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1coolbanana
Posted 2018-12-04 4:35 AM (#574593)
Subject: SSBC Disc Conversion on 60 New Yorker


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Hi all
Been looking at the possible disc conversions and was going to follow Sids footsteps but Wilwood is just crazy expensive to get to Australia.

I looked at the SSBC but even that came to a staggering $2200 USD + tax landed here (about $3300 landed here with tax).

But I lucked out and got the complete SSBC A154 kit for $500 USD + $500 USD shipping,  :-)

https://ssbrakes.com/i-10092992-1957-1962mopar-front-4-piston-power-disc-brake-conversion-kit-a154-4.html




 

My question regarding this is, does the supplied master cylinder in the picture above work with my bellows style booster bellow?

The guy from SSBC could not confirm but thought it might not and could be an issue fitting under the bellows where the existing master cylinder lives.

Can anyone confirm or deny this?

Solutions for this if it does not?

Thank you in advance

 

 

 



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Posted 2018-12-04 10:44 AM (#574613 - in reply to #574593)
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The SSBC kit we used had four bolt mounting pad on the master. If it bolts up you'll have to look at pushrod engagement, brake line plumbing, and if your master will actually fit under the bellows. As well as if you can fill the reservoir with fluid.

Prices in Australia are crazy. Shipping prices alone are crazy!!!!
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Posted 2018-12-04 4:14 PM (#574640 - in reply to #574593)
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Brake line plumbing Im ok with, pushrod, I can make or modify to work and its supposed to be the 4 bolt that should bolt up.
Its the clearance, whether it fits under the booster and if not, what the alternative.

Hoping someone has done this with this style booster.

The other thing Im not sure about is the residual pressure valve required for the drums.
Is this already built into the master or do I need a separate inline one for the rear?
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Posted 2018-12-04 4:33 PM (#574641 - in reply to #574593)
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It should be included in the kit Marc, it's the black gadget with the knob in the lower right of the photo you posted.
To me, the included m/c looks to be lower than the oem, so I Think you're good….
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Posted 2018-12-04 4:37 PM (#574642 - in reply to #574641)
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wizard - 2018-12-05 7:33 AM

It should be included in the kit Marc, it's the black gadget with the knob in the lower right of the photo you posted.
To me, the included m/c looks to be lower than the oem, so I Think you're good….


I hope so, would be fantastic if its a direct bolt on :-)

So the proportioning valve is also the residual valve?
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Posted 2018-12-04 4:47 PM (#574645 - in reply to #574642)
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So the proportioning valve is also the residual valve?


No. You need a residual valve for the discs and, of course, the drums (different than a disc valve). I doubt these are inside the MC.

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Posted 2018-12-04 4:49 PM (#574646 - in reply to #574645)
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1coolbanana - 2018-12-04 4:37 PM



So the proportioning valve is also the residual valve?


No.


So is it built into the master cylinder like the original or will I need to add one?
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Posted 2018-12-04 4:50 PM (#574647 - in reply to #574646)
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So the proportioning valve is also the residual valve?


No.


So is it built into the master cylinder like the original or will I need to add one?


See edit^
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1coolbanana
Posted 2018-12-04 5:55 PM (#574652 - in reply to #574593)
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This kit is advertised to be a straight up complete bolt on kit for all 57-62 Chryslers (except the ones with the weird bellows like mine!).

I would hope that these things are included somehow.

The install instructions make no mention of any of this so what am I to assume?

I would have thought that this was all inclusive and or built in if its required.

Not sure what to assume.
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Posted 2018-12-04 6:06 PM (#574653 - in reply to #574593)
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https://ssbrakes.com/files/2015%20Instructions/a154-4.pdf
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Posted 2018-12-04 6:56 PM (#574656 - in reply to #574593)
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No, that master will not fit under your booster. If you want a dual port master that will fit, you need one of those flat-cap variety from the late-'60's. The master shown is for a 70's Dart and won't fit. But even the flat-cap master is a pain, so this is what I do instead.

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=59993&...

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Posted 2018-12-04 6:58 PM (#574657 - in reply to #574640)
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1coolbanana - 2018-12-04 4:14 PM

Brake line plumbing Im ok with, pushrod, I can make or modify to work and its supposed to be the 4 bolt that should bolt up.
Its the clearance, whether it fits under the booster and if not, what the alternative.

Hoping someone has done this with this style booster.

The other thing Im not sure about is the residual pressure valve required for the drums.
Is this already built into the master or do I need a separate inline one for the rear?


Wilwood sells a cheap residual valve that's compact if you need one. Street Rods use them all the time too. Try Ebay if you go that route. Your shipping rates are what scare me!!!
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Posted 2018-12-04 7:02 PM (#574659 - in reply to #574656)
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Powerflite - 2018-12-04 6:56 PM

No, that master will not fit under your booster. If you want a dual port master that will fit, you need one of those flat-cap variety from the mid-'60's. The master shown is for a 70's Dart and won't fit. But even the flat-cap master is a pain, so this is what I do instead.

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=59993&...

Hey!!! You like that dual remote billet reservoir ?? I think I have the same one in my Coupe!!!!
I was told if the reservoir itself is above the calipers or wheel cylinders that no residual valve is needed, even if the actual master is lower, below the floor etc...?
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Posted 2018-12-04 7:04 PM (#574661 - in reply to #574593)
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I like that brake setup Powerflite!!! Awesome way to take the pain out of filling the brake reservoir!!!! I once had a PB brake bellows, so I'm impressed!!
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Posted 2018-12-04 7:32 PM (#574663 - in reply to #574593)
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Oh boy.....can-o-worms

I was thinking this might be a simpler bolt on solution, 65-74 B&E-body Brake Booster Master Cylinder?

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Posted 2018-12-04 7:37 PM (#574664 - in reply to #574593)
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You can also pull that astrodome out and install new gauges. Will it work just as well, or maybe slightly better? Probably. But it will ruin the fun of owning a '60 Chrysler IMO.
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Posted 2018-12-04 7:38 PM (#574665 - in reply to #574593)
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I believe my buddy used exactly that setup on his 55 Custom Royal Lancer and it worked awesome.
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Posted 2018-12-04 7:47 PM (#574667 - in reply to #574593)
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Maybe so, but at least its a Mopar part.
Im not keen on using metric imperial mix and match.

I may design and make an extension housing instead to use the supplied master cylinder and bring it out from the firewall to clear the original booster.
This might be the simplest way to fix this if it doesnt interfere with anything else.
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Posted 2018-12-04 7:48 PM (#574668 - in reply to #574665)
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CrAzYMoPaRGuY - 2018-12-05 10:38 AM

I believe my buddy used exactly that setup on his 55 Custom Royal Lancer and it worked awesome.


Are you referring to the 65-74 B&E-body Brake Booster Master Cylinder?
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Posted 2018-12-04 8:32 PM (#574673 - in reply to #574593)
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Is this what you mean by a flat cap master?

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Posted 2018-12-04 8:42 PM (#574675 - in reply to #574593)
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Yes.
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Posted 2018-12-05 6:02 AM (#574685 - in reply to #574593)
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Posted 2018-12-05 11:38 AM (#574695 - in reply to #574668)
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1coolbanana - 2018-12-04 7:48 PM

CrAzYMoPaRGuY - 2018-12-05 10:38 AM

I believe my buddy used exactly that setup on his 55 Custom Royal Lancer and it worked awesome.


Are you referring to the 65-74 B&E-body Brake Booster Master Cylinder?


I believe he used the bracket and Z bar from an A body and the booster and master from a B body. Brakes worked awesome. Disc conversion up front.
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Posted 2018-12-05 11:46 AM (#574697 - in reply to #574663)
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Rofl F that monstrosity... no way would that thing fit next to my engine.

Im going the powerflite setup.

 

1coolbanana - 2018-12-04 7:32 PM

Oh boy.....can-o-worms

I was thinking this might be a simpler bolt on solution, 65-74 B&E-body Brake Booster Master Cylinder?

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1coolbanana
Posted 2018-12-05 2:34 PM (#574711 - in reply to #574697)
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mikes2nd - 2018-12-06 2:46 AM

Rofl F that monstrosity... no way would that thing fit next to my engine.

Im going the powerflite setup.

 

1coolbanana - 2018-12-04 7:32 PM

Oh boy.....can-o-worms

I was thinking this might be a simpler bolt on solution, 65-74 B&E-body Brake Booster Master Cylinder?



Not my preferred option but isnt that bad

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Posted 2018-12-05 9:54 PM (#574740 - in reply to #574593)
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with the senseless money cost of rebuilding the oval PB unit, I think getting something more modern maybe the best solution.


Edited by hemidenis 2018-12-06 12:31 PM
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Posted 2018-12-05 10:37 PM (#574742 - in reply to #574740)
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hemidenis - 2018-12-05 9:54 PM

with the cost senseless cost to rebuild the oval PB unit, I think getting something more modern maybe the best solution.


Any idea what this PB Booster is from? It's on a 55 Dodge Custom Royal (not mine) that had a Scare Bird front Disc conversion done. I know that changing the spark plugs is going to be a B-I-T-C-H.



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Posted 2018-12-06 4:51 AM (#574757 - in reply to #574742)
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hemidenis - 2018-12-05 9:54 PM

with the cost senseless cost to rebuild the oval PB unit, I think getting something more modern maybe the best solution.


Any idea what this PB Booster is from? It's on a 55 Dodge Custom Royal (not mine) that had a Scare Bird front Disc conversion done. I know that changing the spark plugs is going to be a B-I-T-C-H.



LOL

I can tell you exactly. That's the car Paul built. It's not a Scarebird kit either I don't think. I'll ask him again when I see him exactly what he used, but the car stopped well.
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Posted 2018-12-08 5:04 PM (#574894 - in reply to #574593)
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Okee doke.

Front disc brake conversion is an ECI conversion kit.
Bracket and linkage from an A body MoPar.
Booster is a 1967 B body booster.
Master is a 1969 B body disc brake master.
He added the bracket from the firewall to the back of the top of the booster to try to reduce firewall flex. Made it himself.
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Posted 2018-12-08 5:17 PM (#574895 - in reply to #574894)
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CrAzYMoPaRGuY - 2018-12-08 5:04 PM

Okee doke.

Front disc brake conversion is an ECI conversion kit.


Thanks. I had NOT heard of ECI or their conversions. Looks like they only do 11" drum conversions for the 55-56 Dodge/Plymouths. Won't work for me but thanks for the info.

http://www.ecihotrodbrakes.com/dodge_plymouth_discbrake_conversions...

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Posted 2018-12-08 6:00 PM (#574898 - in reply to #574593)
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Paul has used Scarebird before but he didn't like the brackets on the kits he bought from them, so he tried ECI.
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Posted 2018-12-08 6:13 PM (#574899 - in reply to #574898)
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CrAzYMoPaRGuY - 2018-12-08 6:00 PM

Paul has used Scarebird before but he didn't like the brackets on the kits he bought from them, so he tried ECI.


Good to know. Neither Scarebird or ECI seems to have a bracket for the four bolt 55-56 Chrysler Windsor, etc. spindles which my 56 Dodge D500 has.

No problem. *IF* I abandon my D500 12 x 2.5 drums, I can get 4 four bolt Chrysler brackets, etc. from Roger at AAJ in Portland OR. I just wanted to see if there were alternatives.

My current center plane front brakes:



Edited by 56D500boy 2018-12-08 8:16 PM




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Posted 2018-12-08 9:22 PM (#574905 - in reply to #574898)
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CrAzYMoPaRGuY - 2018-12-08 3:00 PM

Paul has used Scarebird before but he didn't like the brackets on the kits he bought from them, so he tried ECI.


What didn't he like about the brackets? The Scarebird kit is great for '57-up because it gets you 12" rotors (used with 15" wheels). I run them on all my cars and they work great.
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Posted 2018-12-08 10:11 PM (#574908 - in reply to #574905)
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Powerflite - 2018-12-08 9:22 PM

CrAzYMoPaRGuY - 2018-12-08 3:00 PM

Paul has used Scarebird before but he didn't like the brackets on the kits he bought from them, so he tried ECI.


What didn't he like about the brackets? The Scarebird kit is great for '57-up because it gets you 12" rotors (used with 15" wheels). I run them on all my cars and they work great.


The brackets he didn't like were on GM applications. I saw one of his Cadillacs, and the brackets were not very sturdy at all. This was a few years back, two Caddys. I have nooooo idea where he got the idea of ECI though. Never heard of them!!!
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Posted 2018-12-10 4:05 AM (#574971 - in reply to #574593)
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Can anyone please confirm positively whether this would fit under the bonnet of the 60 New Yorker and no issues with valve covers or anything else?

Just weighing up the options atm.

65-74 B&E-body Brake Booster Master Cylinder

http://www.mattsclassicbowties.com/contents/en-us/p5404.html



Edited by 1coolbanana 2018-12-10 5:23 AM
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Posted 2018-12-10 1:17 PM (#574998 - in reply to #574593)
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Of what i can see the ECI conversion kit has a single piston caliper, so the bite force maybe not enough.
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Posted 2018-12-10 1:45 PM (#575001 - in reply to #574998)
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hemidenis - 2018-12-10 1:17 PM

Of what i can see the ECI conversion kit has a single piston caliper, so the bite force maybe not enough.


They all use single piston calipers:

http://rustyhope.com/site/mopar-discbrakes/

https://scarebird.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=64&produc...

http://www.aajbrakes.com/rproductinfo.html

http://www.ecihotrodbrakes.com/dodge_plymouth_discbrake_conversions...

Scare Bird on the left, AAJ on the right:





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Posted 2018-12-10 2:26 PM (#575003 - in reply to #574697)
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mikes2nd - 2018-12-05 11:46 AM

Rofl F that monstrosity... no way would that thing fit next to my engine.

Im going the powerflite setup.

 

1coolbanana - 2018-12-04 7:32 PM

Oh boy.....can-o-worms

I was thinking this might be a simpler bolt on solution, 65-74 B&E-body Brake Booster Master Cylinder?



ROFLx2 From what I heard there is now an updated version that extends thru the engine bay and the MC bolts to the grille, so you can service it from the outside
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Posted 2018-12-10 2:40 PM (#575005 - in reply to #575001)
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hemidenis - 2018-12-10 1:17 PM

Of what i can see the ECI conversion kit has a single piston caliper, so the bite force maybe not enough.


They all use single piston calipers:

http://rustyhope.com/site/mopar-discbrakes/

https://scarebird.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=64&produc...

http://www.aajbrakes.com/rproductinfo.html

http://www.ecihotrodbrakes.com/dodge_plymouth_discbrake_conversions...

Scare Bird on the left, AAJ on the right:



:)


The SSBC Ive got is a four piston caliper


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Posted 2018-12-10 2:42 PM (#575006 - in reply to #574593)
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Dont know why you guys are so hard on this setup.
Looks fine and probably works great.

Im very limited in what parts are available here so compromises have to be made.

Would really help me out if someone could tell me if it fits mine ok please??

http://www.mattsclassicbowties.com/contents/en-us/p5404.html



Edited by 1coolbanana 2018-12-10 2:49 PM
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Posted 2018-12-10 4:05 PM (#575010 - in reply to #574593)
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It's plausible that it will fit, the reinforcement plate on the firewall seems to be the same as the older cars.

The big question is if the pedal ratio will suit the new unit without any modifications.


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