----------- 473---------3----------- Detroit codes: 3 = Powerflite 1 = Antenna Manual 3 = Music Master with Rear Seat Speaker 4 = Custom Conditionare Air Heater 1 = Solex 1 = Accessory Group Safety 9 = Power Steering 5 = Power Brakes 344---------4-----------Heater 353---------3-----------PF 361---------1-----------Solex 381---------1----------- 385---------5-----------PB 428---------8----------- 451---------1-----------AG Safety 469---------9-----------PS 473---------3-----------MM+RS what do you say? edit; 473 it must be wrong, or all Dieters NY; PS, MM, Heater, 2-paint, Solex, CS Wheel Standard eqp. - PB, PF 344--------4--------- Heater 354--------4--------- 361--------1--------- Solex 424--------1--------- 453--------3--------- AG Custom 455--------5--------- AG Convenience Dieter, we need your help! . Edited by RDP 2020-06-11 4:30 AM | ||
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Expert Posts: 2009 | . You are almost right. Some corrections: 344---------4-----------Heater 353---------3-----------MM Radio + RS 361---------1-----------No idea yet… 381---------1-----------Solex 385---------5-----------Power Brakes 428---------8-----------Powerflite and Power Steering (423 = Powerflite only) 451---------1-----------AG Safety 469---------9-----------No idea (but maybe Power Steering separately) 473---------3-----------No idea too… Or that: Detroit Code 334---------344---------4-----------Heater Detroit Code 333---------353---------3-----------MM Radio + RS (Detroit Code 334---------354 = MM Radio without RS) Detroit Code ??? ---------361---------1-----------No idea yet… (it maybe Undercoating) Detroit Code ??? ---------381---------1-----------Solex Detroit Code 345---------385---------5-----------Power Brakes Detroit Code 338---------428---------8-----------Powerflite and Power Steering (Detroit Code 333---------423 = Powerflite only) Detroit Code 351---------451---------1-----------AG Safety Detroit Code ??? ---------469---------9-----------No idea (but it maybe Power Steering separately) Detroit Code ??? ---------473---------3-----------No idea too… Dieter’s car: Detroit Code 334---------344--------4-----------Heater Detroit Code 334---------354--------4-----------MM Radio without RS Detroit Code ??? ---------361--------1-----------No idea (Solex included in AG Convenience) Detroit Code 334---------424--------1------------Powerflite and Power Steering (Detroit Code 333---------423 = Powerflite only) Detroit Code 353---------453--------3------------AG Custom Detroit Code 355---------455--------5------------AG Convenience I’m very interesting also about problem PF + PS and PF – PS, but numbers are a stubborn thing… If to say simply – New Yorker and Windsor Powerflite transmissions have different ratios and different codes 2,7 and 4,64 on New Yorker vs. 2,6 and 4,47 on Windsor. Maybe the question hidden here? (New Yorker specs.JPG) (Windsor specs.JPG) Attachments ---------------- New Yorker specs.JPG (127KB - 412 downloads) Windsor specs.JPG (138KB - 403 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 2009 | . Find the old thread about Detroit-built order codes: «1955-1961 Chrysler 300.s Option Codes» http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=17607&... 1955 C300 Options and Accessories 8 = Power Steering = $113 4 = 4 Way Power Seat = $70 2 = Electric Windows = $102 8 = Standard Tune Radio & Antenna = $110 1 = Touch Tune Radio & Antenna = $128 4 = Heater = $92 1 = Solex Tinted Glass 8 = Kelsey Hayes Wire Wheels = $617.60 1 = Electric Clock 1956 300B Option & Accessories 1 = Manual Shift Transmission = $70 5 = Air Conditioning = $567 1 = Electro Touchtone Radio & Antenna 3 = Music Master Radio with R-Seat Speaker 1 = Solex Tinted Glass 4 = 4 Way Power Seat 6 = Instant Heat Heater 4 = Custom Conditionaire Heater 3 = Self Winding Steering Wheel Clock 9 = Power Steering (auto transmission only) = $97 8 = Kelsey Hayes Wire Wheels 5 & 7 = Hi-Way Hi-Fi (portable record player) Robert: I also found your old thread about well-equipped New Yorker (called Rosie) It might be confirming some Detroit-built order codes as well… http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=39393&... (Rosie 1.jpg) (Rosie 2.jpg) (Rosie 3.jpg) Attachments ---------------- Rosie 1.jpg (36KB - 403 downloads) Rosie 2.jpg (25KB - 379 downloads) Rosie 3.jpg (28KB - 396 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10153 Location: Lower Mainland BC | . As if this thread isn't "FUN" (??!!) enough already, while discussing another 56 Dodge I discovered/realized that the later build Detroit 56 Dodges made a switch to the 57 Dodge style cowl data tags and gave up on the 1955 style that they had previously used. The earliest switch that I have in my archives is May 24 1956. frwl (Igor) is thinking that 397 = D500 but I can not confirm or deny that except the second tag below is a known D500 car and the other one is not. No idea what 597 or 596 are. We now have 3 cowl tag styles for the 56 Dodges: 1. Original Detroit based on 55 Dodge tags 2. LA tags 3. Late(r) run Detroit tags looking like the 57 Dodge tags. (Does that make the 57 Dodge tags actually 56 Dodge tags?) Edited by 56D500boy 2020-06-11 11:24 PM (56DodgeCoronet2drGoldenLancerDetroitBuildTag_late.jpg) (JeffPs1956WhiteBlackRedCR4drD500CowlTag_TrimmedAndEnlarged.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 56DodgeCoronet2drGoldenLancerDetroitBuildTag_late.jpg (134KB - 400 downloads) JeffPs1956WhiteBlackRedCR4drD500CowlTag_TrimmedAndEnlarged.jpg (120KB - 415 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10153 Location: Lower Mainland BC | RDP - 2020-06-12 8:02 AM This is not exactly what we are looking for, but look at the Excel attachment by Lancer Mike Not what I was looking for but Lancer Mike should be congratulated for creating those Excel spreadsheets regarding the 1958 Body Data tags. That was a tonne of work. Way to go Mike!! | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10153 Location: Lower Mainland BC | d500neil - 2015-08-15 1:57 AM 1955-1956 Dodges: fairly well, but they SHARE a common IBM Build card, and their options, on those cards, are not clearly defined. The 56 and the 61 Dodges are the most difficult to decode. Good lock, on decoding the other FWDLK years' codes. If only Neil was alive so I could say "I couldn't agree with you more Neil. They are one h3LL of a B1tch" Thanks for posting Robert. | ||
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Expert Posts: 2009 | . https://www.ebay.com/itm/1956-Dodge-D500-D500/174315969502?hash=item... (IBM Card.jpg) (front view.jpg) Attachments ---------------- IBM Card.jpg (211KB - 390 downloads) front view.jpg (203KB - 391 downloads) | ||
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Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 10153 Location: Lower Mainland BC | frwl - 2020-06-20 1:32 AM. The column power equipment shows 342, that means power seat as stated by owner, and ending on the last «2» It matches to ’56 Plymouth order code 402 – power seat And does not match to code 344 in the Mike’ Petersen’s Book… It was only wishful thinking that Mike Petersen's 1955 Dodge order codes would work 100% for the 1956 Detroit Dodges so I am not too surprised. The wagon does have power front seat but not power windows. But it does have PS and PB. It also has a code for "SPL MOTOR" (Special Motor) which I presume is the D500 engine (which is -3509 from a previous advert for this car). Some of the interior (seat) fabric is wrong (replaced?) Edited by 56D500boy 2020-06-20 10:31 AM (68475103-770-0@2X.jpg) (68475087-770-0@2X.jpg) (EngineBay.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 68475103-770-0@2X.jpg (140KB - 386 downloads) 68475087-770-0@2X.jpg (125KB - 392 downloads) EngineBay.jpg (184KB - 403 downloads) | ||
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