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1960 des
Posted 2018-12-02 4:09 PM (#574528)
Subject: Wilwood+Magnumforce



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Has anyone in here mounted the Wilwood/Magnumforce kit Z-140-14227?
The 11.75 C body 57-64 original spindle kit & If so i wonder how you like it besides the cost? if somone chim in i have more precise questions in my pocket!
Thanks Michael




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BigBlockMopar
Posted 2018-12-03 4:22 AM (#574545 - in reply to #574528)
Subject: Re: Wilwood+Magnumforce



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I believe I have this kit/setup on my '57 Chrysler.
It was installed before I bought the car .

Brake performance is very good. Even with the stock booster.
Also at higher speeds you can feel the brakes grab firmly on the rotors and slow down the car quickly.

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hemidenis
Posted 2018-12-03 10:19 AM (#574554 - in reply to #574528)
Subject: Re: Wilwood+Magnumforce



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I dont know, the brake caliper look awfully small. My CBR1000RR has bigger brakes than those. Why nobody does a double caliper set up? calipers are cheap!


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CrAzYMoPaRGuY
Posted 2018-12-03 12:04 PM (#574561 - in reply to #574528)
Subject: Re: Wilwood+Magnumforce


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Correct me if I'm wrong here, but that Wilwood kit is everything BUT the caliper bracket. It is a "customer supplied" caliper bracket and caliper mounting hardware. It's the very same parts as in a B body kit from a decade later unless the Wilwood part numbers are wrong
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CrAzYMoPaRGuY
Posted 2018-12-03 1:30 PM (#574571 - in reply to #574528)
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https://www.wilwood.com/PDF/DataSheets/ds1162.pdf

Have a look?!?!
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hemidenis
Posted 2018-12-03 10:49 PM (#574584 - in reply to #574528)
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Yes, the bracket is not included.


I contacted SSBC company and they carry a double piston that fit the 14" rim, the problem with them is that the whole set up is a in-house design including the calipers. The only thing interchangeable with other brands are the pads.
The whole kit is $1000,00, if i ever try disc brake this will be the only one. Also Important 100% made in USA.



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1960fury
Posted 2018-12-04 6:39 AM (#574597 - in reply to #574584)
Subject: Re: Wilwood+Magnumforce



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hemidenis - 2018-12-03 10:49 PM

Yes, the bracket is not included.


I contacted SSBC company and they carry a double piston that fit the 14" rim, the problem with them is that the whole set up is a in-house design including the calipers. The only thing interchangeable with other brands are the pads.
The whole kit is $1000,00, if i ever try disc brake this will be the only one. Also Important 100% made in USA.



Why not Wilwood? Its a 4 piston fixed caliper, time and raceproven, in use in 100 000s of cars made in the USA. I use identical calipers since the 90s or 100 000+ miles with absolutely ZERO problems. Lightweight and strong with stainless steel pistons and under $1000.

The SSBC use a cheap and HEAVY one piece steel disc/hub. Wilwood is aluminum lightweight hub, 2 piece. That means you don't have to trash the bearings and all when you just need new discs.

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CrAzYMoPaRGuY
Posted 2018-12-04 10:38 AM (#574612 - in reply to #574528)
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I like the Wilwoods better than the SSBC honestly. I have SOME experience with SSBC but lots with Wilwood. I like the Wilwood stuff.
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hemidenis
Posted 2018-12-04 9:15 PM (#574676 - in reply to #574597)
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-No bracket provided.
-Need five new rims and tires. (that is going to be pretty expensive)
-they are actually not listing any kits for any of my 3 cars.
-most of the hardware is not included.
-cars are over 4000 pounds, almost 5000 with the Imperial., I don't think that an aluminum caliper and adapter would do much difference

According to you, I can use the same hubcaps but I don't want to found that in Argentina. The hubcaps are attached to the outer rim.







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1960fury
Posted 2018-12-05 5:56 AM (#574683 - in reply to #574676)
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hemidenis - 2018-12-04 9:15 PM


-cars are over 4000 pounds, almost 5000 with the Imperial., I don't think that an aluminum caliper and adapter would do much difference

According to you, I can use the same hubcaps but I don't want to found that in Argentina. The hubcaps are attached to the outer rim.




Unsprung weight does not care what the rest of the car weights, sure it is less noticeable in a heavy car, but safety wise unsprung weight offers te same benefits in a heavy car as in a lighter car. Same is true for rotating mass for performamce/fuel mileage gains.
I wouldn't be surprised if the SSBC kit is heavier than the OE system.
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Finsman
Posted 2019-07-09 1:58 PM (#584630 - in reply to #574528)
Subject: RE: Wilwood+Magnumforce


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I would love to jump into this kit but I am unclear if someone knows of options for a caliper bracket for the 57-64 spindle or a later spindle and bracket or a custom that is readily available. it appears that Chenowith speed is no longer in business. any ideas? 59 Dodge Sierra
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Finsman
Posted 2019-07-11 4:07 PM (#584706 - in reply to #574528)
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that kit,z-140-14227, is the Wilwood it that Magnum force uses for its conversion kit: MFR16110. This kit includes machined aluminum caliper brackets and has been updated to replace the Dynalite calipers with Dynapro series. $1695. I'm still trying to decide between A wildwood set up or go Scarebird with upgraded components. half the price, and I'm not driving autocross.
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Powerflite
Posted 2019-07-11 7:36 PM (#584713 - in reply to #574528)
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Scarebird is about 1/4 of the price you showed, when I buy the parts from Rockauto. I typically can get it done for around $430. And the most expensive part is the caliper bracket, which this WIlwood kit doesn't supply....

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Finsman
Posted 2019-07-12 12:19 PM (#584737 - in reply to #574528)
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Actually it does, don't look at the Wilwood page. Check the Magnum Force kit and it has a video of the whole thing, aluminum brackets and all. I guess my biggest question is if an Aluminum 4 piston wildwood set up is going to be that much better than the OEM stuff and Scarebird. Weight is a factor but stopping power and dependability are the most important. Oh, and $$$. I don't like the bearing spacers on the Bird kit.
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Powerflite
Posted 2019-07-12 4:08 PM (#584742 - in reply to #574528)
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I have put 15K miles on my Coronet with extra wide tires and the Scarebird kit on it. I don't have any issues with the spacers. If you are concerned about them, you can epoxy them to the spindle using JB weld. You would need heat to remove them afterward. But I just used thread locker and they stay put fine.
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Finsman
Posted 2019-07-22 12:25 PM (#585089 - in reply to #574528)
Subject: RE: Wilwood+Magnumforce


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I ordered the whole thing from Magnum force. They make the caliper brackets and Wilwood sells them the kit exclusively. Probably won't know how well it works for another year or so, but a couple months and I can tell you how the install went.
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