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RDP
Posted 2019-12-12 12:56 PM (#591497 - in reply to #591448)
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frwl - 2019-12-10 8:30 PM

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Have one idea… thanks to Nathan aka «Powerflite»
His car has manual brakes, manual steering, and no options except for a V8, powerflite, radio and heater
Cowl tag shows M8 = 3 and M9 = 8 – see above

Assuming that M8 = 3 is 353 = Powerflite (while M8 = 2 is a 352 = Overdrive), M9 = 8 might be 358 = Music master Radio (while M9 = 9 is 359 = Search Tune Radio)
The heater code is 355. If a car has equipped with Heater and Music Radio both – these codes 355 and 358 are occupies M9 column together, and 355 + 358 (last 5 + last 8 = 13 – last 3, i.e. M9 = 3)
Because heater and radio codes beginnings from 35…

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Powerflite - 2019-12-11 5:33 PM

From my experience with the '57-'58 cars, I can tell you that the Los Angeles M codes contain a lot of different options all jammed into each code. For instance, my '57 New Yorker has numerous options from dual rear antennae, 7 button radio, solex glass, rear speaker, rear defroster, power brakes, quad headlights, power windows, heater etc, and a lot of the New Yorker standard stuff like power steering & clock, but everything is condensed down into 3 codes: EW:5 (I'm not sure this is even one of the codes!), M1:4, M2:9. Also, the M codes only go from M1 through M6.

I'm sure that these codes became more condensed for '57 than they are in '56, but I wouldn't be surprised if multiple options are included into each M code like they are in '57-up.



if it's true, decrypting M codes is very difficult or completely impossible
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frwl
Posted 2019-12-13 8:14 AM (#591530 - in reply to #555178)
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Hello Nathan.
You said earlier about your ’56 Plymouth Savoy:
«… the car has manual brakes, manual steering, and no options except for a V8, powerflite, radio, heater».
Tell me, please:
What kind of radio installed in your car?
Does your car have a rear seat speaker?
Has your heater equipped with defroster motor?

Thanks.
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Posted 2019-12-13 11:05 AM (#591533 - in reply to #555178)
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My '56 Savoy:
glass isn't tinted
no rear seat speaker
no rear defroster
I had to look at the original pictures of my car to see that the radio had no push buttons either. It had a flat face on it with fake indents where the buttons would go. Really cheap!



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Posted 2019-12-13 12:01 PM (#591537 - in reply to #591533)
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Powerflite - 2019-12-13 8:05 AM
no rear defroster


I think the question was do you have a front windshield defroster motor and switch?

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Posted 2019-12-13 2:28 PM (#591544 - in reply to #555178)
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Yes. I mean heater with defroster (Dave – Thanks for correction) highlighted in red on the picture below.
But info about rear window defroster very appreciated too…
So, summary what we have with M8=3 and M9=8 codes: Automatic Transmission, Heater and NO Radio – right?
Thanks again.

P.S. Nathan, Besides EW=5 (Power Windows), column M1 = 4 in your ’57 New Yorker body tag says that your car does have 6 Way Power Seat – you forgot it in your listing.
And M2=9, probably, should be some accessory group which includes Solex Glass, that absent in SG column…





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Posted 2019-12-13 3:02 PM (#591547 - in reply to #555178)
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I'll have to check on the defroster switch, I've never used it. But I suspect that it does have it.
My Savoy does have a radio, just no pushbuttons on it.
You're right about the power seat in the '57 New Yorker, I forgot to include it. So you are saying that all the rest of the options are bundled into M2=9? Or did they just not bother to put everything on the tag?

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Posted 2019-12-13 3:39 PM (#591552 - in reply to #555178)
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You told that your car has equipped with solex glass.
This item must be stamped by number below SG letters definitely.
So, if SG column (Solex Glass) is empty, I just suspect that it option might be (probably) included in accessory group with number 9.
For example, like in this DeSoto Accessory Groups on the picture below…
Where besides tinted glass might be mirrors, sun visors, windshield washer, variable speed wipers etc…
But I have not reliable information about it…




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Posted 2019-12-13 3:55 PM (#591554 - in reply to #555178)
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Or this example, I have found.
It’s 57 New Yorker 4door Hardtop equipped with solex glass and power seat and no power windows (EW is empty)
SG column numbered by 5 (Solex Glass) and M1=4 (Power Seat), but M2 column is empty.
But your car SG is empty, but M2=9. Might be solex glass including in it
That what I mean…




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Posted 2019-12-13 4:31 PM (#591555 - in reply to #591544)
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frwl - 2019-12-13 11:28 AM.
Yes. I mean heater with defroster (Dave – Thanks for correction) highlighted in red on the picture below.
So, summary what we have with M8=3 and M9=8 codes: Automatic Transmission, Heater and NO Radio – right?


I don't know if this is all directed at me or not. My 56 Dodge has Solex glass all round, PS, PB, Powerflite automatic, heater and front defroster and NO radio. M8 = 3 *BUT* M9 = 4.

My tag (from the first post in this thread):



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Posted 2019-12-13 4:37 PM (#591558 - in reply to #591554)
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frwl - 2019-12-13 12:55 PM
Or this example, I have found.
It’s 57 New Yorker 4door Hardtop equipped with solex glass and power seat and no power windows (EW is empty)
SG column numbered by 5 (Solex Glass) and M1=4 (Power Seat), but M2 column is empty.
But your car SG is empty, but M2=9. Might be solex glass including in it
That what I mean…


I understand what you are saying. That makes sense, but makes it a lot harder to figure out. This is a picture of my '57NY tag, and indeed it has nothing indicated in the SG column.



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RDP
Posted 2019-12-14 11:48 AM (#591590 - in reply to #555178)
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56D500boy - 2019-12-11 12:15 AM
you are trying to make punches in all the columns correspond to an order code. It doesn't work like that. For some columns, it does but not for every column.


Dave, you didn't answer my question.
Why doesn't it work? For which columns? How do you know that?
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Posted 2019-12-14 1:40 PM (#591599 - in reply to #591590)
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you are trying to make punches in all the columns correspond to an order code. It doesn't work like that. For some columns, it does but not for every column.

Dave, you didn't answer my question.
Why doesn't it work? For which columns? How do you know that?


I "know" that because a) I have been playing with my 56 Dodge Los Angeles IBM card and a few Detroit-built 56 Dodge IBM cards (different format) for a few years now. I have also had correspondence with a computer science professor in the US who happens to have worked in the automotive sector during his undergraduate university days and knows about IBM cards and how they were used on the auto assembly lines.

One of things that came out of my correspondence with the computer science prof was he made me aware of the use of IBM card "interpreters" which could be wired (either with patch cords or hard-wiring) that would move the printing of the information away (and maybe far away) from directly above where the punches were made:

REFERENCE: http://www.columbia.edu/cu/computinghistory/interpreter.html

Example (patch cord) interpreter:



A good case in point is column 35 on a Detroit 56 Dodge IBM card which seems to be labeled "ACC GRPS" (as in accessory groups). There could be multiple punches in that column (I have example 56 Dodge IBM cards with up to 4 punches in column 35). For the Detroit cards, the punches in column 35 get "interpreted" by the "interpreter" and printed in the appropriate location. In the example below, there are three punches in column 35, i.e. 1, 4 and 7. Those numbers get printed above box 351, 354 and 357 which seems to an organized and logical conclusion (if only we knew what options 351, 354 and 357 actually included):



If only the Los Angeles plant's 56 Dodge IBM cards were as organized as those from Detroit. Case in point, my LA-built 56 Dodge and its IBM card. It has multiple punches in Column 35 but column 35 isn't labeled as anything special, in fact it isn't even numbered (I've had to add the numbers). In this case the punches in column 35 are 1, 4, 6 and 8 (my car has much the same options as the Detroit-built car so the different numbers are a bit concerning). In contrast to the Detroit card, these four numbers are NOT printed inside option boxes labeled 351, 354, 356 and 358. In fact while they are printed in roughly the same (or similar) location as the Column 35 codes on a Detroit card, they are not any boxes, instead they "float" above those boxes. Worse the boxes that they are above have labels that are meaningless to my car. (hits head against brick wall until the pain of that thought is numbed).



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Posted 2019-12-14 2:05 PM (#591600 - in reply to #591599)
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Thanks for extensive explanations. It's very interesting.
But, it seems to me that all codes from the options bar should be read the same way.
I may also be wrong, but look at the picture (on the previous thread page) of my broadcast sheet and IBM card comparison - all numbers of the options bar have corresponding three-number codes. It's true some codes are incomprehensible, for example 344, but remember it's a Plymouth card adapted for other makes.
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Posted 2019-12-15 6:00 AM (#591618 - in reply to #555178)
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I looking through my collections ... here's what I have:

pay attention to code 481
IBM card starts from 44 and ends with 47
codes outside the special equipment area have sense



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Posted 2019-12-15 11:09 AM (#591624 - in reply to #591618)
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I looking through my collections ... here's what I have:


Robert: Can you post/share a scan of the entire page/sheet that those extracts came from? They look very interesting.

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Posted 2019-12-16 12:42 PM (#591693 - in reply to #555178)
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Posted 2019-12-16 3:00 PM (#591700 - in reply to #591693)
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Robert: Thanks so much for posting those. Helps to make sense of both the Plymouth order form and the LA IBM cards (which must be actually Detroit Plymouth cards).

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Posted 2019-12-17 6:30 AM (#591723 - in reply to #555178)
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I have some speculations about body type codes.
According to pictures (Thanks Robert), I can see double-digit number codes:
15 = Plaza 4door Sedan L6
25 = Savoy 4door Sedan L6
Actually (on the cowl tag) they are triple-digit – see the Nathan (Powerflite) cowl tag picture above – BT=854

So, what we have for 4door Sedans (last number 5):
15 = Plaza L6
25 = Savoy L6
35 = Belvedere L6
45 = Plaza V8
55 = Savoy V8
65 = Belvedere V8

Or, if we are using triple-digit number, it might be appears (same 4door Sedans):
615 = Plaza L6
625 = Savoy L6
635 = Belvedere L6
845 = Plaza V8
855 = Savoy V8
865 = Belvedere V8

I just have a question about Fury: is it 75 or 875? Or rather 76 or 876 (last number 6 – 2door Hardtop)?
What car is on the picture below: Belvedere 2door Hardtop V8 or Fury 2door Hardtop V8?
I think this is Belvedere, because paint 671 - it mostly green, while a Fury was beige…




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Posted 2019-12-17 11:56 AM (#591729 - in reply to #591723)
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Igor, it looks correct

x4 - 2 dr sedan (6x4 , 8x4)
x5 - 4 dr sedan (6x5 , 8x5)

69 - 4 dr HT Belv 8 ( 869)
10 - taxi 6 (610 ?)



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Posted 2019-12-17 12:23 PM (#591730 - in reply to #555178)
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1 = 2door Business Sedan (less rear seat)
3 = Convertible
4 = 2door Sedan
5 = 4door Sedan
6 = 2door Hardtop
7 = 2door Station Wagon (Suburban)
8 = 4door Station Wagon (Suburban)
9 = 4door Hardtop

I think taxicab has prefix 5, because it is 4door Sedan too…
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Posted 2019-12-17 12:42 PM (#591731 - in reply to #591730)
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frwl - 2019-12-17 6:23 PM


I think taxicab has prefix 5, because it is 4door Sedan too…


10 is real code from invoice like as above


it seems certain:

x1x plaza 6
x2x savoy 6
x3x belvedere 6

x4x plaza 8
x5x savoy 8
x6x belvedere 8

xx4 2dr sed
xx5 4dr sed

xx9 4dr HT

xx0 taxi special

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Posted 2019-12-17 2:38 PM (#591739 - in reply to #591731)
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I know you guys are having fun with the 56 Plymouth codes but trying to come back to the original thread topic, we are (all) having problems going from the codes on the IBM card to the numbers embossed on the cowl data tags.

Here is an example of what I will call "insanity" of how we might never figure the IBM to cowl tag translation: There was no rhyme or reason (i.e. intelligible pattern) when they combined two or more option codes together.

We might need this:



To figure out things like this (178+172 +173 = 176 Oh COME ON! How does that make sense?)

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Posted 2019-12-17 3:02 PM (#591742 - in reply to #591739)
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56D500boy - 2019-12-17 8:38 PM

I know you guys are having fun with the 56 Plymouth codes but trying to come back to the original thread topic,


yes Sir!


56D500boy - 2019-12-17 8:38 PM

Here is an example of what I will call "insanity" of how we might never figure the IBM to cowl tag translation: There was no rhyme or reason (i.e. intelligible pattern) when they combined two or more option codes together.
To figure out things like this (178+172 +173 = 176 Oh COME ON! How does that make sense?)




but this is nothing new:

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Posted 2019-12-17 3:38 PM (#591744 - in reply to #591742)
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but this is nothing new:


Maybe not to you but it is new to me!!

What is that snippet from?

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Posted 2019-12-17 3:54 PM (#591748 - in reply to #555178)
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This box looks like Enigma decoding machine of German Army WWII (LOL)

So, what we have
’57 Plymouth Accessory Groups: 17x + 17x +17x = 17x
Analogically for ’56 Dodge Accessory Groups: 35x + 35x + 35x = 35x, i.e. 351 + 354 + 356 = 357, 358 or 359…
But codes 357, 358 or 359 are Radio codes… so, this speculation is wrong…

From other side, if we are looking to the codes on the cowl tag in order:
SG1 = 361 = Solex Glass, EW3 = 363 = Power Windows, the next M1 could be code 365 or Power Brakes…

My database has three numbers below M1 on the cowl tag: 5, 7 and 8, if assuming that:
M1 = 5 = Power Brakes
M1 = 7 = Power Brakes and Power Steering
M1 = 8 = Power Brakes and Power Steering and something else… might be Power Disc Brakes instead regular brake

By the way the car pictured below has not Power Brakes and M1 column is empty




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Posted 2019-12-17 4:03 PM (#591750 - in reply to #555178)
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Oh, it seems like ’56 Plymouth accessory codes, that absent in ’56 Plymouth Order Code listing
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Posted 2019-12-17 4:41 PM (#591751 - in reply to #591748)
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This box looks like Enigma decoding machine of German Army WWII (LOL)

My database has three numbers below M1 on the cowl tag: 5, 7 and 8, if assuming that:
M1 = 5 = Power Brakes
M1 = 7 = Power Brakes and Power Steering
M1 = 8 = Power Brakes and Power Steering and something else… might be Power Disc Brakes instead regular brake

By the way the car pictured below has not Power Brakes and M1 column is empty


Yes it was an Enigma decoding machine and we need it badly.

The June 26th built, 56 Golden Royal (D63-2) Lancer (826) indeed does not have either PS or PB, so M1 = blank might make sense

My car has both PS and PB and my M1 code is 8. I don't know what else would make it different than M1 = 7.

It would be nice to have a complete 56 Dodge order form with all the options and codes. In the short term, seeing more 1956 Plymouth order form and codes would likely help us.

My cowl tag:



The 56 Golden (077 paint code) Royal (D63-2 model code) Lancer (826 body code) cowl tag has SG =1 (and I see lots of Solex Glass), M2 = 4, M8 = 3 and M9 =3. I think that extra tag under the main cowl tag is likely to be the "Undercoating Tag"




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Posted 2019-12-18 10:20 AM (#591775 - in reply to #555178)
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In continuing of the theme about accessory groups…
Dave, your car has Basic, Convenience and Appearance Groups (same column 1, 4, 6 and 8 in the broadcast sheet)
If assuming that Basic 411 + Convenience 414 + Appearance 416 = 418, and it has stamped in column M1 = 8
Might be this theory makes sense
We have also M1=5 column (Rustyfender’s Royal Lancer) and M1=7 (the car that has been built later of yours on a three days)
Would be appreciated to know – what the differences between them and your car
What accessory groups have those cars?
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Posted 2019-12-18 11:26 AM (#591778 - in reply to #591744)
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RDP - 2019-12-17 12:02 PM
but this is nothing new:


Maybe not to you but it is new to me!!

What is that snippet from?

:)



Unfortunately this is not Dodge, 56 Plymouth price list brochure.

Guys, look at the attachment, all Plymouth and Dodges have M8-3. This is a good start point.
We don't have enough IBM-body tag set yet.



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Posted 2019-12-18 1:55 PM (#591784 - in reply to #555178)
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It seems like Powerflite Transmission for ’56 Dodges and ’56 Plymouths (M8=3)
Need an example equipped with manual transmission to confirm it
For Powerflite equipped Chryslers appears M3=4 for New Yorkers and M8=8 for Windsors
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Posted 2019-12-18 2:43 PM (#591786 - in reply to #591784)
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may PF, but why is different M-code for NY i Windsor? should be the same.
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Posted 2019-12-18 3:27 PM (#591787 - in reply to #555178)
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I have based on the Detroit-built Chrysler cowl tags, they have numerical codes (S=4 and S=8) same as LA-built Chryslers (M8=4 and M8=8)

’56 Windsors:
S = blank = Standard Manual Transmission
S4 = Powerflite Transmission
S8 = Powerflite Transmission and Power Steering

’56 New Yorkers – a little harder:
S = blank = Standard Powerflite Transmission and no info about Power Steering

Later, (since February 22, 1956), when the Torqueflite was offered, the New Yorker’s (and Imperial’s) numerical codes have changed slightly:

’56 New Yorkers and Imperial – later:
S4 = Powerflite Transmission and probably Power Steering
S6 = Torqueflite Transmission and Power Steering

Therefore I think that Detroit codes S4 and S8 matches to Los Angeles codes M8=4 and M8=8, while Dodges and Plymouth M8=3 codes are different, but decodes a Powerflite also…




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Posted 2019-12-19 1:15 PM (#591809 - in reply to #591787)
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This seems correct.I don't know these Detroit tags well. Are you absolutely sure that the 'S' code is transmission code?


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Posted 2019-12-20 4:49 AM (#591825 - in reply to #555178)
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Yes, I am sure.
These Chrysler Detroit-built cowl tags «ABCDEFGHJKMS» are had begun since 1953 model year, and the letters «TUVW» were added in 1956…
During 1953 through 1956 codes has been changing, but column S always indicates a transmission code and Power Steering presence or it absence…
I don’t know why… maybe because the power steering pump has been mounting (to generator) on the powerplant with transmission assembly, before shipping to the assembly line…

Robert, something else. From listing of options of your car, I can choose some items:
Backup Lights
Glove Box Light
Hand Brake Warning Signal Light
Luggage Compartment Light
Safety Padded Dash
Windshield Washer
Prismatic Mirror

It is all Windsor Safety Accessory Group that might be coded as «1» in M1=1 or M5=1 column…
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Posted 2019-12-20 11:07 AM (#591829 - in reply to #591825)
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Nice, so the M8 code we have explained.

yes, it looks like a safety group. Unfortunately, LA card does not have accessory group item.
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Posted 2020-02-14 9:13 AM (#594222 - in reply to #555178)
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I’ll continue…
LA-built 1956 DeSoto Fireflite Sportsman recently offered for sale on ebay:

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=73230&...

As shown on the pictures, the car has:
Powerflite Transmission
Manual Steering
Power Brakes
Manual Windows
Power Seat
Full Leather Upholstery
Heater
Radio 9 Tube – because it has a 5 push button (8 Tube – 6 push button; correct me, if I’m wrong)
Rear Shelf Speaker
Dual Rear Aerials
Solex Tinted Glass at all Window areas
Sun Cap Visor above the Windshield
Inside Mirror only

The cowl tag picture shows SG = 5, M8 = 4, and M9 = 8

If SG = 1 is a Solex Glass as stated above in this thread, it seems like SG = 5 is a Solex Glass + Sun Cap Visor
I have a couple picture of cowl tag with SG = 4, but this still have a mystery… or it might be Sun Cap Visor without Solex Glass…

I don’t want to argue about M8 = 4 and M9 = 8, but interesting is next:

M8 = 3 and M9 = 8: Powerflite, Radio, Heater – Nathan’s (aka Powerflite) Plymouth Savoy
M8 = 4 and M9 = 2: Powerflite, Radio, Heater, PS, PB – Chrysler New Yorker
M8 = 4 and M9 = 3: Powerflite, Radio, Heater, PS, PB – DeSoto Fireflite Sportsman (not this one)
M8 = 4 and M9 = 0: Powerflite, Radio, Heater, PS, PB – DeSoto Fireflite Sedan (M9 = 0, i.e. blank – I’m not wrong)
M8 = 8 and M9 = 8: Powerflite, Radio, Heater, PS, PB – Robert’s (aka RDP) Chrysler Windsor Nassau
M8 = 4 and M9 = 8: Powerflite, Radio, Heater, PB – this DeSoto Fireflite Sportsman (which one for sale)

Seems these options like Power Steering, Power Brakes and Power Seat (!) are nonstampable on the 1956 LA cowl tags…
The Power Windows only in the EW column…





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Posted 2020-02-14 10:41 AM (#594225 - in reply to #555178)
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I think you may have to separate out the upper end cars from the lower end cars, because power steering is standard on those cars. So power steering might not be included in the code on them. That seems apparent in the M9=0, so that power steering couldn't be included in those options.
I would conclude from your list that M8=4 is the same as M8=3, but includes power brakes, because power brakes is an option for all the cars. The single M8=8 must include all the M8=4 which has power brakes, but also includes other stuff not known about.
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Posted 2020-02-14 12:02 PM (#594236 - in reply to #555178)
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another De Soto and updated list



Edited by RDP 2020-02-14 12:23 PM




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Posted 2020-02-14 1:10 PM (#594241 - in reply to #555178)
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all Plymouth and Dodge have M8=3, but not all have power brakes.
M8 does not include power brakes



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Posted 2020-02-14 1:55 PM (#594245 - in reply to #555178)
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Nathan, as Robert noted above, the cars with M8=3 not all have power brakes
The ’56 Power Steering optional equipment for all cars, except Imperial;
The ’56 Power Brakes standard on all Imperials, Chrysler New Yorker, Chrysler 300B and DeSoto Adventurer
Although your logical is understandable: (M8=3 is a Powerflite, M8=4 is a Powerflite plus Power Brakes)
If we will follow it further, the M8=8 could be Powerflite plus Power DISC Brakes, it was standard on Crown Imperials…


Robert, thanks for sharing.
It seems that my guessing about SG4 is right.
The picture from inside the car shows the windshield is clear, non-tinted, and the upper molding was removed…
So, what we have:

SG1 = Solex Tinted Glass
SG4 = Windshield Upper Moulding
SG5 = Solex Tinted Glass and Windshield Upper Moulding

P.S. The new «old » picture with code SG4 to your listing…




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Posted 2020-02-14 2:16 PM (#594247 - in reply to #555178)
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Are you sure about power brakes being standard on New Yorkers, Adventurers and 300's? I know for a fact that it wasn't standard in 1957 on a New Yorker. I own a '57 New Yorker that didn't come with power brakes.
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Posted 2020-02-14 2:19 PM (#594249 - in reply to #594245)
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frwl - 2020-02-14 7:55 PM

Although your logical is understandable: (M8=3 is a Powerflite, M8=4 is a Powerflite plus Power Brakes)
If we will follow it further, the M8=8 could be Powerflite plus Power DISC Brakes, it was standard on Crown Imperials…



that's not enough infos to say yes

that's enough infos to say no



M8=4 - both Chryslers are NY, pb is standard

M8=8 - is Windsor,
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Posted 2020-02-14 2:22 PM (#594250 - in reply to #594247)
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Powerflite - 2020-02-14 8:16 PM

Are you sure about power brakes being standard on New Yorkers, Adventurers and 300's? I know for a fact that it wasn't standard in 1957 on a New Yorker. I own a '57 New Yorker that didn't come with power brakes.






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Posted 2020-02-14 2:28 PM (#594252 - in reply to #555178)
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Odd that they would make it standard in '56 and optional in '57.
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Posted 2020-02-14 2:31 PM (#594253 - in reply to #555178)
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Yes, you are right: in 1957-58 New Yorker has Power Steering as standard equipment and Power Brakes – optional, but
1955-56 New Yorkers: Power Steering – optional and Power Brakes – standard…





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Posted 2020-02-14 2:44 PM (#594254 - in reply to #594245)
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frwl - 2020-02-14 7:55 PM


So, what we have:

SG1 = Solex Tinted Glass
SG4 = Windshield Upper Moulding
SG5 = Solex Tinted Glass and Windshield Upper Moulding



OK, but upper molding is standard in NY. Standard equipment is included on the body plate?
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Posted 2020-02-14 3:07 PM (#594255 - in reply to #555178)
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I think not.
Maybe it is standard on the top-level hardtops Windsor Newport and New Yorker St.Regis only?
Like on the ’55 DeSotos…
So, my theory is wrong?




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Posted 2020-02-14 3:27 PM (#594259 - in reply to #594245)
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Oh, it looks so simple, small cars have M8 = 3, large cars M8 = 4. But my Windsor has M8 = 8. What this is about?


frwl - 2020-02-14 7:55 PM
P.S. The new «old » picture with code SG4 to your listing…


Thanks, more info about this De Soto?
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Posted 2020-02-14 3:31 PM (#594262 - in reply to #555178)
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More info on this old thread. Scroll down...

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=72545&...
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Posted 2020-02-14 3:40 PM (#594263 - in reply to #594262)
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I mean SG4 data plate car
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