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hemiviper588
Posted 2018-04-03 9:13 AM (#561036)
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It needs a LOT of work but it should be saved.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/202278640078?ul_noapp=true
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mikes2nd
Posted 2018-04-03 10:18 AM (#561038 - in reply to #561036)
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this ought to be interesting...
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Mike McCandless
Posted 2018-04-03 10:26 AM (#561039 - in reply to #561036)
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Would be amazing to have FI on it
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jboymechanic
Posted 2018-04-03 10:49 AM (#561042 - in reply to #561036)
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It will be interesting to see the final price on this one.

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big m
Posted 2018-04-03 11:49 AM (#561043 - in reply to #561036)
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I owned that car for about 12 years, and sold it last fall. Looks like he's done a few things to it since.

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Lancer Mike
Posted 2018-04-03 12:31 PM (#561045 - in reply to #561043)
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That's a vey unusual car originally equipped with EFI and dual air!  It would take a boatload of cash to get it back to that state again.  We're talkin' a SuperTanker boatload.

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Posted 2018-04-03 1:48 PM (#561051 - in reply to #561036)
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It looks like he traded bodies on it for one that is really, REALLY rusty, but not bent. I much prefer bent to rusty. What happened to the original body, I wonder.

The unusual oil fill tube is unique to the EFI cars, but I really don't see how the EFI history of it would increase its value. Those parts are truly unobtainable. Money to gather them isn't the issue. They just aren't available. So why spend extra cash on it?? Not to mention that with a body that no longer has the same VIN, now you don't even have the numbers to back it up. To me, it is missing a lot of expensive dual quad parts that should make it sell a lot cheaper, not to mention the rust monster that has taken over that body. I would give him $6K at most.
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mikes2nd
Posted 2018-04-03 3:31 PM (#561065 - in reply to #561036)
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a turning 392 hemi is worth 4k alone... a 57 FI title and vin are worth probably more than 1000$ its ALREADY up to 12k... So your pricing is way outdated man

But if his spare car is actually a rust free body, thats worth a pretty penny there. Probably 6-8k nowdays if not more.

 

 



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finsruskw
Posted 2018-04-03 4:15 PM (#561070 - in reply to #561036)
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John, by the looks of it I think he has done more than just a few things to it, if indeed it is the same car.
The picture of the VIN appears to be the original tag and not messed with.

The brass section (belt guard) of the upper rad hose is correct for the car w/factory A/C which the car was obviously built with

Looks as if someone has performed a miracle of sorts on that left rear 1/4.

The car looks to have been sanded down to the original Mesa Tan paint job.

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Powerflite
Posted 2018-04-03 4:26 PM (#561071 - in reply to #561065)
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mikes2nd - 2018-04-03 12:31 PM

a turning 392 hemi is worth 4k alone... a 57 FI title and vin are worth probably more than 1000$ its ALREADY up to 12k... So your pricing is way outdated man



Nowhere does he state the motor condition, but $2.5K is the going rate for a complete motor that needs rebuilding. More if it is an original "3N" 300 motor with the adjustable rockers & proper valve covers. Although many people list these motors for more than that price, they almost never actually sell at the higher amounts. I have 5 different 392 hemi motors and I have never paid more than $1500 for one, 2 of which I purchased within the last 3 years.

But if his spare car is actually a rust free body, thats worth a pretty penny there. Probably 6-8k nowdays if not more.



A completely stripped down small window Saratoga that you have to swap roofs onto? Not even close to that amount. More like $2K, but the fact that you have to pay to haul it makes it more of a pain, so maybe $1500. There was a complete, rust free, large window '58 Windsor 2dr for sale in Bakersfield for $3500 last November. You wouldn't have nearly the trouble swapping with that body as you would with this Saratoga, and you could make back money from all the extra parts you could sell from it afterward. Here is a link to it.

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=67319&...

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mikes2nd
Posted 2018-04-03 6:09 PM (#561080 - in reply to #561036)
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find me a rust free body right now on the market for 3500$ for this car. im saying yeah "remember when"... Being in ca helps im sure. that's not a run of the mill 392... I don't think you can find one either...

so if you cant find them? how do you put a price on "not for sale"? you up your price to a reasonable amount

forget about that 392 amount for 3500$, youd prob have to cough up 8-9k for a real 300 motor if you can find someone to part with it. 



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BarnesCoreDrilling
Posted 2018-04-03 6:48 PM (#561085 - in reply to #561036)
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Thanks for all the interest everyone in the Fuel Injected 300D, yes this is the real deal as I got it from John at Big M last year.......same car....all engine trans and body numbers match....before I got it he was very up front and honest to me about the cars condition being repainted, hit in the left quarter, and rocker rust .....This car is very saveable so I decided to try to get the car back to stock condition so I sanded off the dark blue repaint and amazingly got mostly back to the original Mesa Tan paint....after buffing it, it even shined up, I then pulled the quarter and most of the damage came out. You just have to know what you are doing.....Obviously original injection set-up is gone but original engine and trans remain...including solid lifter cam, adjustable rockers and dimpled valve covers .....so not sure what some members are talking about on here?
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Posted 2018-04-03 7:07 PM (#561088 - in reply to #561036)
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Sorry, that really didn't look like the same body on there. Your description of it is making more sense now.

Mike, you can get a complete '58 2dr car - right now for $4500 with big window. Interested?
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Posted 2018-04-03 7:08 PM (#561089 - in reply to #561036)
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Posted 2018-04-03 7:22 PM (#561090 - in reply to #561036)
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Posted 2018-04-03 7:56 PM (#561095 - in reply to #561088)
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Powerflite - 2018-04-03 7:07 PM Sorry, that really didn't look like the same body on there. Your description of it is making more sense now. Mike, you can get a complete '58 2dr car - right now for $4500 with big window. Interested?

RUST FREEE!!!??? : )

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matte
Posted 2018-04-03 9:28 PM (#561099 - in reply to #561036)
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Wow $50K already!

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Posted 2018-04-03 9:36 PM (#561100 - in reply to #561099)
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OK rare car but $50K.......REALLY???

I have a special order (1 of 7) 300D with every conceivable option incl air, auto pilot,4 bolt exhaust factory RED interior black exterior, running driving car. Should I expect to get $150K for this
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Posted 2018-04-03 10:02 PM (#561103 - in reply to #561036)
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did it have fuel injection? no? then its just a 300D    Its great its highly optioned and that will help and if its perfect just wait a few more years.

i think someone's screwing his auction.



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CaprockClassics
Posted 2018-04-03 10:18 PM (#561104 - in reply to #561036)
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I think some bidders (with serious feedback and experience) are letting the EFI thing go to their heads. Hypothetically, if this car was 100% restored and perfect, it's worth what? $175-225k? At most? So, considering the intake, wiring, and modules are all missing and nearly impossible to find, the restoration would be at a standstill for years, and could ultimately cost over $120k. So is this worth $50k as is? I'd say just barely. But I'd want to look it over in person and have some rare parts lined up in advance before throwing that kind of money around...

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hemiviper588
Posted 2018-04-03 10:30 PM (#561105 - in reply to #561104)
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MAYBE just maybe...a GENUINE Forward Look enthusiast is interested in buying it because they want to preserve an important piece of Chrysler history! If I had the $$ wherewithal to restore such an animal, I would! Regardless of cost or investment sense that it may not make. Find another one!
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Posted 2018-04-03 11:35 PM (#561108 - in reply to #561036)
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Well it is numbers matching and if you have that fuel injection setup, you would have a very high end car and probably a museum piece. This is the one of the first 18? electronic fuel injection cars sold in history. Were still using it today. The 57 Rambler was only pre production with this same setup, never sold to the public. I see the setups selling every once in a while for 6000$, I think no one threw them away. Has anyone ever ever seen a FI car?

okay he fixed the auction, back to 15k



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matte
Posted 2018-04-04 12:33 AM (#561110 - in reply to #561108)
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Bid retraction and cancellation history
Bidder Action Date of Bid and Retraction
u***b(278) Retracted:$152,000.00 Bid:3 Apr 2018 at 6:49:13PM PDT
Retracted:3 Apr 2018 at 8:27:44PM PDT


I would say the bidder thought that the injection was removed and still had somewhere. A lot don't read the descriptions. Or just a clown.





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Posted 2018-04-04 1:56 AM (#561112 - in reply to #561103)
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mikes2nd - 2018-04-03 10:02 PM

did it have fuel injection? no? then its just a 300D    Its great its highly optioned and that will help and if its perfect just wait a few more years.

i think someone's screwing his auction.




Yeah just another 300D with red interior and factory 2 1/2" exhaust air freighted to Quatemala in 1958. Itd be so much harder finding a EFI 300D missing the EFI........oh hang on there's been 3 up for sale in the last couple of years or so.
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Posted 2018-04-04 2:13 AM (#561114 - in reply to #561036)
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Posted 2018-04-04 2:16 AM (#561115 - in reply to #561036)
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I wonder if the fuel pump has been left in the tank?

Was it Gil Cunninghams EFI 300D that still had the pump installed?
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Posted 2018-04-04 2:22 AM (#561116 - in reply to #561115)
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ram300 - 2018-04-04 2:16 AM

I wonder if the fuel pump has been left in the tank?

Was it Gil Cunninghams EFI 300D that still had the pump installed?


Whoops shoulda looked at the trunk pic of this car it has the blank cover plate installed........
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Posted 2018-04-04 6:57 AM (#561124 - in reply to #561104)
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CaprockClassics - 2018-04-03 9:18 PM

I think some bidders (with serious feedback and experience) are letting the EFI thing go to their heads. Hypothetically, if this car was 100% restored and perfect, it's worth what? $175-225k? At most? So, considering the intake, wiring, and modules are all missing and nearly impossible to find, the restoration would be at a standstill for years, and could ultimately cost over $120k. So is this worth $50k as is? I'd say just barely. But I'd want to look it over in person and have some rare parts lined up in advance before throwing that kind of money around...

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Posted 2018-04-04 11:00 AM (#561132 - in reply to #561051)
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Powerflite - 2018-04-03 10:48 AM

It looks like he traded bodies on it for one that is really, REALLY rusty, but not bent. I much prefer bent to rusty. What happened to the original body, I wonder.

The unusual oil fill tube is unique to the EFI cars, but I really don't see how the EFI history of it would increase its value. Those parts are truly unobtainable. Money to gather them isn't the issue. They just aren't available. So why spend extra cash on it?? Not to mention that with a body that no longer has the same VIN, now you don't even have the numbers to back it up. To me, it is missing a lot of expensive dual quad parts that should make it sell a lot cheaper, not to mention the rust monster that has taken over that body. I would give him $6K at most.


From what he told me, he straightened the damage the best he could, then sanded the black paint down to the original color. I don't think he changed out any of the body, except, the hood, as I gave him a mint one with it.
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Posted 2018-04-04 11:02 AM (#561133 - in reply to #561089)
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What is it with youze guys and dollars ? It this a car, or is it
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Mike McCandless
Posted 2018-04-04 11:06 AM (#561134 - in reply to #561036)
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A high bidder may have a line of the EFI stuff. There is a lot of stuff out there we still don't know about. I'm surprised weekly by the stories I'm told or things offered to me that I haven't heard of before.
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Posted 2018-04-04 4:49 PM (#561158 - in reply to #561108)
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mikes2nd - 2018-04-03 9:35 PM

Has anyone ever ever seen a FI car?

 

There might have been one or two other 300's to surface, that I remember.  As far as I know the only complete EFI setup on a car is the Adventurer.

It is interesting to see that this car was built on March 6, 1958 and shipped out on March 31, 1958.  I always pictured the EFI program as an early production item.

This car was smack in the middle of the production run.  I wonder if it was one of the last EFI setups to get out the door?

 

The options list on this car is pretty cool!

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Posted 2018-04-04 5:08 PM (#561160 - in reply to #561036)
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A friend of mine has an original 300D EFI car. He's had it restored for many years, but is still working on getting the EFI parts together. I directed him toward the DeSoto EFI setup that was for sale recently and he bought it just for the throttle bodies.

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Posted 2018-04-04 8:13 PM (#561165 - in reply to #561036)
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I have the service manual for the EFI setup from 57, in prep for 58. I'm on my honeymoon now for 2 weeks. I'll work to get it scanned by end of month and happy to provide it to your friend if it will help.
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Posted 2018-04-04 8:15 PM (#561166 - in reply to #561036)
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That would be cool. Thanks. Enjoy your honeymoon and get off the computer!
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Posted 2018-04-04 9:19 PM (#561167 - in reply to #561036)
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I'm traveling for 30 hours. On my last leg now. I can't sleep on planes. Managed to buy a few signs while in the air, so it has been a great honeymoon already lol
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Posted 2018-04-05 9:46 AM (#561181 - in reply to #561160)
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Powerflite - 2018-04-04 5:08 PM

A friend of mine has an original 300D EFI car. He's had it restored for many years, but is still working on getting the EFI parts together. I directed him toward the DeSoto EFI setup that was for sale recently and he bought it just for the throttle bodies.


I was wondering if that ever sold. How much does he have of the EFI system? I was interested in it, but late last year I bought a restored car and I axed that plan.
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Posted 2018-04-05 10:46 AM (#561184 - in reply to #561036)
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I'm not sure. I know he is working on the electronics now. He should be getting close now that he has the throttle bodies.
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Posted 2018-04-05 12:48 PM (#561188 - in reply to #561184)
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Does anyone know if any EFI converts were made? I know of the 58 Desoto Adventurer convert that runs, any others? Pics?



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Posted 2018-04-05 2:11 PM (#561191 - in reply to #561188)
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Value wise, I don't see how a FI car without a FI setup is any different than a "one-off" color car.

That being said... I've got a couple neat 300s, but I can tell you that driving them gives you NO more happiness than driving any other 300 would. Doctor DeSoto hit the nail on the head. If you're buying an old car for values you're missing the big picture. Save your money and buy a solid driver.

 

And to Owen... That fully loaded black 300D with Red interior is my dream car. I'll trade you a couple Eldorados, three Chryslers, a Porsche, a steel bodied Willys and a semi-new Honda. Let me know where to FedEx them...



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Posted 2018-04-05 3:10 PM (#561193 - in reply to #561191)
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Hey Josh, just that ol' white on tan 300D sitting out back will be sufficient trade, nothing special 'bout that.....oh I suppse you could throw in that '55 as well you know the one with the 001 on it.......

Yes I'm hoping to get rich quick out of these cars, although so far I've noticed the cash has only flowed one way.
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Posted 2018-04-08 7:10 PM (#561285 - in reply to #561193)
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This is a pretty good older thread on the EFI cars. Very interesting photos of what was formerly Bob Dupin's 300D and the collection of EFI parts. Does anyone know where this car and these EFI parts ended up? It could be useful to the buyer of the car in question.

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=42214&...



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Posted 2018-04-17 11:47 PM (#561812 - in reply to #561036)
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Auction "Ended" at just over $30,000! Did it sell? If so, anyone here buy it?
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Posted 2018-04-18 1:58 AM (#561817 - in reply to #561812)
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Did not meet reserve. Seller still has it.
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Posted 2018-04-18 8:37 AM (#561823 - in reply to #561036)
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guy should have sold it for that... its in need of a ton of work.
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Posted 2018-04-18 12:09 PM (#561838 - in reply to #561188)
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There were two 300D convertibles built with EFI and both were white.

 

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The collection of parts and the former Dupin car passed by his will to a close friend who still has them and will not communicate regarding them.

 

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StillOutThere - 2018-04-18 12:10 PM

The collection of parts and the former Dupin car passed by his will to a close friend who still has them and will not communicate regarding them.

 



That's interesting... So they are still out there. Somewhere. It does make you wonder if there are others.
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Posted 2018-04-19 11:19 PM (#561949 - in reply to #561036)
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How do you not sell this car, in its present condition, for $30,000?!
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Posted 2018-04-19 11:31 PM (#561950 - in reply to #561036)
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