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Posted 2019-01-17 4:25 PM (#576933)
Subject: 58 Dodge Sweptside Truck; $14999



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I didn't know that made single headlamps for the 58 truck. I thought they were all dual lamps. 

Don't know enough to say what this is worth.

https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/cto/d/riverside-1958-dodge-swept-side-100/6789674198.html

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Posted 2019-01-17 5:31 PM (#576942 - in reply to #576933)
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Was running when parked in very good shape need restoration
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56D500boy
Posted 2019-01-17 5:53 PM (#576944 - in reply to #576933)
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Interesting. Despite all the literal rat s**t that is on the engine, the rats don't seem to have chewed any wiring.



The trans is a 3 spd LoadFlite. I would be real curious to know whether it was a Chrysler torqueflite or the Imperial torqueflite

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Posted 2019-01-17 7:27 PM (#576954 - in reply to #576933)
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I am surprised it is a custom truck but it doesn't have the large back glass.
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Posted 2019-01-17 8:15 PM (#576955 - in reply to #576942)
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mstrug - 2019-01-17 4:31 PM

Was running when parked in very good shape need restoration


Ya think?
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jboymechanic
Posted 2019-01-18 10:51 PM (#577027 - in reply to #576933)
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What would be the difference between an Imperial and Chrysler TorqueFlite transmissions? Also, were the Chrysler based Poly engines available in Dodge pickups in '58?
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56D500boy
Posted 2019-01-19 2:04 AM (#577028 - in reply to #577027)
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jboymechanic - 2019-01-18 10:51 PM

What would be the difference between an Imperial and Chrysler TorqueFlite transmissions?


Based on the 55-58 Mopar Parts catalogue pdf and the 50-65 Mopar Parts interchange pdf, the 57-58 New Yorker and the 57-58 Imperial and the 57-58 Dodge light trucks all used the same 1738 227 oil-cooled Torqueflite transmission. In the trucks it was called the "LoadFlite".

Other 57-58 Chryslers, like the Windsors (C75) and maybe the C75 Saratogas used the Air-cooled 1823 593 Torqueflite (which was also the late run 56 Chrysler and Imperial Torqueflite)

Corroborating info below:



Edited by 56D500boy 2019-01-19 2:14 AM




(LoadFlite.jpg)



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mikes2nd
Posted 2019-01-19 9:53 AM (#577033 - in reply to #576933)
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dual lamps looks better, and 15k? eh... thats like 5$ per rat turd...

Could have at least cleaned that up if your asking that much
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jboymechanic
Posted 2019-01-20 11:58 PM (#577146 - in reply to #577028)
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56D500boy - 2019-01-19 1:04 AM

jboymechanic - 2019-01-18 10:51 PM

What would be the difference between an Imperial and Chrysler TorqueFlite transmissions?


Based on the 55-58 Mopar Parts catalogue pdf and the 50-65 Mopar Parts interchange pdf, the 57-58 New Yorker and the 57-58 Imperial and the 57-58 Dodge light trucks all used the same 1738 227 oil-cooled Torqueflite transmission. In the trucks it was called the "LoadFlite".

Other 57-58 Chryslers, like the Windsors (C75) and maybe the C75 Saratogas used the Air-cooled 1823 593 Torqueflite (which was also the late run 56 Chrysler and Imperial Torqueflite)

Corroborating info below:



Ok, I agree that there was no difference between the TorqueFlites. However, '56 Imperials with TF trans were liquid cooled, they had a smaller cooler that basically took the place of the lower radiator hose. The cooler had a two bolt flange, much like the thermostat housing, that connected at the water pump and a short piece of straight hose connected the cooler to the bottom of the radiator. Here is an example of one for sale on ebay.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1955-1956-Chrysler-300-Imperial-Windsor-New...

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56D500boy
Posted 2019-01-21 8:18 AM (#577157 - in reply to #577146)
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jboymechanic - 2019-01-20 11:58 PM

Ok, I agree that there was no difference between the TorqueFlites. However, '56 Imperials with TF trans were liquid cooled, they had a smaller cooler that basically took the place of the lower radiator hose. The cooler had a two bolt flange, much like the thermostat housing, that connected at the water pump and a short piece of straight hose connected the cooler to the bottom of the radiator. Here is an example of one for sale on ebay.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1955-1956-Chrysler-300-Imperial-Windsor-New...



Thanks for that link. I was looking for one of those (it's not very good but at least I can see how it works a bit). I bought it to see.

I wasn't there in 1956 so I can't dispute the late run 56 C70 Imperial TFs being air or liquid cooled. However the PN for 56 was supposedly 1823 593 which was used as the 57 Chrysler Windsor C75 TF and it was air cooled (I just bought one).



Edited by 56D500boy 2019-01-21 8:20 AM




(Generic55-58TransmissionBellHousingAndAdapterDiagram.jpg)



(21-02-1TorqueFliteAssemblyNumbersIncluding1823593.jpg)



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Powerflite
Posted 2019-01-21 8:40 AM (#577159 - in reply to #577027)
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jboymechanic - 2019-01-18 7:51 PM

....Also, were the Chrysler based Poly engines available in Dodge pickups in '58?


No they weren't, at least not in the US. I'm not sure about Canada. But the larger trucks could have a Chrysler 354 hemi installed into them in '58. The one shown in the truck is a Dodge poly. It could have also had a Dodge hemi motor as an option, but maybe not in the 1/2 ton sweptside, I'm not sure.

That oil cooler fits a Chrysler water pump. You will need to modify it to work on your Dodge. But probably just the flange, so hopefully not too hard.
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56D500boy
Posted 2019-01-21 11:24 AM (#577167 - in reply to #577159)
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Powerflite - 2019-01-21 8:40 AM

No they weren't, at least not in the US. I'm not sure about Canada. But the larger trucks could have a Chrysler 354 hemi installed into them in '58. The one shown in the truck is a Dodge poly. It could have also had a Dodge hemi motor as an option, but maybe not in the 1/2 ton sweptside, I'm not sure.

That oil cooler fits a Chrysler water pump. You will need to modify it to work on your Dodge. But probably just the flange, so hopefully not too hard.


Two things:

1. I know that that trans oil cooler might not work for me on my 315 Dodge Hemi but at least I will be able to see how they were supposed to work first hand.

2. Based on this Youtube video, it appears that 1958 Sweptsides could definitely be had with hemis. In this case, a 315 Power Giant Hemi (not sure why it would be 315 and not 325 which was a 1957 Dodge engine):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDdofzpa7f0





And I guess four headlights was an option (??):



Edited by 56D500boy 2019-01-21 11:26 AM




(58DodgeSweptSideWith315PowerGiant.jpg)



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56D500boy
Posted 2019-03-25 8:14 PM (#579915 - in reply to #577028)
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56D500boy - 2019-01-18 11:04 PM

Based on the 55-58 Mopar Parts catalogue pdf and the 50-65 Mopar Parts interchange pdf, the 57-58 New Yorker and the 57-58 Imperial and the 57-58 Dodge light trucks all used the same 1738 227 oil-cooled Torqueflite transmission. In the trucks it was called the "LoadFlite".


After working for days to clean up a Windsor (C75) Air-cooled 1823 593 cast-iron torqueflite (that I bought out of Iowa) so the transmission shop wouldn't banish me from every entering their shop again, I was almost ready to take it to them. I just needed a new trans oil pan gasket so I could put the oil pan back on. I went to see my local NOS parts guy this AM with my trans oil pan to match to a gasket (no luck), we got to talking and suddenly he remembers that he has a 318 with a cast-ironTorqueflite from a 1958 Dodge truck out in his garage. We went out to look at it and sure enough, it is an oil-cooled cast-iron Torqueflite. I came home to check which trans the 58 D100 trucks got and sure enough it was the 1738 227, which was also the 57 and 58 New Yorker and Imperial torqueflite. (Sounds good to me)

Bottomline: I am now abandoning the Air-cooled torqueflite in favour of the oil-cooled one. Too bad I wasted all that time cleaning it.

PS: Apparently the 58 Dodge truck that it came out of was NOT a Sweptside (not that that makes any difference).



Edited by 56D500boy 2019-03-25 9:31 PM
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56D500boy
Posted 2019-03-27 3:12 PM (#579988 - in reply to #579915)
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56D500boy - 2019-03-25 5:14 PM

I went to see my local NOS parts guy this AM with my trans oil pan to match to a gasket (no luck), we got to talking and suddenly he remembers that he has a 318 with a cast-iron Torqueflite from a 1958 Dodge truck out in his garage. We went out to look at it and sure enough, it is an oil-cooled cast-iron Torqueflite. I came home to check which trans the 58 D100 trucks got and sure enough it was the 1738 227, which was also the 57 and 58 New Yorker and Imperial torqueflite. (Sounds good to me)

Bottomline: I am now abandoning the Air-cooled torqueflite in favour of the oil-cooled one. Too bad I wasted all that time cleaning it.



Well the good news is I didn't waste my time cleaning the aircooled Windsor TF. I went to get the oil cooled truck "TF" this AM and as soon as we removed some of the stuff that was piled on the engine/trans combo, I could finally see that it WAS NOT A TORQUEFLITE. It is an oil-cooled 2 spd PowerFlite, i.e. 1664 403 (number 294 in the list below). I thought that 1665 403 would cross back to an early build 56 Chrysler or Imperial but it doesn't. The good news is I didn't spend more money on this transmission project.

So the bottomline is NOT all trucks (at least not non-Sweptsides) with automatics in those years had Torqueflites. Some had Powerflites.

Live and learn. Too soon old, too late smart.





Edited by 56D500boy 2019-03-27 3:16 PM
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Posted 2019-03-27 3:18 PM (#579990 - in reply to #576933)
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A one year only '57 Powerflite for a truck. I've never seen that before , and never would have guessed it.
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Posted 2019-03-27 3:23 PM (#579991 - in reply to #576933)
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I don't see my truck's transmission in the list. It is a '57 D200 with a 4-speed, controls on top.
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Posted 2019-03-27 4:10 PM (#579994 - in reply to #579991)
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Powerflite - 2019-03-27 12:18 PM
A one year only '57 Powerflite for a truck. I've never seen that before , and never would have guessed it.


Tell me about it. When I was talking to my NOS guy on Monday, he remembered the truck that it came out of as being a 1958. Since I saw oil lines I (incorrectly) assumed 58 oil-cooled torqueflite. Today, it is obvious(ish) that the truck was a 57 *OR* a Canadian 58 Dodge truck. Either way, I lose. Dayum

Powerflite - 2019-03-27 12:23 PM
I don't see my truck's transmission in the list. It is a '57 D200 with a 4-speed, controls on top.


Sorry. I must have cut the listing off in the previous post(s). The truck 4 spds are under Transmission Item 299. See below:



Edited by 56D500boy 2019-03-27 4:15 PM




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Posted 2019-03-27 4:16 PM (#579995 - in reply to #579990)
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Powerflite - 2019-03-27 3:18 PM

A one year only '57 Powerflite for a truck. I've never seen that before , and never would have guessed it.



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