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lonesome mopar
Posted 2018-02-09 10:52 AM (#557749)
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I am absolutely astonished for the prices of starter motors (direct drive)  asked on the web for 57 - 58  plymouths.

These are old parts,  and they are supposed to be suitable for the average home mechanic's pockets, and yet those guys they ask the same price of a brand new reduction gear starter motor !! I would call this GREED.

I remember I bought a spare one,  four or five years ago and they were all around 50 dollars.

Come on, you guys who put old parts for sale, do not ask those outraging prices for old parts!

The world is round and what goes around comes around !

When I put something for sale on the web I enjoy offering them at the lowest price possible. That had always returned to me in blessings from other people, and the quality of my life automatically increased.

Just a little thought of an old man.

 

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wizard
Posted 2018-02-09 11:17 AM (#557750 - in reply to #557749)
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This is one of the reasons that I renovate next to anything for me and my friends.
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mikes2nd
Posted 2018-02-09 11:53 AM (#557754 - in reply to #557749)
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I see rebuilt starters for 150$. are you saying rebuilt were 50$?

I have 3 starters just sitting here, I think the ones needing rebuilt sell for like 30-50$

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Powerflite
Posted 2018-02-09 12:44 PM (#557759 - in reply to #557749)
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There seem to be many sellers that are willing to sit on stuff, thinking that eventually they will sell to some sucker for the high price they are asking. When other sellers see those high prices, they typically list their prices to match, even though the market doesn't support those prices. I see this all the time with Chrysler hemi parts. People list the original (small outlet) exhaust manifolds for $100 each when the reality is they will be lucky to give them away. The total lack of sales doesn't seem to stop them from listing it like that though. Also, water pump housings for $150-$200, bare heads for $800, single 4bbl Chrysler intakes for $200. None of these prices match with reality, but they are all over ebay. So people who would like to get some of this stuff for a more market driven price are forced to go elsewhere like craigslist, the Hotheads swap-meet or the good ole forwardlook site. But these sellers give off this false reality to other people too. I can't count the number of times that I have told people at swap meets that their old hemi stuff wasn't worth anywhere near what they were asking. "But that's the price I saw it on Ebay for", they always say...... Fine, hang on to it for the rest of your life trying to sell it at that level. But I end up purchasing the misc. small stuff from them for peanuts, that they really could have gotten pretty good money for....
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KcImperial
Posted 2018-02-09 12:53 PM (#557760 - in reply to #557749)
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This is simple economics of supply and demand. The typical local junkyard doesn't have these parts any more. The popularity of the internet has helped bring out more parts but also brought more buyers too.

Another thing to consider is shipping costs. These old direct drive starters are heavy and expensive to ship. Items need a certain value to justify shipping costs not only to the buyer but also to the seller in the event of a return. This is also one of the disadvantages to internationl selling.

Try buying a starter for a 58 Imperial or even better - some nice tail light lenses or a quarter panel. It's not a question of price but where to find any.
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57chizler
Posted 2018-02-09 2:04 PM (#557766 - in reply to #557749)
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lonesome mopar - 2018-02-09 7:52 AM
I would call this GREED


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8y6DJAeolo
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57burb
Posted 2018-02-09 2:14 PM (#557770 - in reply to #557766)
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Also remember that the pool of available parts is drying up. That will necessarily make the prices go higher.

When I sell something, I have to consider how difficult it will be to locate, negotiate, and buy another! I have only sold a handful of parts over the past few years. Without exception I regretted selling them because I ended up having to find another one to refurbish or replace on my own car. It makes me hesitant to sell the parts I do have. At this point you can call me a hoarder!
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di_ch_NY56
Posted 2018-02-09 2:44 PM (#557772 - in reply to #557760)
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KcImperial - 2018-02-08 6:53 PM This is simple economics of supply and demand. The typical local junkyard doesn't have these parts any more. The popularity of the internet has helped bring out more parts but also brought more buyers too. Another thing to consider is shipping costs. These old direct drive starters are heavy and expensive to ship. Items need a certain value to justify shipping costs not only to the buyer but also to the seller in the event of a return. This is also one of the disadvantages to internationl selling. Try buying a starter for a 58 Imperial or even better - some nice tail light lenses or a quarter panel. It's not a question of price but where to find any.

If you live in the States or Canada you could travel from junk yard to junk yard and might be lucky to find what you're looking for. But for all FLK drivers outside the States and Canada (think overeseas) have to find a way to get what is needed. If you do not have relatives or good friends helping you, then the options are to buy a flight ticket and a rental car or use a platform like epain even if it's known for farmacy prices.

Dieter



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KcImperial
Posted 2018-02-09 8:53 PM (#557803 - in reply to #557772)
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di_ch_NY56 - 2018-02-09 1:44 PM
If you live in the States or Canada you could travel from junk yard to junk yard and might be lucky to find what you're looking for. But for all FLK drivers outside the States and Canada (think overeseas) have to find a way to get what is needed. If you do not have relatives or good friends helping you, then the options are to buy a flight ticket and a rental car or use a platform like epain even if it's known for farmacy prices. Dieter

And that's exactly what I did in the 1980's and early 1990's but those days are over and have been gone for at least a decade. Good luck finding Forwardlook parts in any typical junkyard now. Even for us US residents, there's Big M, and a couple more in CA and AZ (Imperial Heaven in NE if you need Imperial stuff) and then there's eBay or forum groups like this one. Low supply and equal or higher demand makes this a seller's market.

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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2018-02-10 12:22 PM (#557837 - in reply to #557803)
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In 1979, you could drive around and see finned cars just sitting alongside
garages and in driveways, where they had not moved since the oil embargo.
Stopping and asking about them often resulted in people giving them to us,
just to get them gone.

Ten years ago, a loud contingent of members on this site where crying about
how our cars "got no respect". It was a rurning point, as general interest and
prices were starting to climb. I remember telling these people that they had
better be careful what they wish for, as they would soon find themselves priced
out of their own game by the "Barrett-Jackson" crowd. It wasn't more than a
couple rotations of high profile B-J auctions and they got their wish, and soon
they were gone. Those disrespected cars they enjoyed and wanted everyone
else to envy them for were now too expensive for them to own and they sold
out.

I wish they were all just $50 beaters again. I could drive and leave them anywhere.
No one would bother them, parts were easy to get and cheap. It was MY game
and MY pleasure, and it was cheap and easy to enjoy. Some things have become
a lot easier in the hobby, but by-and-large, this is no longer an inexpensive way
to have fun. Bring in the money men factor and the whole game changes.
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Powerflite
Posted 2018-02-12 12:15 PM (#557955 - in reply to #557749)
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Here are some examples of what I am talking about. Despite multiple examples of $100/head that never sell, this guy thinks his is worth $450 + shipping. Once the cheap ones fall off the map, others may start listing their heads at the same $450 amount thinking that's what they sell for, because that is the only amount they see on ebay.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/1958-392ci-HEMI-CYLINDER-HEAD-616/112027608...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-1958-MOPAR-392-HEMI-EXHAUST-MANIFOLDS-...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/331-354-392-HEMI-WATER-CROSSOVER/2022260246...
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local2Ed
Posted 2018-02-12 12:21 PM (#557956 - in reply to #557749)
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Powerflite
Posted 2018-02-12 12:30 PM (#557958 - in reply to #557749)
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Not when the band is charging triple what others charge. You just find a different band that doesn't charge as much.
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big m
Posted 2018-02-12 12:42 PM (#557959 - in reply to #557749)
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318 starters are fairly common, but the early 361 and 350 starters are getting really scarce. Usually if I have one go bad, I'll take the armature and case from a 318 starter, and transfer over the nosecone, as long as tooth count on the Bendix is the same.

---John
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moparsteve
Posted 2018-02-12 12:47 PM (#557961 - in reply to #557749)
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youll have to pay up when these parts are all gone to the junkyard in the sky...... what a heaven it will be.....

FLYING FORWARD LOOKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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mikes2nd
Posted 2018-02-12 1:46 PM (#557967 - in reply to #557958)
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Powerflite - 2018-02-12 12:30 PM Not when the band is charging triple what others charge. You just find a different band that doesn't charge as much.

this is just greed, and people thinking their stuff is worth triple and hoping to screw a guy in need.  If there are not 50$ starters for sale, they may only think they have no other choice?

This isnt a fwl problem.  Its everywhere.

 

Take "rare parts" they take a 20$ Moog part, "unbrand it" and charge 4 times for it? 

Its just 'taking advantage' of uniformed consumers and sellers will do this more and more.

Tropican sells "Trop 50"...  genius... some guy said "well water down our orange juics, stick some stevia sweetener in it and call it healthy! half the calories!"... so some guy at pepsico got a raise for selling water for the price of juice...

Alsa "easy chrome"  90$ a paint can and its absoulte junk...  Blur the video a little and whammo you have a million hits with people scrambling to buy it... 

pay double for a smartphone with 25% less features? theres an iphone for that.  (this one you can argue at least).

Welcome to the world of commercialism :)  and its only going to get worse.  Soon we may end up likes China, no regulations, not even a consumer protection agency, filling our milk with plastic to make it look like it has more protein... selling fake booze and beer... maximize profit! as quickly as possible.  Got a problem? change your companay name!  start it up again.

 

 



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Powerflite
Posted 2018-02-19 9:18 AM (#558386 - in reply to #557955)
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Powerflite - 2018-02-12 9:15 AM

Here are some examples of what I am talking about.
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-1958-MOPAR-392-HEMI-EXHAUST-MANIFOLDS-...

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Since that guy has his listed at $200, my worthless manifolds must be worth at least $315!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/372225857357?ul_noapp=true
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2018-02-19 10:21 AM (#558391 - in reply to #558386)
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Semi-related:

I collect all sorts of old steam era junk. It all started with old glass
telephone/power insulators. Began my fascination with the sparkly
glass things over 50 years ago, and understandably, I have a fairly
impressive collection and am well-known in the hobby, etc. I am
also well-versed in how the hobby has evolved and popularity/value
trends. In the last 5 years it has just gone bonkers ....

Last night an online auction ended, and some of the really rare and
exotic stuff pulled in predictably large numbers. But other stuff ....
like a CD 124.3 in boring aqua. Something like this has always been
a $50-$100 item. It sold for $990 !!! There were a half dozen examples
like this in a 50 lot auction.

Maybe I am just not keeping up with "the times", but since I have two dozen
of these in colors far more rare and desirable than boring aqua, I see
no sense in chasing a boring one up to nearly a grand ! I can understand
the big money on rare and never-seen stuff, be that old cars or other
collectible old junk, but common stuff ??? I am just not tracking. Takes
the "carefree, just-have-fun-with-it" paradigm out of anything when it
becomes so stupidly expensive that you feel the need to guard it with
your life.
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firedome
Posted 2018-02-19 10:41 AM (#558394 - in reply to #557749)
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Don't despair, when the bottom falls out of the economy, prices for all frivolous non-essentials will head back towards zero and it's hand pumps and shovels that will be in demand from what's left in the money supply.

Edited by firedome 2018-02-19 3:12 PM
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mikes2nd
Posted 2018-02-19 10:56 AM (#558397 - in reply to #557749)
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Sounds like I need to talk to some glass makers about repopping some insulators no no trust me all original!

saw one go for 6000$ on ebay... zoinks
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2018-02-19 10:17 PM (#558435 - in reply to #558397)
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When I became interested in old junk (I was really young), it was
ALL just OLD JUNK. Just because a few people thought it was cool
made no difference. It was all just junk. As the moneypeople make
it all a trendy way to "show off", it becomes more of a cliché and less
and less cool, by association. At one time, my life centered around
the search for and ownership of my DeSoto convertible. I use the
word "convertible" specifically, because that was central to the interest.
And back then, no one cared.

Now that everyone wants one and the dollar value has exponentially
exceeded the cool value, my interest has turned to sedans and other
pre-war stuff that is falling out of fashion with the big money people.
It is something "organic", as opposed to contrived. Some people will
"get it". Some never will. Sadly, I have been priced out of my own
enjoyment of something that used to mean a lot to me. It's not that
I don't have the car or have the money. It is paradigm that has changed.
It just isn't fun anymore.
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ttotired
Posted 2018-02-20 12:58 AM (#558448 - in reply to #557749)
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I have a 57 poly 4 barrel intake that cost me $700 AU all up to buy and get here that I don't need. No one wants it for that.

It will stay on my wall forever. No greed, but I don't see why I should give it away for less, as for starters, same goes, none available here

If you want it, you pay, and as said, not just mopar. Stuff for my buick is like hemi prices
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Powerflite
Posted 2018-02-20 2:44 AM (#558452 - in reply to #557749)
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Your poly manifold value depends a lot on which poly. I suspect you are talking about a manifold for an "A" motor like the 318. If so, the aluminum Weiand versions sell for more than the stock ones and are cheaper to ship across the waters. That's likely the reason for the discrepancy in value - due to the high cost of shipping a big piece of cast iron.
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56RatKing
Posted 2018-02-20 8:18 PM (#558532 - in reply to #558448)
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ttotired - 2018-02-20 12:58 AM

I have a 57 poly 4 barrel intake that cost me $700 AU all up to buy and get here that I don't need. No one wants it for that.

It will stay on my wall forever. No greed, but I don't see why I should give it away for less, as for starters, same goes, none available here

If you want it, you pay, and as said, not just mopar. Stuff for my buick is like hemi prices


And s**t like that cheeses me off. I'd love a 4 bbl intake for my 56 poly but people like you make it impossible. Enjoy your f'ing wall hanger.
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