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fivespeedv8
Posted 2018-06-11 9:39 PM (#565051)
Subject: Is there yet a definitive guide to decoding? Or do we still rely on good samaritans ?


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1959 Dodge

I've got my build card from Chrysler historical, and finally cleaned up the trim plate so I could read it (it had 2 layers of paint), and I'd like to figure out if they "match."

The late great Neil Vedder helped me decode the punched card several years ago, but back then he did not (yet?) have substantial info on '59 LA cars. 

Wondering if there is a source for do-it-yourself decoding, or if someone here has the know how?

 

 

 





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56D500boy
Posted 2018-06-11 10:59 PM (#565058 - in reply to #565051)
Subject: RE: Is there yet a definitive guide to decoding? Or do we still rely on good samaritans ?



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I think it's more relying on the magicians who conjure up the decoding results out of thin air.

Or so it seems to me.



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LD3 Greg
Posted 2018-06-12 12:02 AM (#565064 - in reply to #565051)
Subject: RE: Is there yet a definitive guide to decoding? Or do we still rely on good samaritans ?


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fivespeedv8 - 2018-06-11 9:39 PM

1959 Dodge

I've got my build card from Chrysler historical, and finally cleaned up the trim plate so I could read it (it had 2 layers of paint), and I'd like to figure out if they "match."

The late great Neil Vedder helped me decode the punched card several years ago, but back then he did not (yet?) have substantial info on '59 LA cars. 

Wondering if there is a source for do-it-yourself decoding, or if someone here has the know how?

 

 

 



I can't help with any LA built cars. Neil didn't share any of that info with me.

Greg
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fivespeedv8
Posted 2018-06-12 8:51 AM (#565076 - in reply to #565051)
Subject: Re: Is there yet a definitive guide to decoding? Or do we still rely on good samaritans ?


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Hmmm... And when you pass on, will you also chose to take your all knowledge with you? I wish I knew something of value that I could leave behind for posterity.
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LD3 Greg
Posted 2018-06-13 11:35 PM (#565127 - in reply to #565076)
Subject: Re: Is there yet a definitive guide to decoding? Or do we still rely on good samaritans ?


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fivespeedv8 - 2018-06-12 8:51 AM

Hmmm... And when you pass on, will you also chose to take your all knowledge with you? I wish I knew something of value that I could leave behind for posterity.


Hmmm---- No worry. You'll find out!!

Greg
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LD3 Greg
Posted 2018-06-16 12:20 AM (#565193 - in reply to #565058)
Subject: RE: Is there yet a definitive guide to decoding? Or do we still rely on good samaritans ?


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If it came out of thin air, someone as simple as you could have figured it out!!

Or so it seems to me.

Greg
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RDP
Posted 2018-06-17 4:42 PM (#565261 - in reply to #565051)
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Ok, I'm not a specialist, but it seems easy.

SO 0226 - schedule order date february 26 1959
NO 5139 - schedule number
MODEL MD2L - Coronet series
BT 312 - body type 2dr HT
PT PN4 - paint Coral / Rose Qartz
TR 949 - trim
SP 043 - special order?

EW4 - electric window (power window 304 in the build card)
M2 3 - ?
M5 1 - ? no idea, but many LA build cars have this number

now build card
transmission 293 - torqueflite
power seat 303
power window 304
its highly optioned Coronet - accessory group 2,4,5,7. easy to check
swivel seat, dimmer switch, hood ornament... et cetera


anyone knows what it condition code? and the last digit in this line T 7?

Lou, what is your dealer's name?



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Chrycoman
Posted 2018-06-17 11:35 PM (#565272 - in reply to #565261)
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Attached is the IBM card sorted out - almost.

Cannot make out what 466 is on the IBM card. Do not have a 466 listed on my 1959 sales codes.

Also not sure what "Condition" is.

The "7" in the top right corner with the "T" below is for "Tracer". And I show #7 as "Car OK'd".

Also not sure of 658 - Distributor.

For your data plate -

EW4 - 4 :
Only have 304 - Power Windows

M2 - 3 :
293 - Torqueflite
303 - Power Steering
373 - Power Package (4-bbl carb and dual exhaust for 326-cid V8 engine)

M5 - 1 :
361 - Swivel Seat
391 - Auto Headlamp Dimmer
501 - Undercoating







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Chrycoman
Posted 2018-06-18 2:41 AM (#565277 - in reply to #565051)
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466 - Solex Glass with shaded windshield

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RDP
Posted 2018-06-18 8:27 AM (#565282 - in reply to #565051)
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Bill, thanks for explaining the "tracer" point.
Probably "condition 7" is related to "tracer 7". My card also has two "7".
Very interesting, the SG area on the body plate is empty, but on the build card is selected. In my car is the same.
M5 1 - maybe swivel seat or undercoating, my car has no dimmer.

which means a single "3" behind the car serial number?

I can not read: foam ??? / padded sun visor.
Do you know what is written there?



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hondaman1974
Posted 2018-06-18 1:22 PM (#565291 - in reply to #565051)
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hi, sorry to jump in on this thread, just have a quick question. when you sent your info to Chrysler historical did you pay the 55 dollar fee? I had read an earlier thread and stated if you send money they return it. I have a 55 custom royal im getting ready to send for ibm card. thanks in advance!!!
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RDP
Posted 2018-06-18 2:14 PM (#565292 - in reply to #565291)
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hondaman1974 - 2018-06-18 7:22 PM

when you sent your info to Chrysler historical did you pay the 55 dollar fee?


They sent absolutely free
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hondaman1974
Posted 2018-06-18 3:09 PM (#565294 - in reply to #565051)
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thanks rdp!!!!!
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fivespeedv8
Posted 2018-06-26 3:40 PM (#565659 - in reply to #565051)
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Thanks for the replies - I think this will be helpful for future people who search the site As for the fee - I paid for mine about 10 years ago. They sent me the wrong card (they transposed soem number in the VIN) but corrected it later.

GREG: Sorry if I offended you - my statement was to be interpreted as tongue in cheek. I think you and others have the knowledge that plenty of us would PAY FOR if you had time to record it! That's extra value over and above the actual effort you put forth working on actual cars. I merely find that, on top of the grief of losing people we know, its extra saddening that we lose valuable information with their passing, whther it be expertise in a knowledge area, or family history, etc...  Its sortof like losing the library at Alexandria.



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fivespeedv8
Posted 2018-06-26 4:45 PM (#565668 - in reply to #565051)
Subject: Re: Is there yet a definitive guide to decoding? Or do we still rely on good samaritans ?


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Bill and Robert - In case you are updating any "database" of code information (like dealer codes), here is what I know about my my 1959 Dodge which you decoded above that verifies most of the info you posted (also adding some info in case it helps)

1) The dealer was Bill Breck Dodge, in Tucson, AZ (new dealership as of 1959 model year). This car was supposedly ordered as one of the demonstrators, so I wonder if any of those oddball codes indicate that.

2) The upholstery and door panels are black and red, in what I beleive is called the Custom Coronet pattern (black snowflake cloth with red and black vinyl.

3) It is indeed rose quartz and coral in the specified arrangement

4) It does have torqueflite

5) It does have power seat, power windows, radio/heater. Not sure what is covered under convenience/appearance/safety. It has a two-tone red/black steering wheel with the padded insert. I think it originally had a pafdded dash. It has a map light over the radio.

6) It has the swivel seat, "power package" (In fact, it is a 383 D500 car, which Neil confirmed a few years ago is accurate, even though the Chrysler Historical Society interpreted the engine code 3 as a 361), auto headlight dimmer, outside right mirror and hood ornament.

7) it has undercoating and I thnk the 3.30:1 axle ratio is correct as well.

The previous owner also said it had (oddly) dog dish hubcaps instead of full wheel covers. He bought it around 1968 when the original owner brought it back to the dealer to trade in.

From: Eastern Sierra Adjustment Svc Neil

Subject: Re: Neil, help with build sheet decoding?

Date: February 22, 2013 at 2:45:59 AM EST

To: Lou

Thanks for the PM, Lou! Actually....the D500 option IS code "3", for the single 4-bbl engine. A "4" would confirm the Super D500 option. If the CHS said that the "3" was for the 361 engine, they're wrong about that! The "Power Package" is the 4-bbl carb and dual exhausts on the 361 and on the 326 V/8 engines.



Edited by fivespeedv8 2018-06-26 4:52 PM
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