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hemidenis
Posted 2018-04-15 10:39 AM (#561665)
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What can I said..."Experts" didn't believe me, maybe the video will convince them...

Hint?..."experts" please look at the center hump...



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Posted 2018-04-15 11:01 AM (#561667 - in reply to #561665)
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to what actually you are reffering denis? just curious
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Posted 2018-04-15 11:56 AM (#561668 - in reply to #561665)
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Denis, this is a pre-production car - look on the AstraDome cluster gauges and you'll see that they are grey instead of silver.

This car have a carpet that are cut over the hump, as we well can see.

That said, my original carpet was pressed/molded without this seem, but when I replaced the carpet with a flat one I had to make this cut and also to Cold form the carpet with wet sea-sand bags.
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Posted 2018-04-15 5:36 PM (#561688 - in reply to #561665)
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Dear Seven "expert", first of all they are not seems, second it is not a cut, and this is not a pre-production car, that is just your third assumption. Please do not put this can in a special category either, you have no proof of that. Things change during the production run and I can give you several examples.

Sadly, you ideas in this forums are only law for delete/move/freeze threads, but regarding to original Chrysler manufacture proceedings we need proof, in the form of pictures or videos.

Those carpet wrinkles looks exactly the same as mines, and my car is not a pre-production, just admit it, the carpets were not molded as you told us 100 times, you just didn't know, before I pulled another proof to make you look like a real fool.

Nobody know everything about theses cars, but carpet is one I'm absolute sure of it, and I only know because I have one in my car. You are just spreading fake information, of something that you don't know.

Show me proof of what are you talking about, you have pictures of your original carpet? or we have to take you word for it? I just showed you a Chrysler video.











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Posted 2018-04-15 9:18 PM (#561694 - in reply to #561688)
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hemidenis - 2018-04-15 5:36 PM
Those carpet wrinkles looks exactly the same as mines, and my car is not a pre-production, just admit it, the carpets were not molded as you told us 100 times, before I pulled another proof to make you look like a real fool.


That is interesting. I'm not taking sides, but I see that Auto Custom Carpets offers molded carpets for the 1959 and 1960 Chryslers. They might have got the idea from the factory (or not)??

https://www.accmats.com/commerce/1960/Chrysler/Windsor/Flooring/1623...



In contrast, they only offer cut and sewn for the 1957-58 Chryslers

https://www.accmats.com/commerce/1958/Chrysler/New%20Yorker/Flooring...



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hemidenis
Posted 2018-04-15 9:28 PM (#561695 - in reply to #561665)
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they are also offering a dashboard pad which is not even close to the original, same a "just dashes". those carpet pictures are not even close to the original.
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Posted 2018-04-16 12:26 AM (#561698 - in reply to #561665)
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Denis, the car you show is a pre-production one. You can see the same car (or another pre-production car) in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTVlXXxva24.

Here you can see the gray cluster gauges, (@ 7.10) which you know didn't make it to the production series.
You can also see the ashtray with square formed lighter console, (@ 8.45) which you know didn't make it to the production series.
You can see the sloppy carpet in this video too - there's a fold over the hump.

You may also note that the temperature lever (@ 0.34 in the video you uploaded) and the turn signal lever is ways longer (@ 0.39 in the video you uploaded) on these cars than on the production cars.

Unfortunately I have only bad photos on my old carpet, but I'll upload them anyway.




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Posted 2018-04-16 7:27 AM (#561709 - in reply to #561665)
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Posted 2018-04-16 8:07 AM (#561710 - in reply to #561665)
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hemidenis
Posted 2018-04-16 4:06 PM (#561740 - in reply to #561665)
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So you judge a car as a "pre-production" just for gauge colors and small details?, seems like you like to come to huge conclusions very easy. Nobody know much about theses cars, only the VIN can tell you some of the story (ask Doc for his Desoto). They should be only 3 types of Astradomes gauges (60-61-62) but they are at least 5 types of configurations that nobody know where they came.

So according to you this "pre-production" car, made for shows, tv ads and public displays to attract customers will be put it together by a 5 years old Michigan kindergarten?

Did you ever inspected your "original carpet", did you wash it? No? where is that carpet now?

Well this is a "good" picture of mine, same color and everything but it is in a slightly better condition than yours.. An I can tell you it was not molded as you claim.



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Posted 2018-04-16 6:54 PM (#561746 - in reply to #561740)
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hemidenis - 2018-04-16 5:06 PM So you judge a car as a "pre-production" just for gauge colors and small details?, seems like you like to come to huge conclusions very easy. Nobody know much about theses cars, only the VIN can tell you some of the story (ask Doc for his Desoto). They should be only 3 types of Astradomes gauges (60-61-62) but they are at least 5 types of configurations that nobody know where they came. So according to you this "pre-production" car, made for shows, tv ads and public displays to attract customers will be put it together by a 5 years old Michigan kindergarten? Did you ever inspected your "original carpet", did you wash it? No? where is that carpet now? Well this is a "good" picture of mine, same color and everything but it is in a slightly better condition than yours.. An I can tell you it was not molded as you claim.

 

Denis......why so angry?

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Posted 2018-04-16 9:38 PM (#561753 - in reply to #561665)
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Posted 2018-04-17 12:59 AM (#561765 - in reply to #561740)
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hemidenis - 2018-04-16 10:06 PM

So you judge a car as a "pre-production" just for gauge colors and small details?, seems like you like to come to huge conclusions very easy. Nobody know much about theses cars, only the VIN can tell you some of the story (ask Doc for his Desoto). They should be only 3 types of Astradomes gauges (60-61-62) but they are at least 5 types of configurations that nobody know where they came.


Yes Denis, those small details shows that this is a pre-production car.

The AstraDome speedometer and gauge cluster is different in details and even construction for 60-61-62 (60 being the best and least cost effective).

So, that's 3 different types, then there's the pre-production one, the 300 150 mph speedos and the certified types, but the 5 types of configuration I never heard of and would be very interested to see - do you have any Pictures or documentation?

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Did you ever inspected your "original carpet", did you wash it? No? where is that carpet now?
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As you can see on my pictures, there was no reason to wash that carpet, the remains is packed down in my attic.

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Well this is a "good" picture of mine, same color and everything but it is in a slightly better condition than yours.. An I can tell you it was not molded as you claim.
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I never claimed that your carpet was molded Denis - I claimed that my oem carpet was molded.

There's also the difference that my carpet was a loop curl carpet, made in 2 parts, front and back - while yours seems to be cut pile (as it should be in a NY) and made in one piece.
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Posted 2018-04-17 9:45 PM (#561809 - in reply to #561665)
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First of all, I'm not angry, not even close. I’m actually very happy to finally see a Chrysler video as proof of how the carpets were made, and these cars in general.

I’m just perplex by someone like Seven who is attempting to make money of his knowledge in selling services, he came out and openly denied a fact that he doesn’t know about. Even worst, he kept doing this over and over again.

Seven, just the fact that Dave gave you power to delete/freeze/remove thread that you don't like in this dying forums, does not make your word law. Remember the incident of the car "center of gravity”? Well you are doing exactly the same thing….

These cars are a completely mystery, with a few known facts of how they were made, The late Neil “d500neil” could tell you about differences between Dodge production lines of what it made in different places, of a car that should be virtually the same everywhere.

Most importantly, if you don't know a fact for sure, just don't say anything. Even better, when someone shows proof against your statement, admit you were wrong.

"The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing," Socrates once said.

Carpet is a subject where your “experts” comments are misleading members, making them spent thousands of dollars in molded reproduction junk, trying to achieve something that can NOT BE DONE with modern materials. Your “expertise” in the subject is based on your false assumptions, using your petrified carpet as a guide, that you didn’t even care to study, and instead you just tossed it away.

Let me answer your post wizard:

“The AstraDome speedometer and gauge cluster is different in details and even construction for 60-61-62. So, that's 3 different types (wrong)”

“There's also the difference (wrong) that my carpet was a loop curl carpet, made in 2 parts, front and back - while yours seems to be cut pile (wrong) (as it should be in a NY(wrong)  and made in one piece (wrong)”. By the way Dodges had cut pile.

That is a new record of four “wrong” assumptions in a sentence!

I have to finish my taxes and paid Uncle Sam missiles, so I will continue tomorrow…



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Posted 2018-04-18 1:02 AM (#561815 - in reply to #561665)
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Instead of pointing out the errors you think I made, why don't you inform about the correct statements instead and show some documents Denis?

Here's a couple of my sources;

The pre-production dashboard, with the gray gauge cluster faces, the square shaped cig-lighter console and the glovebox cup holder function can also be seen in the 1960 Ross Roy, page A-6 (uploaded here below)

The carpet is first described in a very rare book, Styling and Engineering Features 1960 Chrysler see below.

Now that I showed some sources, which I presume could be thrustworthy, could we please see some of your sources Denis?

I'm sure that the members will appreciate your contribution.



I remember the COG very well, I showed a document that members didn't think existed. Heres the thread for your information Denis.
http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=54212&...

Since you start to derail your own thread, I'll let these last posts remain here for a couple of days - then they will be removed.
The last posts doesn't add to the value of the thread.

Try to post valid information instead of just ranting.




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hemidenis
Posted 2018-04-18 10:56 PM (#561868 - in reply to #561665)
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Good point Ian, early production cars had features changed during the production run, but for the "expert" you may have a rare pre-production car, a statement that will cover any bad assessment.

Obviously when the boat is sinking is threatening with deleting this post, which is something I will be pointing on him as a moderator for a quite long time.

Dear "expert" don't believe all you read!! you don't need this rare books, just look at the part numbers book with several parts numbers for the same exact thing.

I will post some point Friday when I can get early from work. Stay tune.
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Posted 2018-04-19 1:23 AM (#561874 - in reply to #561665)
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The glove box informations has been moved to a new separate thread for to be able to find it easier in the future.

The thread will not be deleted Denis, just some irrelevant posts that doesn't really belong here.

Did you did see the link to the COG? I hope you enjoyed reading it and perhaps even downloaded the information?

As I have informed you many times Denis, if you have any complaints on me as moderator, please take that up directly with Dave - he's the one that will "fire" me as a moderator if you can give him proper reasons.
When you convey your complaints, please do remember that the rules that we moderators police is actually set by the administrator and forum owner.
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Posted 2018-04-19 7:07 PM (#561928 - in reply to #561665)
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I spoke to Dave in person at Carlisle and he is too busy to deal with this BS. He promised he will be more involved in the forums, when his working schedule get slower..

Also please erase your comments about the BS of the pre-production glove box, because according to you got nothing to do with carpets, right? Someone proved you that you are WRONG and you erase it. Limit your comments to the carpet please.

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Posted 2018-04-19 9:49 PM (#561940 - in reply to #561665)
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It's gonna be hard for me to get angry over carpet. That said, I am concerned that when me and my girlfriend are, uh, sleeping in the back seat, she might look down at the carpet: "WHAT THE HECK IS WRONG WITH YOU?! YOU'VE GOT NON OEM MOLDED CARPET?!!!" And storm out of the car.
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Posted 2018-04-19 10:28 PM (#561942 - in reply to #561940)
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Well said ...very good ! (would her name be Stormy Daniels?)
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Posted 2018-04-20 12:41 AM (#561952 - in reply to #561928)
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hemidenis - 2018-04-20 1:07 AM

Also please erase your comments about the BS of the pre-production glove box, because according to you got nothing to do with carpets, right? Someone proved you that you are WRONG and you erase it. Limit your comments to the carpet please.


That post have been edited Denis. The glove box posts have been moved to a new thread since it's too inportant to get lost.

Here is a link for your convenience http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=68446
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Posted 2018-04-20 2:17 AM (#561956 - in reply to #561665)
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This thread will also be moved to the correct sub-forum after that Denis has straightened out all the question marks.

“The AstraDome speedometer and gauge cluster is different in details and even construction for 60-61-62. So, that's 3 different types (wrong)”
“There's also the difference (wrong) that my carpet was a loop curl carpet, made in 2 parts, front and back - while yours seems to be cut pile (wrong) (as it should be in a NY) (wrong) and made in one piece (wrong)”. By the way Dodges had cut pile.

Thereafter the thread will be cleaned up for irralevent posts and remarks.
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Posted 2018-04-20 10:22 AM (#561972 - in reply to #561942)
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Would you believe me if I said yes? I believe history has been made here-- the only time in 2400 years that the wisdom of Socrates has been invoked in a discussion (?) about carpeting
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Posted 2018-04-20 5:35 PM (#561993 - in reply to #561665)
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I'm confused, why you want to mix Astradome with carpet? You assured us they are ONLY 3 types I told you they are at least 4, maybe five.. So if I post the proof, you are going to remove my comments and start a new thread? Why bother then?

theses are your remarks in the post above making you look like an Expert, but not related to carpet that need to be removed. Here they are the re-post for your convenience, please start a new thread with them:



"Here you can see the gray cluster gauges, (@ 7.10) which you know didn't make it to the production series.
You can also see the ashtray with square formed lighter console, (@ 8.45) which you know didn't make it to the production series.

You may also note that the temperature lever (@ 0.34 in the video you uploaded) and the turn signal lever is ways longer (@ 0.39 in the video you uploaded) on these cars than on the production cars.

Yes Denis, those small details shows that this is a pre-production car.

The AstraDome speedometer and gauge cluster is different in details and even construction for 60-61-62 (60 being the best and least cost effective).

So, that's 3 different types, then there's the pre-production one, the 300 150 mph speedos and the certified types, but the 5 types of configuration I never heard of and would be very interested to see - do you have any Pictures or documentation? "

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Posted 2018-04-21 2:57 AM (#562003 - in reply to #561665)
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It would be nice to see some documents or pictures that shows the 5 different AstraDome configurations.

It would be nice if you explanined all the "wrong" with documents or pictures.

It would be nice if you informed us which type of carpet your car has and even why Dodge would have the expensive cut pile carpet.

Oh, it would be nice if you explained your point about the GOG.......

Here's your quote Denis, take it or loose your face

"Most importantly, if you don't know a fact for sure, just don't say anything. Even better, when someone shows proof against your statement, admit you were wrong."

"The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing," Socrates once said".

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Posted 2018-04-21 10:24 AM (#562022 - in reply to #561665)
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Bump - just to be found since moved to the correct sub-forum
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Posted 2018-12-30 9:42 PM (#576041 - in reply to #561665)
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hemidenis - 2018-12-29 9:43 PM

Carpets were not molded as many or better everybody in here believe, my car original carpet is proof of what i'm saying.



It is mentioned in the press kit and brochures and all my 60/61s I bought with original carpets had MOLDED ones.

My 60 Fury (still have the OE carpet) I bought in 1988 was an untouched original with receipts lying on the carpet from 1961 (still have them too). Nobody ever restored or replaced the carpet, I found bits an pieces under it they forgot at the factory.

My 61 Desoto had the broadcast sheet imbedded on the backside of the MOLDED carpet.

I have an absolutely untouched, unrestored (rough) 60 Adventurer in my garage that hasn't been driven since the 80s. It still has the OE carpet. It is molded.

I do not think your carpet is original (looks way too nice for that) but even if it is, you simply can't say these cars didn't have molded carpets because yours isn't.

So MAYBE not all 60/61s had molded carpets, but the majority had.



Sid, you have any pictures proof or anything to back up your comments? My car is an original 45.000 miles, I meet the original owner who was a Mopar Dealer back in the 50s-60s-70s-80s in Virginia, he told me most of I know of the car, i also have the original Title with the payments the guy did on the car. I have 2 broadcast sheet for my car one was on the rear seat and the other was glued to the "non original carpet"... I can show you both.

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Posted 2018-12-31 8:12 AM (#576051 - in reply to #561665)
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hemidenis - 2018-12-30 9:42 PM


Sid, you have any pictures proof or anything to back up your comments? My car is an original 45.000 miles, I meet the original owner who was a Mopar Dealer back in the 50s-60s-70s-80s in Virginia, he told me most of I know of the car, i also have the original Title with the payments the guy did on the car. I have 2 broadcast sheet for my car one was on the rear seat and the other was glued to the "non original carpet"... I can show you both.


Yes, I still have the OE carpet of my Fury, which I removed in 1989. It is in my attic, which is hard to reach, but the unrestored 60 Adventurer is in my garage. And why for heavens sake should I lie about that?
See, I'm not claiming your carpet is not OE, I'm just guessing. It is you who says because your carpet is sewn every carpet for every 60/61 Mopar was sewn, even though the literature and owners of these cars tell you this is not the case. Sorry, that is ridiculous.

I'm with these cars for over 30 years and even 30 years ago the usual used 60/61 carpet, 45 000 miles or not, did not look like your "OE" carpet.

In the 80s nobody restored these cars, I'm the 3rd owner of my 60. I know the previous owner who knew the original owner, who wrote down every spark plug he replaced. Nobody ever replaced the carpet and I found old invoices lying on the carpet from the early 60s. It was an untouched original time capsule.
And again, the broadcast sheet was imbededded on the underside of my 61 Desoto carpet.

This is how original carpets look after almost 60 years in these cars. This car has never been touched with original paint and dealer sticker and it still has the OE seat covers, the carpet is not sewn, it is molded, (there is a wrinkle but it is not sewn):

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hemidenis
Posted 2018-12-31 7:26 PM (#576072 - in reply to #561665)
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Sid,

That is the look of a 45.000 mile car carpet, you can not say "is in way too good condition for a car this old" because I still have to find an aftermarket carpet fitting this well. My carpet is NOT sewn, maybe the small rubber heel pad.

let me tell you what you have to do, which is what i did.

I took my "molded" carpet of my car (in your case the attic), and you right it was clearly molded, I could see the shape of the rear floor pans, and drive shaft tunnel, which it was faithful copy of a 1961 Chrysler New Yorker floor pan but in a carpet form. I hang it in my backyard and gentle power wash it with laundry detergent.

After 20 minutes I removed the Mopar "molded" product which was dirt, human skin and water, that "molded" the flexible fiber for over 50 years. And wallah! you have your grandmother long lost comfort that is so flexible that you can fold and make a pillow with it or roll it around you broken exhaust pipe. That is the way Jefferson Avenue molded my carpet, just rolling a flexible fiber over the floor pan...

I can tell you even more, I think that fiber probably came in rolls and it was cut on the car itself.

Wash yours and you are going to have a F surprise, and I will waiting an apology and a mention of my discovery every-time you say, "carpet was not molded like Hemidenis discovered in 2011"... ha!



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Posted 2019-01-01 8:58 AM (#576087 - in reply to #561665)
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Wash yours and you are going to have a F surprise, and I will waiting an apology and a mention of my discovery every-time you say, "carpet was not molded like Hemidenis discovered in 2011"... ha!



Wash what? Have you noticed that half of the molded carpet is gone? The one in my attic from my 60 Fury, I pulled 30 years, ago isn't better. It was falling apart and pieces were already mising. Heel pad worn thru, floor visible. This is how old OE carpets look like.
I don't think I will thank you and "apologize" after I washed whats left and have to scrape the remains from my backyard with a dustpan and brush.

I read your message a couple of times and it makes absolutely no sense to me. If it is not sewn, it is molded, like the sales brochures will tell you. Anyway, a happy new year to you

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Posted 2019-01-01 2:09 PM (#576100 - in reply to #561665)
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So again you don't have any proof than your memory and a fuzzy Kodachrome picture that could no use in a court of law. How do I know that is your picture? I can make much of it really, I have to take your word of it? So again, my carpet is not OEM or should be like yours?

On the other side I have a perfect original picture and a carpet in a car and you still don't believe it. Inspect the remains of your carpet and do your investigation. Foremost, do not believe Chrysler brochures, wizard already found out with his 60's Chrysler prototypes features.

Look at this brochure of a new Hemi engine, I dare your to find one "expert" that it will be willing to paint his engine like this, but it should be right ok? It is in a brochure! Happy New Year too!



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Posted 2019-01-01 2:47 PM (#576101 - in reply to #561665)
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So again you don't have any proof than your memory and a fuzzy Kodachrome picture that could no use in a court of law. How do I know that is your picture? I can make much of it really, I have to take your word of it?


Are you kidding? So you are claiming it is not my picture and I invented the story with the invoices on the carpet and the broadcast sheet? Why should I do that? I personally do not care if they came molded or sewn.

All I say is, that the sales brochures say the carpets are molded for 1960 (why should they invent that out of the blue?) and all the carpets I have ever seen in 60/61 unrestored cars in 30 years were molded. That makes me think these cars came with molded carpets.

Sounds like a logic conclusion, doesn't it?

You can claim and insist on (for what reason ever!) that these cars did not come from the factory with molded carpets until hell freezes over, but everyone knows this is not the case.
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Posted 2019-01-01 3:27 PM (#576105 - in reply to #561665)
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56D500boy - 2019-01-01 2:51 PM

You guys need to take this stupid "He said/He said" ph*shing contest offline. Neither one of you is going to win or concede defeat. It could be that you are both right. Undocumented running change sh*t happened.


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Can you actually read? I never claimed his carpet is not OE or that every 60/61 came from the factory with molded carpets.

Quote Denis: "Carpets were not molded as many or better everybody in here believe, my car original carpet is proof of what i'm saying".

Just Denis claims because his OE(?) carpet is not molded, every factory 60/61 carpet was not molded, which is obviously BS.

Below pictures from an unrestored 60 Adventurer with OE seat covers and original paint, not on the road since the 80s.
I put a little note on it since Denis implied the picture I posted before was not from my car and I stole it from somewhere....

No seams or stitches, one piece carpet, this settles this "argument" :


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Posted 2019-01-01 4:30 PM (#576112 - in reply to #561665)
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Dave, Exactly you can not believe everything you read from sales brochures, they are not accurate since the cars on the road were somewhat different is many aspects.
Many publications I found said that the 61 line of cars had a anchor points for the optional safety belts, well I could not find any on my 61. Even the NOS safety belts instructions refereed me to "don't worry just bolt this to your car if 61 and older"...

Ok Sid, let me do this different, I will let you find your answer by yourself.

-What is a molded carpet for you?

-Have you ever restored analyzed an OEM one? or you just look at it from outside and said "wow look at this molded carpet!"



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Posted 2019-01-01 5:03 PM (#576115 - in reply to #561665)
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hemidenis - 2019-01-01 4:30 PM

Ok Sid, let me do this different, I will let you find your answer by yourself.

-What is a molded carpet for you?

-Have you ever restored analyzed an OEM one? or you just look at it from outside and said "wow look at this molded carpet!"



"Analyzed"? If it is one piece with no seams and stitches, it is molded. Or do you believe every carpet was installed at the factory by someone with a heat gun? And even that procedure I would call molding.
A flat one-piece carpet that automatically adjusts its shape to a floor pan and a big transmission hump, like on 60/61 Mopars, has yet to be invented. And the procedure of placing this "yet to be invented carpet" over the transmission hump where it miraculously snuggles to the floor pan could be called molding too

What would you call a one-piece carpet that has no seams and stiches and is shaped to fit a floor pan?

Please Denis, post pictures of your carpets heel pad and transmission hump.

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Posted 2019-01-01 6:24 PM (#576116 - in reply to #561665)
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Ok I see it now, you have a HUGE problem to understanding the meaning of molded. Seems like you haven't read any of my post for over 7 years.

Let me tell you the definition of the word molded:

"Molded: form (an object with a particular shape) out of easily manipulated material."

Could not be clear enough right?, but for you a car cover is molded then?
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Posted 2019-01-01 7:53 PM (#576119 - in reply to #561665)
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Denis and Sid: Moulded carpet means just that: The carpet is moulded into the shape of the floor pan using a two part mould, i.e. a female lower piece that mimics the floor pan and a male upper piece that is used to press the heated carpet into the lower mould. There are no hair dryers or heat guns involved. I suggest that you review this short video made by an aftermarket moulded carpet manufacturer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvGRsM5Z2P8&feature=youtu.be

Made that will stop the bickering.

But I doubt it.

If not you should start your own bickering about carpet thread and leave this one alone.

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Posted 2019-01-02 7:57 AM (#576136 - in reply to #561665)
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56D500boy - 2019-01-01 7:53 PM

Denis and Sid: Moulded carpet means just that: The carpet is moulded into the shape of the floor pan using a two part mould, i.e. a female lower piece that mimics the floor pan and a male upper piece that is used to press the heated carpet into the lower mould. There are no hair dryers or heat guns involved. I suggest that you review this short video made by an aftermarket moulded carpet manufacturer:


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Why do you always address your messages to me? I know how molded carpets are produced and I never claimed hair dryers are involved. And I also never claimed because my car is like that, every car is. Got it know?
Denis obviously does not know the meaning of the word "molded". It seems to be a language problem.

Meanwhile I checked the sales brochure and it does not mention molded carpets, only molded "matting". So I was wrong and the possibility exists that molded carpets have been used before the 1960 model year, as mikes2nd said.

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Posted 2019-01-02 8:03 AM (#576137 - in reply to #561665)
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hemidenis - 2019-01-01 6:24 PM

Ok I see it now, you have a HUGE problem to understanding the meaning of molded. Seems like you haven't read any of my post for over 7 years.

Let me tell you the definition of the word molded:

"Molded: form (an object with a particular shape) out of easily manipulated material."

Could not be clear enough right?, but for you a car cover is molded then?


You mean if the molded object isn't out of "easily manipulated material" it isn't molded?

Again, your message makes no sense whatsover. So you finally admit your carpet was molded and not sewn? Also, you did not answer my question.

How do YOU call a one piece carpet without seams that has been shaped to fit a floor pan of a particular car?

Also, again, please post some pictures of your carpets heel pad and transmission hump. Thanks.

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Posted 2019-01-02 4:09 PM (#576152 - in reply to #561665)
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Sigh . . . .

Listen, I have a great deal of respect for both Dennis and Sid - both of them have provided me with useful information, and even parts in one case.

But this carpet argument is absurd and frankly tedious for everyone else on this board.......
....But for OUR benefit, please please please please please can we stop the senseless murder of young, innocent, doe-eyed threads . . . .



Well, it is called DISCUSSION board and as long as it is a discussion without insults, this is what a discussion board was made for and the most tedious and anoying thing is
the people who stick their nose in it with the "teacher attitude", that want to show everyone how smart and reasonable they are.
They act annoyed and try to shut the discussion down even though no one forces them to read it.
Just don't read the messages or stop whining, otherwise I call you a hypocrite. It is as simple as that.
And I wonder why you are talking majestic plural, or are you talking on behalf of all the members, really?

I keep answering because I just want to learn. Denis claims his carpet is not sewn and not molded.
I just want to know whats behind that and I'm curiuos what it looks like.
What is "absurd" about that? If you want to discuss the reason behind live on earth or quantum physics, this is the wrong board.

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Posted 2019-01-02 4:35 PM (#576153 - in reply to #561665)
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I don't know what else to said Sid, you are hardheaded as the granite stones in Khufu's pyramid.

I don't understand why is so hard to believe what I'm saying, I saw it and the proof is the mint original carpet above. I have plenty of pictures but I'm going to hold to them and let you sink more in your misrepresentation of a fact that is literally in your face. Just please stop misleading other members in here of stuff you are not absolutely sure of, just said "I think is this way".

Look at my carpet picture, that is your proof. I know what molded mean, you seems like are confusing the terms molded with Pre-molded like the modern car carpets are pre-molded. The hump is there and heel pad too just look above.

If I knew my finding will be so hard to introduce as a general forum knowledge, I will have made a documentary or better just keep it to myself.

Unfortunately, anything that an "established expert" never saw or never heard about it, MUST BE WRONG, a sad fact that drove several members away from here. They are also the "experts" who know about something been discussed and just go for don't say a thing.

For the other members that they are annoying of this discussions, the only thing you got to do is block the member (very easy I done it before), or just skip the thread.

I'm just defending my findings and trying to pass the knowledge to the person who is interested in learn it and i will do it every time that I hear the word "original molded carpet".

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Posted 2019-01-02 5:05 PM (#576155 - in reply to #561665)
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I wish I had your back carpet Sid and I will do a documentary, just to listen to the "experts" silence...

I'm waiting to get an original carpet from a friend, unfortunately he "forgot" to bring it to 2018 Carlisle. it maybe moths until I can get my hands on one, and taking all my Chrysler interior apart again is out of the question.

A friend asked me for details of my carpet, I'm going to take pictures with my digital microscope.











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Posted 2019-01-02 5:15 PM (#576156 - in reply to #561665)
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hemidenis - 2019-01-02 4:35 PM

I don't know what else to said Sid, you are hardheaded as the granite stones in Khufu's pyramid.

I don't understand why is so hard to believe what I'm saying, I saw it and the proof is the mint original carpet above. I have plenty of pictures but I'm going to hold to them and let you sink more in your misrepresentation of a fact that is literally in your face. Just please stop misleading other members in here of stuff you are not absolutely sure of, just said "I think is this way".

Look at my carpet picture, that is your proof.



Proof? I'd prefer a picture not taken by google earth. I posted pictures of my molded OE carpet, now post yours. You mean my pictures are misrepresented? Please elaborate on that.
Clear here for everyone to read it is that only you claim your experience is valid for everyone. I just said they used molded carpets in 60, I never said yours, or every carpet is. Got it now? I posted close up pictures of mine. You didn't.

And again, sorry, your molded/pre-molded statement makes no sense whatsoever.

hemidenis - 2019-01-02 4:35 PM
I know what molded mean, you seems like are confusing the terms molded with Pre-molded like the modern car carpets are pre-molded. The hump is there and heel pad too just look above.


Huh?

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Posted 2019-01-02 5:54 PM (#576158 - in reply to #561665)
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Sid, if I have a video of Chrysler putting the carpets on the cars from a huge roll, you are not going to believe it. It is basically nothing I can do for you anymore since you already said that mine is different than yours and anything that I can proof beyond a reasonable doubt will, for some reason, not be valid for DeSotos even that Desotos came from the same plant as my Chrysler.

Maybe If I can find a video of Lynn Townsend itself, stooping the production and reading your VIN and personally installing your carpet and showing you how they did it at the factory you maybe, just maybe are going to believe me. Unfortunately I don't have that footage.

I had a footage of the 1960 Chrysler showing the carpet all wrinkled just like mine but wizard said "that is a prototype and not to be considered" ha!






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Posted 2019-01-02 6:45 PM (#576160 - in reply to #561665)
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hemidenis - 2019-01-02 5:54 PM

Sid, if I have a video of Chrysler putting the carpets on the cars from a huge roll, you are not going to believe it. It is basically nothing I can do for you anymore since you already said that mine is different than yours and anything that I can proof beyond a reasonable doubt will, for some reason, not be valid for DeSotos even that Desotos came from the same plant as my Chrysler.

Maybe If I can find a video of Lynn Townsend itself, stooping the production and reading your VIN and personally installing your carpet and showing you how they did it at the factory you maybe, just maybe are going to believe me. Unfortunately I don't have that footage.

I had a footage of the 1960 Chrysler showing the carpet all wrinkled just like mine but wizard said "that is a prototype and not to be considered" ha!




No, then I would believe that at least some didn't came with molded carpets as I never said the contrary and this is not a picture taken by google earth that you call "proof".
But just believing these were cut each time into shape, from a roll, at the assembly line is absurd.

See, I have the untouched car in my garage and the OE carpet pulled in 89, no way these were put from a roll directly into the car.
Do you see any large wrinkles in the 60 Desoto carpet? And you expect me to believe that you have proof that my carpet is not molded, even though you are not willing to provide it?

And because I do not believe your invisible "proof" and I prefer believing my own eyes instead, you call me "hardheaded"?

So you are not going to post pictures of your carpet?

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Posted 2019-01-02 9:22 PM (#576166 - in reply to #561665)
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how do you think these carpets were pre-molded and dropped in the floor for a perfect fit? Plastic, Magic, Aladdin or Hernando de Soto itself made these?

I think my carpet picture itself is 100 times better that the remains of yours. Besides, I had to make smaller or will not fit in the 260 maximum.

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Posted 2019-01-02 9:30 PM (#576167 - in reply to #561665)
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Look at here, you can see the carpet in different shots, it is close up with the MP3 player. Let see if this satisfy you needs or hear what this is not valid.






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Posted 2019-01-03 2:10 AM (#576176 - in reply to #561665)
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Posted 2019-01-03 9:11 AM (#576185 - in reply to #561665)
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hemidenis - 2019-01-02 9:22 PM

how do you think these carpets were pre-molded and dropped in the floor for a perfect fit? Plastic, Magic, Aladdin or Hernando de Soto itself made these?

I think my carpet picture itself is 100 times better that the remains of yours. Besides, I had to make smaller or will not fit in the 260 maximum.




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Look at here, you can see the carpet in different shots, it is close up with the MP3 player. Let see if this satisfy you needs or hear what this is not valid.




So you are denying the fact that carpets can be molded for a perfect fit? Are you serious? Only Aladin and Hernando Desoto can do it? The carpet in my car is not there? It is illusion?

Again, your post makes no sense whatsoever. How do I think these carpets were molded? I don't care how they did it, fact is the oe carpets were molded.

How do you think these molded carpets were molded without molding them?

Your google earth picture and the video show and proof nothing, as expected. Oh, and I see these came from the factory with digital radios too, as your video "proofs".


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Thanks Wizard. Factory documentation ("formed carpeting") and your perfect picture (this is how 50+ year old carpets look like) now clarified this once and for all..... Well not for all, all but one

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