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Lancer Mike
Posted 2018-01-22 5:59 PM (#556760)
Subject: Quinn's '58 Plaza Club Coupe!



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Today, John Quinn called me and sent me these images of his newly-acquired 1958 Plymouth Plaza club coupe. He told me a couple of ladies in Boulder had this gem stored in their garage since 1987. John's story was that the husband (now deceased) of one of the ladies put it in storage when his daughter put a dent in the hood using it as her daily driver in high school. What a cool car! Notice it still has (at least a portion) of the original rubber floor mats! John said the husband had the seats redone. The front seat has a stain from someone sitting on it with greasy overalls, the back seat is perfect.

He and Ricky went to pick it up and Ricky is going to rebuild the little two-barrel carb. Very cool! This one just kind of fell in John's lap and he couldn't say no. The dealer emblem on the trunk says A. B. Poe Motor Co. - El Paso. John said the car originally came from nice, dry Texas! Solid as a rock. I can't wait to see it in person.



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Lancer Mike
Posted 2018-01-23 12:39 PM (#556807 - in reply to #556760)
Subject: RE: Quinn's '58 Plaza Club Coupe!



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The only options I can see on this base model, inexpensive body style (one step up from the Business Coupe) Plymouth are a heater and Solex glass. This one is real "bare bones"!
Super cool!
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RICKYMOPAR
Posted 2018-01-23 3:33 PM (#556814 - in reply to #556760)
Subject: Re: Quinn's '58 Plaza Club Coupe!



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Okay! I'll give the old YF the twice over.

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Lancer Mike
Posted 2018-01-24 10:14 PM (#556889 - in reply to #556814)
Subject: Re: Quinn's '58 Plaza Club Coupe!



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Rebuild the YF, clean the tank, run a bucket of Marvel Mystery Oil thought the engine and see if it fires up!
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2018-01-26 10:14 PM (#556988 - in reply to #556889)
Subject: Re: Quinn's '58 Plaza Club Coupe!



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So he already has Frau Blu Car. Should we call this

Plazilla? Moby No Dick? Cheap Skate? Sno-fright? Dentine?

Help me out here...
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2018-01-27 1:00 AM (#556998 - in reply to #556988)
Subject: Re: Quinn's '58 Plaza Club Coupe!



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This very unoptioned Plaza makes mine look a #@! New Yorker,
by comparison !

I am not seeing Solex glass. Is that what they told Colorado
buyers dusty windows were called ?

Poor thing sure has a lot of dings and dents.

I sure do like these. Great find.
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2018-01-27 9:45 AM (#557008 - in reply to #556998)
Subject: Re: Quinn's '58 Plaza Club Coupe!



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Doctor DeSoto - 2018-01-26 11:00 PM

I am not seeing Solex glass. Is that what they told Colorado
buyers dusty windows were called ?



Ha! maybe so!

Still on nicknames:

The Ten CommonDents?

The Great White Nope?

Plaza Don'tmeango? (ala Placido Domingo)
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Powerflite
Posted 2018-01-27 1:08 PM (#557030 - in reply to #556760)
Subject: Re: Quinn's '58 Plaza Club Coupe!



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How about
PlazaPly Runs?
Mean Plazine?
Lean Plazine?
Plain VanillaPly?
Hard Knock 6?
Deep6 Plaza?
Scar Face?
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2018-01-27 2:00 PM (#557035 - in reply to #557030)
Subject: Re: Quinn's '58 Plaza Club Coupe!



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Ha! Love 'em Nathan!

Whack-a-'Mouth?
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Powerflite
Posted 2018-01-27 6:29 PM (#557056 - in reply to #556760)
Subject: RE: Quinn's '58 Plaza Club Coupe!



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A couple more I thought of:

Plazable Cause
Deniable Plazability
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2018-01-28 12:27 AM (#557075 - in reply to #557056)
Subject: RE: Quinn's '58 Plaza Club Coupe!



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Don't be disrespecting the Plaza, yo !
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RICKYMOPAR
Posted 2018-01-28 8:24 AM (#557087 - in reply to #556760)
Subject: Re: Quinn's '58 Plaza Club Coupe!



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Plazablanca
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Powerflite
Posted 2018-01-28 1:56 PM (#557104 - in reply to #556760)
Subject: Re: Quinn's '58 Plaza Club Coupe!



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I like that one.
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2018-01-28 9:09 PM (#557133 - in reply to #557087)
Subject: Re: Quinn's '58 Plaza Club Coupe!



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Oh, I think Ricky might have nailed it!

Man, that car is so bare I am surprised it came with windshield wipers! It doesn't even have the chrome horn ring.
Doc, I wonder if this is the type of car that would have come with those painted steel hub caps?


John told me he was going to look for a new hood and fender for it. I would be tempted to pound the dents out as best as could and leave it original. Unfortunately, those grille pieces cannot be easily massaged to a good state! Get it running, clean it up - paint the engine silver again and call it done. Maybe replace those tail light assemblies.
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2018-01-29 12:48 AM (#557145 - in reply to #557133)
Subject: Re: Quinn's '58 Plaza Club Coupe!



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Note that the car DOES have side trim and the really basic fender
ornaments, so someone stepped up for those. It got a heater. Does
it have a music box ? ... I cannot make it out.

Mine is music box delete and largely devoid of any superfluous equip-
ment. But the buyer went all-out on the driver comfort stuff, optioning
on V-8, Torqueflite, power steering and brakes, and dealer installed A/C.
While only a build sheet could tell us if it got blackwalls, if memory serves,
the original dog dishies were still with the car (I don't remember hunting
those down, and no full wheelcovers were present when I got the car).
It is a pretty weird build. I wonder why the buyer did not (or get talked
in to) stepping up to a Savoy or Belvedere, given the way it is equipped ?
The only logical explanation is that the buyer was one of those personality
types that disdained flashy stuff. Frugal people who survived the Depression
and had a deep seated sense of "sensibility" versus embarrassing showiness.
They were common when I was a kid. Buyers of all those legions of el cheapo
Studebakers, Ramblers, and other similar basic cars. That whole generation
died off, and with them went that ultra frugal way of presenting themselves.
Today, everyone wants to be a "rock star" (by comparison).

I thought we determined those painted steel hubcaps were used on trucks (?)

Out of curiosity, does Quinn's car have white painted wheels, or Argent Silver ?
It seems most got a "standard" Argent, but it seems some got matching body
color on the dog-dish equipped wheels. I am going to go with body color, just
because I like the look and think it looks a little less flashy than silver wheels.
My objective has always been a maximum stripper presentation, even if this
car did get some hefty "hidden" upgrades. It will look like a real stripper, but
I get to enjoy NOT shifting on the column, power steering, etc. The gold "V"
will really stand out against that all green body color.

What is the fascination with coming up with a name for his car ???
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2018-01-29 12:42 PM (#557166 - in reply to #557145)
Subject: Re: Quinn's '58 Plaza Club Coupe!



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Doctor DeSoto - 2018-01-28 10:48 PM

I thought we determined those painted steel hubcaps were used on trucks (?)



Hmmm! The one I sent you was definitely a '57 - '58 style hubcap. I didn't think Plymouth made trucks in the late 1950's!
It came from Speedway Auto Salvage and was in (not on) a 1957 Plymouth. I assumed it was a variant one step below the super fancy stainless hubcaps!

Did they make a "no trim at all" Plymouth in 1958?

John's 1959 Plymouth convertible is named Frau Blue Car (listen to attachment)
This one's gotta have a name!

I need to see John's car in person to find out about some of those details, but I see neither radio nor antenna.



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Powerflite
Posted 2018-01-29 1:28 PM (#557168 - in reply to #556760)
Subject: RE: Quinn's '58 Plaza Club Coupe!



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Young Frankenstein is a great movie.

I agree with Doc, that they are most likely from a truck. Dodge used steel caps on their trucks, probably to save from using more expensive stainless. Dodge trucks were the cheapest made units of all the trucks because the marketed them to the poor farmers. That's one of the reasons they didn't get a decent power steering gear for them until 1972! Most '57 trucks that I have seen use steel versions of the '56 Plymouth hubcap. But I can totally see them switching to '57 Plymouth caps late in the year, once they ran out of the '56 versions and didn't want to make another run of them. They used whatever was cheap for them at the time. So just because it is a Plymouth cap doesn't mean that it wouldn't be used on a Dodge truck.



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Lancer Mike
Posted 2018-01-29 2:56 PM (#557174 - in reply to #557168)
Subject: RE: Quinn's '58 Plaza Club Coupe!



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Interesting! I guess it makes more sense for the trucks than the knight's head hubcap for the 57 and 58 Dodge passenger cars.
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1959 Belvedere Conv
Posted 2018-01-30 4:34 PM (#557226 - in reply to #556760)
Subject: Re: Quinn's '58 Plaza Club Coupe!



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Greetings! it has been a long time since I have been on the Forum. The car is an radio delete car and I plan on keeping it that way with any tunes being installed under dash or in the glove box. Mikes' story on it was 99% right, but it was the girls father who fixed it up and did the interior. It has a 3 on the tree which is cool. I plan on cleaning out the gas tank, cooling system, new oil etc. And then after that I will see if she fires up for me.

John
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2018-01-31 11:17 AM (#557267 - in reply to #557226)
Subject: Re: Quinn's '58 Plaza Club Coupe!



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Hooray! Johnny's Back!

Now we gotta update your avatar image.

Dang! I'm always going to be part of the 99%

We came up with some great nicknames for your new car. Now you have to tell us what you are going to call it!



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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2018-02-01 10:12 PM (#557360 - in reply to #557174)
Subject: RE: Quinn's '58 Plaza Club Coupe!



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Both Plymouth and Dodge offered "fleet" model cars that were not
part of the normal dealer roster of offerings. Police and municipal
fleets, U.S. Forest Service, Insurance companies, ... lots of these
cars were built and sold.

I recently sold a 1966 Coronet police car that was totally off the radar
for any dealer lit. That year they offered the Coronet as in "DeLuxe",
"440", "500" trim levels. Even the lowly "DeLuxe" had a short rub bar
of side trim and other bits around the tail lights that this cop car did not.

I have seen 58 Plazas with no side trim or fender ornaments. Unsure
if these were old muni-bought fleet models or not, but to answer your
question, yes, Plymouth sold no-trim versions of the Plaza in 1958. My
car will be finished with no side trim or fender ornaments, no exterior
mirrors, and being radio delete, no antennas. If I could find lit detailing
how painted hubcaps were used, I would go that route too. I want a bare
bones street appearance ... the Anti-Christine, if you will. Right down to
the Buzzard Puke Green paint !
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RICKYMOPAR
Posted 2018-02-08 8:44 PM (#557716 - in reply to #556760)
Subject: Re: Quinn's '58 Plaza Club Coupe!



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John, Maybe we could build one of those twin plug Hemi engines. You know like the Studebaker. Think about it.

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58coupe
Posted 2018-02-09 11:35 AM (#557753 - in reply to #556760)
Subject: Re: Quinn's '58 Plaza Club Coupe!



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Somehow i don't think a Wright Cyclone 1820 will fit in a 58 Plymouth.
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2018-02-09 11:57 AM (#557755 - in reply to #557753)
Subject: Re: Quinn's '58 Plaza Club Coupe!



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...a little creative cutting and you might be able to get that thing in there.  The propeller, on the other hand....

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RICKYMOPAR
Posted 2018-02-09 4:27 PM (#557778 - in reply to #556760)
Subject: Re: Quinn's '58 Plaza Club Coupe!



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Still need a 60 spline hub.
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2018-04-12 5:00 PM (#561488 - in reply to #557778)
Subject: Re: Quinn's '58 Plaza Club Coupe!



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Any news on PlazaBlanca?

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