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Powerflite
Posted 2020-04-24 9:28 PM (#597310 - in reply to #572778)
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Apparently, the label on my new cam is false. The valve lift on it measures out as a stock New Yorker cam, not a 300D. Here are the numbers for comparison in the table below. I think the cam that I pulled out of the motor shows .01" smaller lift just because it is a little worn. I didn't really want to have to purchase a new cam for this motor, but I didn't want to run a stock New Yorker cam either. So I'll probably purchase the 270 cam from Hot Heads, the same specs as what I put into the 331 in my Savoy. I'm thinking that the stock converter should be OK with it since this motor will have 10:1 compression. The other option is to install a roller cam, but I don't feel very rich right now.



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Powerflite
Posted 2020-04-26 3:49 AM (#597342 - in reply to #572778)
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I cleaned up the block ready for new paint and ran a fine grit ball flex hone through the bores just enough to fully scuff the shine to allow the new rings to seat. Swapped the '58 pistons onto the rods with new rings after replacing the piston pins. The old ones looked marginal. I also measured the difference in deck height between the two pistons. I am hoping to get the crank back into it soon, but I'll have to wait for parts to arrive before I can get very far.



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Powerflite
Posted 2020-05-13 1:40 AM (#598171 - in reply to #572778)
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A correction to the picture above: After measuring more carefully, the difference is closer to .070" in height. I expected the cam bearings to be in good shape so I wasn't planning to replace them. But I found that the last 2 toward the rear were in unacceptable condition to just reuse. I decided to replace the bearings myself for the first time, so I ordered them from Hot Heads and an installation tool from the Car Shop. The tool comes with an extra die which is needed to work with big block Mopar cam bearings. I received the parts today so I can get moving on the rebuild again. Hopefully I don't screw it up. But I find I prefer to do things myself than to rely on some minimum wage guy in a shop; and the money I save the first time usually pays for the tool.



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samstrader
Posted 2020-05-13 5:08 AM (#598179 - in reply to #572778)
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I think you are smart to do the job yourself. You will make sure things are right. Just make sure to line the holes up right when you install the cam bearings; don't do it like my mechanic did.

I wish my block would have looked as good as yours after my mechanic cleaned it. Yours Looks great.

I'm sure you will get the cam bearings installed perfectly. And then you won't have to worry about it. I watched YouTube videos and you have a much higher end tool than they were using.
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Powerflite
Posted 2020-05-17 12:00 PM (#598393 - in reply to #572778)
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Thanks Sam. I love using good quality tools. This thing worked really well for the 4 front bearings that it fit. I'll have to machine up a die for the rear bearing if I get tired of carrying my junk camshaft around. With the motor upside down, I stuck a long skinny screw driver up the water ports and knocked out as much rust as I could. Then blew it out of there. Got quite a bit of it out, so that makes me feel better. I replaced all the cam bearings and installed the new Isky cam, and it went in perfectly. I went to put in the crank, but realized that all the rear seals I have are for the 354 or 331. Too small for the 392. So I ordered a couple of them and have to wait for them to arrive now. I really need to do a better assesment of what I have so I dont have to wait around so much for more parts. Oh well, in the meantime, I can work on making a baffle for the oil pan.
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Posted 2020-05-18 12:20 PM (#598433 - in reply to #572778)
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Your engine being so clean will really make a difference on how well it runs and cools. It's going to be great.

I know what you mean about the seals. They say "plan the work and work the plan" but for me, a good project is when I only have to go to Home Depot 8 times or less. Sometimes the pause it takes to get another part gives you time to think things out better and helps you get a better job done.

It is going to run great and you and going to know exactly what is in it. That's going to be fun.
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Powerflite
Posted 2020-05-19 3:22 PM (#598483 - in reply to #572778)
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Thanks Sam, yeah it would be even better if I could hot tank the block to remove everything out of the jackets, but at least I feel like I got the majority of it. I will also flush it out once I get the heads on it.
The rear seal on the 392 is pretty screwy. The seal used here isn't even made for this motor but adapted from some other application. Not sure what, maybe a 360? Anyway, it requires that this shim is placed underneath it to reduce the diameter and make it seat well. I don't trust this not to leak from underneath the seal so I clean out the groove really well with acetone, using cotton swabs, and apply high temp RTV between everything before it gets all buttoned up with the crank & main cap installed.



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Posted 2020-05-19 4:37 PM (#598494 - in reply to #598483)
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The shim was something new to me..I would absolutely put rtv silicone on both sides of it...
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Posted 2020-05-20 1:14 AM (#598530 - in reply to #572778)
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i remember installing that rear main... yeah i needed to put sealant on the ends... was weird but i followed directions.
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Powerflite
Posted 2020-05-24 12:55 PM (#598726 - in reply to #572778)
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I got the short block together yesterday. Coming along nicely. It seems like it wouldn't take much time to put these together based on how easy it is to take them apart, but it always take much longer than I expect. The original timing chain from this motor is the only original one I have seen that was still really tight, so I could have reused it, but I decided to replace it instead. I also included a picture of the piston compression height for reference. I have a set of heads that were used for racing. They have aftermarket springs installed into them so I am thinking I will take them to the machine shop to measure how much spring pressure they apply to see if I can use them as-is, since they have almost no miles on them. Eventually I will put aluminum heads on this motor, but I don't have enough money to do that now so a set of iron heads will do until then.



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1960fury
Posted 2020-05-24 2:02 PM (#598733 - in reply to #598726)
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Looks great! Is that a SA-Gear timing sprocket, that has a slot instead of a bore for the camshaft pin?
If so, have you deburred the slot? It looks like one.

Just bought a timing set from that company and was shocked that the chain was NOT made in the US and that the sprocket, that they proudly advertise as "Made in the USA", slot wasn't deburred. If I had it installed that way it would have caused severe axial run out and premature wear.

Ok, looks like the 392 cams do not have a pin like the big blocks, so nothing to worry about.

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Powerflite
Posted 2020-05-24 5:27 PM (#598738 - in reply to #572778)
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Thanks, the timing chain set is a Summit Racing brand, but it could have been made by SA. You're right that the hemi uses square keys in the cam & crank so it requires square slots. I didn't notice any burs on it, but I will look over it again, just in case.
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Posted 2020-05-25 7:52 PM (#598794 - in reply to #572778)
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I made a baffle for the oil pan. I didn't make it extend as far forward as the last time I made one, as I think it was a little overkill. But I kept the holes in the corners of it to allow the oil to flow from the back end.



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Powerflite
Posted 2020-05-27 4:28 PM (#598844 - in reply to #572778)
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It's coming along now. This is the first time I have used the chrome dipstick from Hot Heads as my original was long gone. That thing sure fits tight in there! I'm ready to bolt the heads on, but they aren't ready yet so they may hold me up for a while. I'm thinking of trying out the old metal head gaskets on it as I have gobs of them. I'll paint the exhaust manifolds and go through the power steering pump until the heads are ready. But I have decided to paint the firewall now, before I put this engine in the car. So I'll take some time off work to go buy some paint in the next couple of days. Time to decide on the exact shade of Parade Green I am looking for.



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Posted 2020-05-27 4:59 PM (#598846 - in reply to #598794)
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Powerflite - 2020-05-25 7:52 PM

I made a baffle for the oil pan. I didn't make it extend as far forward as the last time I made one, as I think it was a little overkill. But I kept the holes in the corners of it to allow the oil to flow from the back end.


Nice! Consider adding another baffle. I always add a de- and acceleration baffle, along with a windage tray of course.
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Posted 2020-06-06 2:07 PM (#599334 - in reply to #572778)
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I finally got around to spot welding the replacement lids on these 300C air cleaners. I was going to bend my own tongs to create the needed clearance, but it was such a pain to do without the right equipment, that I decided just to purchase them from Ebay. The spot welds came out really good on the lid as well as on the replacement lid mount that it needed. Unfortunately, in the meantime, I lost the little bracket that I made for one of them. Hopefully it'll show up, and when it does, I can weld it on there. Otherwise, I'll have to make another one. Now I just need to fill in the small slot I made to be able to assemble them.



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Powerflite
Posted 2020-06-07 3:23 AM (#599362 - in reply to #572778)
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I got the slots welded up and dressed, and got the air cleaners cleaned up. Once the old paint came off, I noticed the "TOP" stamp at the top of the lids looking back at me. I realized that those were useful when these parts were used as lids, but not now. So I welded them in and ground them back down to get rid of them. It would have been a lot easier to just use some bondo on them to cover them up, but this wasn't too hard either. These also have a drain hole in them that the 300C cleaners didn't use, but those don't bother me as they are at the bottom and completely unnoticeable when installed.

I also cleaned up the lids and large chunks of rust came off of one of them, revealing a lid that is holier than the Pope. I tried cutting the middle section out and welding it to a new outer, but the thing warped horribly due to how thin this metal is. I think I can eventually make it work, but it will take time. I do have a couple of extra lids so I will just use those, but I had other plans for them so I will want to make this replacement work at some point.



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Powerflite
Posted 2020-06-09 11:47 AM (#599461 - in reply to #572778)
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I purchased a set of '55 Windsor spinner hubcaps for this car. I am thinking of painting the centers either black or Parade Green and using the '56 New Yorker centers in them. A pretty good looking option for 15" wheels I think. I may start with the ribbed '55 hubcaps instead. Not sure which I like better yet.



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Powerflite
Posted 2020-06-20 11:52 AM (#599902 - in reply to #572778)
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I purchased the blue/green metallic single stage paint for this car yesterday so I can paint the firewall before the engine goes in. I also converted my white paint to an appropriate shade of off-white. After I got it home, the paint is close, but just a little too blue. Looks like I'll have to purchase a quart of yellow to adjust it to my liking. I may mix in a bit of white to lighten it up as well. This paint was quite expensive because of the amount of pearl that is included in it. I'm hoping I can get the whole car done with a single gallon. Since the inside of the trunk will be gray and the roof is white, I think I should be alright.

I also dropped off the heads to get the spring pressure tested. He left a message and said they were 250 lbs! I had to call him back to clarify. He said his machine could barely remove them, they were so strong. Must have been set up for an old blower motor. Looks like I won't be using those afterall. I'm thinking of building a set of 331 heads for it to bump the compression up to a true 10.4:1 instead.



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Posted 2020-06-20 1:52 PM (#599906 - in reply to #599902)
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I really like that color as is, but it will look great a bit greener too.

There is no way a gallon of paint will cover the entire car. Even if you skip under hood, door jambs, trunk, dash, etc it still won't come close. Two gallons would be an absolute minimum, and that's for a color with good coverage. Pearlescent paint tends to be more translucent and is affected by the underlying base. Plus you need enough material to be able to rub it out and polish without going through. I would buy two gallons and be prepared to need a third, and maybe more than that.
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Powerflite
Posted 2020-06-20 4:18 PM (#599910 - in reply to #599906)
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You may be right, but I don't believe that you would rub & polish a single stage paint. I believe you would typically just spray & leave it as long as you don't have runs or other issues.
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Posted 2020-08-06 4:49 PM (#601740 - in reply to #572778)
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I've been doing the repairs to the roof to get it ready for new paint. I was hoping I could keep the headliner in it as it was. It had a couple of holes in it, but overall, not too bad for an original headliner. But I had to pound out a number of small dents in the roof so that has taken it's toll on the headliner. It's really amazing how many dents a roof can have in it. Oh well, at least the roof is straight now. Behold the Parade Green in all it's original glory! Except that I think my camera makes it look slightly more blue than it really is for some reason.

Note to self: Smack the upper trim in the forward direction from above to get it off (after the screws & all other trim are off of course).

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22mafeja
Posted 2020-08-07 1:14 AM (#601754 - in reply to #572778)
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I sometimes paint the first 1,5 layers with another color than the final. That is when I know I might have too little paint. Remember that a single stage
metallic can`t be sanded at all before rubbing , you go through at once.
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Posted 2020-08-07 6:44 AM (#601756 - in reply to #572778)
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Yes, that parade green it's a glory color. That's one of my favourites
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Powerflite
Posted 2020-08-07 12:56 PM (#601760 - in reply to #572778)
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I really like the color too, that's why I am going to try and match my paint a little closer to what it should be. By the time I get done matching, I may end up with quite a bit more paint, but if not, I will just purchase more and do the same with it.

I'm not usually very fond of psychiatrists, but I have to admit that when a panel needs some psychiatric help, a good shrink really comes in handy! When I first purchased the shrinking disc a couple years ago, I didn't really understand what it was doing and I couldn't seem to get it to work (partly because it requires the paint to be completely removed first. A little surface rust is OK, but paint doesn't work at all with it). But I have used it on this roof and it's working AMAZINGLY well. Very pleased with the results. This spot on my roof was oil canning pretty bad because of how the original dent stretched the metal, and I couldn't get it in line because it would just bounce back up. Enter super shrinking disc to the rescue! Run it on there with a little pressure and then cool with a wet rag, and magically, all the high spots shrink down, tightening the panel so it can be worked again. By shrinking the high spots, it actually flattens the variations in the metal as well. You can't tell from the picture, but this roof is just about perfectly smooth now. If I were to give it some even color, you wouldn't see a bit of waviness there at all. This thing is really amazing.



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Powerflite
Posted 2020-08-07 1:59 PM (#601761 - in reply to #572778)
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This little aluminum bottle cap opener is the best tool for removing the drip rail molding without damaging it. Great little tool that works like a charm.

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Posted 2020-08-07 4:13 PM (#601767 - in reply to #601761)
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Powerflite - 2020-08-07 12:59 PM

This little aluminum can opener is the best tool for removing the drip rail molding without damaging it. Great little tool that works like a charm.

that can opener looks like a great trick! I've tried and failed miserably to get those off in the past without spiraling them
will try one of these next time
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Posted 2020-08-07 4:23 PM (#601768 - in reply to #572778)
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I think its a bottle cap opener so I edited it accordingly. Start at both ends by prying the molding upwards with it. When you reach the main downturn, you should be able to just pop it off.
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Posted 2020-08-09 1:54 PM (#601834 - in reply to #572778)
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I got all the dents pulled out of the roof. There were a bunch of little dings in it everywhere as well as a number of larger dents. But my headliner now looks like Berlin after WWII. After I stripped the roof down, I found a small rust hole that had developed under the front trim so I'll need to fix that, but I ran out of Argon/CO2 so it'll have to wait 'till next week. But I went ahead and sealed the roof so it wouldn't get condensation on the bare steel. Good thing I did as this morning, it was covered with dew. Now that it is a uniform color, I found yet another ding in it that I had missed. The rear trough that the back window sits in has a number of small rust holes in it too, that need to be fixed. It seems to never end, but I'm a lot closer now to being able to finally put a rear window into it, which is my current goal. I was planning to paint the roof now, but I think I will just get it straight and primed and then wait to paint it until after the firewall is painted & the motor is installed. That'll save me from worrying about ruining it from welding & grinding in the future.

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