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drosera88
Posted 2018-03-14 4:32 PM (#559889)
Subject: 57 Firesweep Roller $9800



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Might be a good deal for someone who has a spare motor and tranny lying around. Body looks pretty solid and most of the trim seems to be there. 

https://cleveland.craigslist.org/cto/d/1957-desoto/6530323990.html

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Lancer Mike
Posted 2018-03-14 5:47 PM (#559895 - in reply to #559889)
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I'm guessing that's the same one...

 

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=67498&posts=4&highlight=57 Firesweep&highlightmode=1#M554394

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drosera88
Posted 2018-03-14 7:39 PM (#559902 - in reply to #559895)
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Lancer Mike - 2018-03-14 4:47 PM

I'm guessing that's the same one...

 

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=67498&posts=4&highlight=57 Firesweep&highlightmode=1#M554394

I think your right! Except it's moved from Colorado to Cleveland! And the price has gone up by $200. Buyer's remorse? Maybe the other guy bought it and realized that he had bit off more than he could chew work wise. 

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macedon
Posted 2018-03-14 9:31 PM (#559918 - in reply to #559902)
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Nice car.

A few things to deal with for sure aside from the no motor/tranny issue.

That trunk looks pretty sketchy...

58 exhaust ports

Edited by macedon 2018-03-14 9:41 PM
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56D500boy
Posted 2018-03-14 10:46 PM (#559920 - in reply to #559918)
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macedon - 2018-03-14 9:31 PM
That trunk looks pretty sketchy...
58 exhaust ports


Based on the headlights, I was going to ask "Isn't that a 58?"

Now that you point out the exhaust ports, I have to ask "Isn't that a 58?"





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1958 Firesweep Stuff:







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tnlowrider
Posted 2018-03-15 12:30 AM (#559923 - in reply to #559920)
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Looks like a 57 Firesweep with some 58 parts. The visor front roof is a clear giveaway.
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56D500boy
Posted 2018-03-15 1:55 AM (#559925 - in reply to #559923)
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tnlowrider - 2018-03-15 12:30 AM

Looks like a 57 Firesweep with some 58 parts. The visor front roof is a clear giveaway.


Probably maybe. Only the VIN number would tell the truth (unless that was messed with too).

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57burb
Posted 2018-03-15 10:41 AM (#559935 - in reply to #559923)
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Pretty sure we're looking at a '57 that has been repaired front and rear with '58 parts. The windshield header is pretty definitive, but that unobtanium '57 sweep trim is another clue.

I cannot imagine paying 10 grand for a cobbled together car that needs everything. I would rather find an untouched original that also needs everything. At least there are no mysteries.
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Powerflite
Posted 2018-03-15 8:25 PM (#559963 - in reply to #559889)
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I wouldn't call this cobbled together though. The '58 quad headlights are a HUGE improvement over the single '57 versions. If I owned a '57 Firesweep, this is exactly what I would do with it as well. I think it is as good as a '57 Firesweep ever gets. However, that's a steep price for a car with missing drivetrain.
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mikes2nd
Posted 2018-03-15 9:15 PM (#559970 - in reply to #559935)
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57burb - 2018-03-15 10:41 AM  I cannot imagine paying 10 grand for a cobbled together car that needs everything. I would rather find an untouched original that also needs everything.

 

where do you find a good rust free, complete desoto for 10k?  that car would be 18-20k with an engine...

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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2018-03-15 10:19 PM (#559974 - in reply to #559970)
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This car is NOT a DeSoto. It is a Firesweep, and yes, there is a difference !
Like a completely different frame and chassis, suspension, and drivetrain, never
mind the ponderously heavy "eyebrow" front end. Maybe a Firesweep is "close
enough" for some. To this Mopar guy, make it a Dodge or a DeSoto, but the
mix-n-match car ? ... that is a no-go.
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58coronet
Posted 2018-03-16 1:02 AM (#559979 - in reply to #559889)
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It's a Desoto Firesweep. We all know the difference. Get over it.
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2018-03-16 1:17 AM (#559980 - in reply to #559979)
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It's a Dodge with some DeSoto body skin and interior.
Get over yourself.
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mikes2nd
Posted 2018-03-16 1:46 AM (#559981 - in reply to #559889)
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Desoto PUT a Desoto badge on it... ITS A DESOTO!

Period! fricking Dodge racists...
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2018-03-16 2:12 AM (#559985 - in reply to #559981)
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I like 57-58 Dodge. I like 57-58 DeSoto.

Just don't go fer them half-breeds ! Hehehehe !

My bias for not calling Firesweeps "DeSotos" stems from the too many trips
I made to buy "DeSotos" for my wrecking yard, only to get there and find yet
another Firesweep, .... a car that rarely had much value for parts. Very few
people were fixing up Dodges at the time, no one wanted Firesweep parts,
and very little from a Firesweep actually interchanges with a real DeSoto. It
was always a disappointment to drive a long way with a trailer, only to find a
Firesweep.
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FINS!
Posted 2018-03-16 12:08 PM (#560007 - in reply to #559889)
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It's a Desoto. It doesn't have Dodge fins, Dodge dash or Dodge trim, etc ,etc and it wasn't sold by Dodge. That's an idiotic claim. As for the car, 10k would seem ok to me if it didn't have the 58 front fenders as that makes you wonder..... Odd that a car in this condition has no motor.
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1960fury
Posted 2018-03-16 6:32 PM (#560028 - in reply to #560007)
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FINS! - 2018-03-16 12:08 PM

It's a Desoto. It doesn't have Dodge fins, Dodge dash or Dodge trim, etc ,etc and it wasn't sold by Dodge. That's an idiotic claim.


yes, it is and most importantly it has a totally different roofline. the funny thing is "doc's" way of thinking makes the fullsize desotos chryslers and not desotos. so you could say the firesweeps are the only true desotos, as they are the only desotos with a desoto-only body.
at least i prefer the sweeps, with their eager to eat miles of highway face, over the tame looking senior models.
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Powerflite
Posted 2018-03-16 6:59 PM (#560029 - in reply to #559889)
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I like them because they are shorter. The Dodge wheelbase is easier to park and is lighter. But in terms of looks, I prefer the upper models. At least the Firesweep grille looks better than the '58 Windsor grille. I am thinking that a '58 Windsor with a '59 firesweep front end might be a nice combo to put together. What do you think?
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drosera88
Posted 2018-03-16 7:30 PM (#560033 - in reply to #560028)
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1960fury - 2018-03-16 5:32 PM yes, it is and most importantly it has a totally different roofline. the funny thing is "doc's" way of thinking makes the fullsize desotos chryslers and not desotos. so you could say the firesweeps are the only true desotos, as they are the only desotos with a desoto-only body.

Haha! He's got you there! 

So what exactly are the Plodges then?? Plymouths or Dodges? 



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57DODGECONV
Posted 2018-03-16 7:47 PM (#560035 - in reply to #559889)
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Titled as Dodges ,but mostly contains Plymouth parts .
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56D500boy
Posted 2018-03-17 1:05 AM (#560044 - in reply to #560035)
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57DODGECONV - 2018-03-16 7:47 PM

Titled as Dodges ,but mostly contains Plymouth parts .


But only in Canada, eh?
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mikes2nd
Posted 2018-03-17 1:09 AM (#560045 - in reply to #559889)
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yeah Desoto's are actually just Chryslers
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macedon
Posted 2018-03-17 8:31 AM (#560051 - in reply to #559889)
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Now that the "truth" about DeSotos is out I'm sure many of you will decide to sell all your DeSoto cars that are masquerading as other cars. Give me a call
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57DODGECONV
Posted 2018-03-17 1:45 PM (#560064 - in reply to #559889)
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Well my two 58 Mayfair Convertibles started life at the Detroit Plymouth plant for the Canadian market ,spent 58 years in Canada now there back outside Detroit getting restored ,I have always loved the Canadian cars !
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2018-03-17 1:58 PM (#560066 - in reply to #560044)
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If one knows their Mopar design history, they would know that the
senior DeSoto/Chrysler styling/body came out of the DeSoto design
studio and was adopted for the 57 Chrysler as well as the DeSoto,
not the other way around.

A senior 57-58 DeSoto IS a DeSoto design, not a Chrysler design.

Seems that lits of car people want to get defensive of actually stating
facts and real history. There is nothing "wrong" with a Firesweep or
other hybridized car, but let's call a spade "a spade", ... it is a special,
hybridized design, built on a Dodge frame and chassis and drivetrain.
They were not built by DeSoto. They were built on the Dodge production
lines. The only thing "DeSoto" about them is the rear body shell and
interior. Those are FACTS.

When it comes time to hunt down parts for eitherm, since the Firesweep
is 90% Dodge, knowing it is a Firesweep and not a DeSoto is pretty
important to note. As I stated in my first post, there IS a difference.
Take offense and get all butt hurt, as you please. Those are just facts.

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firedome
Posted 2018-03-17 3:03 PM (#560069 - in reply to #559889)
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It's all sort of a pointless debate, they're all FL Mopars, and whatever flavor you favor, it's all good!
There were all sorts of model permutations, just like at Ford and GM, all coming down to branding and cost.
Sweeps and some Windsors are basically gussied up Dodges, Plodges &c exports were mostly Plymouths, there were even Australian DeSotos that were discontinued and obsolete Plymouths, Edsels were Fords or Mercurys, essentially, so it goes, on and on.

Dealers demanded bargain-priced models for their brand and they got them. "Sr" and "Jr" cars have their own merits, I've owned 3-5 examples of each...and loved them all! '57/58 Chryslers and DeSotos were styled by the DeSoto studio, not vice versa, according to our erstwhile Mopar styling studio member (who hasn't been around for awhile, hope he's OK). But DeSotos were always just de-contented Chryslers, skin-deep styling did come from DeSoto those 2 years (anyone know what studio did the '59s? actual opinion of them notwithstanding!). Pretty sure Chrylser did the 1960s. Mopar's studios often shared ideas, but it's what's underneath that counts, and DeSotos were still basically bargain-priced Chryslers, as always, DeSoto clearly would not have existed independent of Chrysler, and the analogous DeSoto was always slightly cheaper, model for model, as Chrysler was the foundation brand for the Corporation. Arguing as to what is a "true" this or that brand leads to nowhere.

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mikes2nd
Posted 2018-04-09 1:50 PM (#561310 - in reply to #559889)
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but its back...

https://cleveland.craigslist.org/cto/d/1957-desoto/6530323990.html

that's still a good deal for someone looking to get in I think.

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