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1coolbanana
Posted 2018-11-07 9:34 PM (#573147)
Subject: 413 Distributor 180 degrees out


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From the diagrams Im looking at, like the one below, my distributor appears 180 degrees out.
Does it matter??

 

On my 413, #1 is where #6 is in the diagram above as is the lead of course.

Does it matter?

Its obviously been like this for many years, and someone inserted the tang 180 out and just rewired the leads, maybe been like that most of its life.

TIA



Edited by 1coolbanana 2018-11-07 9:48 PM
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56D500boy
Posted 2018-11-08 12:03 AM (#573150 - in reply to #573147)
Subject: RE: 413 Distributor 180 degrees out



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Looks like the firing order is still 1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2 which is what you want.

Chizler once told me:

57chizler - 2017-06-09 2:32 PM

Mopar has offered this decal for years; works on any engine with the 1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2 firing order.


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wizard
Posted 2018-11-08 1:33 AM (#573151 - in reply to #573147)
Subject: Re: 413 Distributor 180 degrees out



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Yes, it's 180º out, but that doesn't really matter. 180º is better than any other "error" since the vacuum advance pot remains in the same position.

Just leave it "as is" until you find a reason to pull the Dizzy.
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1coolbanana
Posted 2018-11-08 5:33 AM (#573158 - in reply to #573147)
Subject: Re: 413 Distributor 180 degrees out


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Sounds like a good plan :-)
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chefothefuture
Posted 2019-03-05 11:33 PM (#578917 - in reply to #573147)
Subject: Re: 413 Distributor 180 degrees out


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I'm having a similarly odd issue on my '61 361. The #1 wire is in the #4 position on the chart here.
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1coolbanana
Posted 2019-03-05 11:38 PM (#578918 - in reply to #578917)
Subject: Re: 413 Distributor 180 degrees out


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chefothefuture - 2019-03-06 2:33 PM

I'm having a similarly odd issue on my '61 361. The #1 wire is in the #4 position on the chart here.


Do you have an aftermarket electronic distributor?
I do now and my 1 is at #7 position which just so happens to be 180 from where you are!

I could move the pump gear but Id rather leave it in the OEM position.
Not sure if the 361 is the same as 413 though.

Edited by 1coolbanana 2019-03-05 11:40 PM
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Mopar1
Posted 2019-03-06 6:52 AM (#578927 - in reply to #578918)
Subject: Re: 413 Distributor 180 degrees out



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As long as it is in proper order it doesn't matter where #1 is, unless it would confuse a mechanic who isn't paying attention.
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58coupe
Posted 2019-03-06 11:51 AM (#578936 - in reply to #573147)
Subject: Re: 413 Distributor 180 degrees out



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I believe all the big blocks are timed the same. Just as Sven has said, 180 out is not a problem as long as you know this. About the other positions mentioned, I think the only way you can have these and still run right is someone put the gear that drives the distributor in wrong. I would probably also leave it as is until the engine has to be disassembled for some other reason.
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57chizler
Posted 2019-03-06 12:55 PM (#578938 - in reply to #578936)
Subject: Re: 413 Distributor 180 degrees out



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If only the distributor is removed and installed 180 out, the error is symmetrical and the wire positions will be off 180 degrees but if the intermediate gear is also removed and installed incorrectly (for instance one tooth off) the wire positions will be asymmetrical.
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chefothefuture
Posted 2019-03-30 12:06 AM (#580106 - in reply to #578918)
Subject: Re: 413 Distributor 180 degrees out


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1coolbanana - 2019-03-05 11:38 PM

chefothefuture - 2019-03-06 2:33 PM

I'm having a similarly odd issue on my '61 361. The #1 wire is in the #4 position on the chart here.


Do you have an aftermarket electronic distributor?
I do now and my 1 is at #7 position which just so happens to be 180 from where you are!

I could move the pump gear but Id rather leave it in the OEM position.
Not sure if the 361 is the same as 413 though.


No, my distributor is standard, but given the interesting quality of the work done on the engine by an earlier owner, I suspect something wonderful inside the block...
I did re-insert the distributor with the shaft rotated 180 so the wires are now like the diagram. Pulling the heads off revealed something far far worse :-(

Edited by chefothefuture 2019-03-30 12:09 AM
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