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hemidenis
Posted 2018-04-15 10:39 AM (#561665)
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What can I said..."Experts" didn't believe me, maybe the video will convince them...

Hint?..."experts" please look at the center hump...



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Posted 2018-04-15 11:01 AM (#561667 - in reply to #561665)
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to what actually you are reffering denis? just curious
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Posted 2018-04-15 11:56 AM (#561668 - in reply to #561665)
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Denis, this is a pre-production car - look on the AstraDome cluster gauges and you'll see that they are grey instead of silver.

This car have a carpet that are cut over the hump, as we well can see.

That said, my original carpet was pressed/molded without this seem, but when I replaced the carpet with a flat one I had to make this cut and also to Cold form the carpet with wet sea-sand bags.
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hemidenis
Posted 2018-04-15 5:36 PM (#561688 - in reply to #561665)
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Dear Seven "expert", first of all they are not seems, second it is not a cut, and this is not a pre-production car, that is just your third assumption. Please do not put this can in a special category either, you have no proof of that. Things change during the production run and I can give you several examples.

Sadly, you ideas in this forums are only law for delete/move/freeze threads, but regarding to original Chrysler manufacture proceedings we need proof, in the form of pictures or videos.

Those carpet wrinkles looks exactly the same as mines, and my car is not a pre-production, just admit it, the carpets were not molded as you told us 100 times, you just didn't know, before I pulled another proof to make you look like a real fool.

Nobody know everything about theses cars, but carpet is one I'm absolute sure of it, and I only know because I have one in my car. You are just spreading fake information, of something that you don't know.

Show me proof of what are you talking about, you have pictures of your original carpet? or we have to take you word for it? I just showed you a Chrysler video.











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Posted 2018-04-15 9:18 PM (#561694 - in reply to #561688)
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hemidenis - 2018-04-15 5:36 PM
Those carpet wrinkles looks exactly the same as mines, and my car is not a pre-production, just admit it, the carpets were not molded as you told us 100 times, before I pulled another proof to make you look like a real fool.


That is interesting. I'm not taking sides, but I see that Auto Custom Carpets offers molded carpets for the 1959 and 1960 Chryslers. They might have got the idea from the factory (or not)??

https://www.accmats.com/commerce/1960/Chrysler/Windsor/Flooring/1623...



In contrast, they only offer cut and sewn for the 1957-58 Chryslers

https://www.accmats.com/commerce/1958/Chrysler/New%20Yorker/Flooring...



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hemidenis
Posted 2018-04-15 9:28 PM (#561695 - in reply to #561665)
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they are also offering a dashboard pad which is not even close to the original, same a "just dashes". those carpet pictures are not even close to the original.
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Posted 2018-04-16 12:26 AM (#561698 - in reply to #561665)
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Denis, the car you show is a pre-production one. You can see the same car (or another pre-production car) in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTVlXXxva24.

Here you can see the gray cluster gauges, (@ 7.10) which you know didn't make it to the production series.
You can also see the ashtray with square formed lighter console, (@ 8.45) which you know didn't make it to the production series.
You can see the sloppy carpet in this video too - there's a fold over the hump.

You may also note that the temperature lever (@ 0.34 in the video you uploaded) and the turn signal lever is ways longer (@ 0.39 in the video you uploaded) on these cars than on the production cars.

Unfortunately I have only bad photos on my old carpet, but I'll upload them anyway.




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Posted 2018-04-16 7:27 AM (#561709 - in reply to #561665)
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Posted 2018-04-16 8:07 AM (#561710 - in reply to #561665)
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hemidenis
Posted 2018-04-16 4:06 PM (#561740 - in reply to #561665)
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So you judge a car as a "pre-production" just for gauge colors and small details?, seems like you like to come to huge conclusions very easy. Nobody know much about theses cars, only the VIN can tell you some of the story (ask Doc for his Desoto). They should be only 3 types of Astradomes gauges (60-61-62) but they are at least 5 types of configurations that nobody know where they came.

So according to you this "pre-production" car, made for shows, tv ads and public displays to attract customers will be put it together by a 5 years old Michigan kindergarten?

Did you ever inspected your "original carpet", did you wash it? No? where is that carpet now?

Well this is a "good" picture of mine, same color and everything but it is in a slightly better condition than yours.. An I can tell you it was not molded as you claim.



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Posted 2018-04-16 6:54 PM (#561746 - in reply to #561740)
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hemidenis - 2018-04-16 5:06 PM So you judge a car as a "pre-production" just for gauge colors and small details?, seems like you like to come to huge conclusions very easy. Nobody know much about theses cars, only the VIN can tell you some of the story (ask Doc for his Desoto). They should be only 3 types of Astradomes gauges (60-61-62) but they are at least 5 types of configurations that nobody know where they came. So according to you this "pre-production" car, made for shows, tv ads and public displays to attract customers will be put it together by a 5 years old Michigan kindergarten? Did you ever inspected your "original carpet", did you wash it? No? where is that carpet now? Well this is a "good" picture of mine, same color and everything but it is in a slightly better condition than yours.. An I can tell you it was not molded as you claim.

 

Denis......why so angry?

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Posted 2018-04-16 9:38 PM (#561753 - in reply to #561665)
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Posted 2018-04-17 12:59 AM (#561765 - in reply to #561740)
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hemidenis - 2018-04-16 10:06 PM

So you judge a car as a "pre-production" just for gauge colors and small details?, seems like you like to come to huge conclusions very easy. Nobody know much about theses cars, only the VIN can tell you some of the story (ask Doc for his Desoto). They should be only 3 types of Astradomes gauges (60-61-62) but they are at least 5 types of configurations that nobody know where they came.


Yes Denis, those small details shows that this is a pre-production car.

The AstraDome speedometer and gauge cluster is different in details and even construction for 60-61-62 (60 being the best and least cost effective).

So, that's 3 different types, then there's the pre-production one, the 300 150 mph speedos and the certified types, but the 5 types of configuration I never heard of and would be very interested to see - do you have any Pictures or documentation?

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Did you ever inspected your "original carpet", did you wash it? No? where is that carpet now?
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As you can see on my pictures, there was no reason to wash that carpet, the remains is packed down in my attic.

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Well this is a "good" picture of mine, same color and everything but it is in a slightly better condition than yours.. An I can tell you it was not molded as you claim.
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I never claimed that your carpet was molded Denis - I claimed that my oem carpet was molded.

There's also the difference that my carpet was a loop curl carpet, made in 2 parts, front and back - while yours seems to be cut pile (as it should be in a NY) and made in one piece.
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Posted 2018-04-17 9:45 PM (#561809 - in reply to #561665)
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First of all, I'm not angry, not even close. I’m actually very happy to finally see a Chrysler video as proof of how the carpets were made, and these cars in general.

I’m just perplex by someone like Seven who is attempting to make money of his knowledge in selling services, he came out and openly denied a fact that he doesn’t know about. Even worst, he kept doing this over and over again.

Seven, just the fact that Dave gave you power to delete/freeze/remove thread that you don't like in this dying forums, does not make your word law. Remember the incident of the car "center of gravity”? Well you are doing exactly the same thing….

These cars are a completely mystery, with a few known facts of how they were made, The late Neil “d500neil” could tell you about differences between Dodge production lines of what it made in different places, of a car that should be virtually the same everywhere.

Most importantly, if you don't know a fact for sure, just don't say anything. Even better, when someone shows proof against your statement, admit you were wrong.

"The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing," Socrates once said.

Carpet is a subject where your “experts” comments are misleading members, making them spent thousands of dollars in molded reproduction junk, trying to achieve something that can NOT BE DONE with modern materials. Your “expertise” in the subject is based on your false assumptions, using your petrified carpet as a guide, that you didn’t even care to study, and instead you just tossed it away.

Let me answer your post wizard:

“The AstraDome speedometer and gauge cluster is different in details and even construction for 60-61-62. So, that's 3 different types (wrong)”

“There's also the difference (wrong) that my carpet was a loop curl carpet, made in 2 parts, front and back - while yours seems to be cut pile (wrong) (as it should be in a NY(wrong)  and made in one piece (wrong)”. By the way Dodges had cut pile.

That is a new record of four “wrong” assumptions in a sentence!

I have to finish my taxes and paid Uncle Sam missiles, so I will continue tomorrow…



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Posted 2018-04-18 1:02 AM (#561815 - in reply to #561665)
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Instead of pointing out the errors you think I made, why don't you inform about the correct statements instead and show some documents Denis?

Here's a couple of my sources;

The pre-production dashboard, with the gray gauge cluster faces, the square shaped cig-lighter console and the glovebox cup holder function can also be seen in the 1960 Ross Roy, page A-6 (uploaded here below)

The carpet is first described in a very rare book, Styling and Engineering Features 1960 Chrysler see below.

Now that I showed some sources, which I presume could be thrustworthy, could we please see some of your sources Denis?

I'm sure that the members will appreciate your contribution.



I remember the COG very well, I showed a document that members didn't think existed. Heres the thread for your information Denis.
http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=54212&...

Since you start to derail your own thread, I'll let these last posts remain here for a couple of days - then they will be removed.
The last posts doesn't add to the value of the thread.

Try to post valid information instead of just ranting.




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hemidenis
Posted 2018-04-18 10:56 PM (#561868 - in reply to #561665)
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Good point Ian, early production cars had features changed during the production run, but for the "expert" you may have a rare pre-production car, a statement that will cover any bad assessment.

Obviously when the boat is sinking is threatening with deleting this post, which is something I will be pointing on him as a moderator for a quite long time.

Dear "expert" don't believe all you read!! you don't need this rare books, just look at the part numbers book with several parts numbers for the same exact thing.

I will post some point Friday when I can get early from work. Stay tune.
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Posted 2018-04-19 1:23 AM (#561874 - in reply to #561665)
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The glove box informations has been moved to a new separate thread for to be able to find it easier in the future.

The thread will not be deleted Denis, just some irrelevant posts that doesn't really belong here.

Did you did see the link to the COG? I hope you enjoyed reading it and perhaps even downloaded the information?

As I have informed you many times Denis, if you have any complaints on me as moderator, please take that up directly with Dave - he's the one that will "fire" me as a moderator if you can give him proper reasons.
When you convey your complaints, please do remember that the rules that we moderators police is actually set by the administrator and forum owner.
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hemidenis
Posted 2018-04-19 7:07 PM (#561928 - in reply to #561665)
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I spoke to Dave in person at Carlisle and he is too busy to deal with this BS. He promised he will be more involved in the forums, when his working schedule get slower..

Also please erase your comments about the BS of the pre-production glove box, because according to you got nothing to do with carpets, right? Someone proved you that you are WRONG and you erase it. Limit your comments to the carpet please.

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Posted 2018-04-19 9:49 PM (#561940 - in reply to #561665)
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It's gonna be hard for me to get angry over carpet. That said, I am concerned that when me and my girlfriend are, uh, sleeping in the back seat, she might look down at the carpet: "WHAT THE HECK IS WRONG WITH YOU?! YOU'VE GOT NON OEM MOLDED CARPET?!!!" And storm out of the car.
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Posted 2018-04-19 10:28 PM (#561942 - in reply to #561940)
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Well said ...very good ! (would her name be Stormy Daniels?)
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Posted 2018-04-20 12:41 AM (#561952 - in reply to #561928)
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hemidenis - 2018-04-20 1:07 AM

Also please erase your comments about the BS of the pre-production glove box, because according to you got nothing to do with carpets, right? Someone proved you that you are WRONG and you erase it. Limit your comments to the carpet please.


That post have been edited Denis. The glove box posts have been moved to a new thread since it's too inportant to get lost.

Here is a link for your convenience http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=68446
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Posted 2018-04-20 2:17 AM (#561956 - in reply to #561665)
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This thread will also be moved to the correct sub-forum after that Denis has straightened out all the question marks.

“The AstraDome speedometer and gauge cluster is different in details and even construction for 60-61-62. So, that's 3 different types (wrong)”
“There's also the difference (wrong) that my carpet was a loop curl carpet, made in 2 parts, front and back - while yours seems to be cut pile (wrong) (as it should be in a NY) (wrong) and made in one piece (wrong)”. By the way Dodges had cut pile.

Thereafter the thread will be cleaned up for irralevent posts and remarks.
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Posted 2018-04-20 10:22 AM (#561972 - in reply to #561942)
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Would you believe me if I said yes? I believe history has been made here-- the only time in 2400 years that the wisdom of Socrates has been invoked in a discussion (?) about carpeting
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Posted 2018-04-20 5:35 PM (#561993 - in reply to #561665)
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I'm confused, why you want to mix Astradome with carpet? You assured us they are ONLY 3 types I told you they are at least 4, maybe five.. So if I post the proof, you are going to remove my comments and start a new thread? Why bother then?

theses are your remarks in the post above making you look like an Expert, but not related to carpet that need to be removed. Here they are the re-post for your convenience, please start a new thread with them:



"Here you can see the gray cluster gauges, (@ 7.10) which you know didn't make it to the production series.
You can also see the ashtray with square formed lighter console, (@ 8.45) which you know didn't make it to the production series.

You may also note that the temperature lever (@ 0.34 in the video you uploaded) and the turn signal lever is ways longer (@ 0.39 in the video you uploaded) on these cars than on the production cars.

Yes Denis, those small details shows that this is a pre-production car.

The AstraDome speedometer and gauge cluster is different in details and even construction for 60-61-62 (60 being the best and least cost effective).

So, that's 3 different types, then there's the pre-production one, the 300 150 mph speedos and the certified types, but the 5 types of configuration I never heard of and would be very interested to see - do you have any Pictures or documentation? "

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Posted 2018-04-21 2:57 AM (#562003 - in reply to #561665)
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It would be nice to see some documents or pictures that shows the 5 different AstraDome configurations.

It would be nice if you explanined all the "wrong" with documents or pictures.

It would be nice if you informed us which type of carpet your car has and even why Dodge would have the expensive cut pile carpet.

Oh, it would be nice if you explained your point about the GOG.......

Here's your quote Denis, take it or loose your face

"Most importantly, if you don't know a fact for sure, just don't say anything. Even better, when someone shows proof against your statement, admit you were wrong."

"The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing," Socrates once said".

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Posted 2018-04-21 10:24 AM (#562022 - in reply to #561665)
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Bump - just to be found since moved to the correct sub-forum
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