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56D500boy
Posted 2019-01-21 7:47 PM (#577181)
Subject: An attempt at refurbing a 56 Dodge V8 starter



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Previously I have complained about hard starting issues with my 56 Dodge D500 315 hemi. I've replaced the battery and added a huge solenoid to starter cable and most of the time, that works. Except for "some of the time" when the battery doesn't seem to have enough UMPF to get things going. Including a week ago and a bit yesterday. SO...*FINALLY* I removed the started (that upper fine thread nut on the stud is a real pain without a 5/8" curved starter wrench (Duh)).

The starter should be an MDF 6007 according to my parts manual but there was NO Autolite tag on it. Just a stamped "3410" on the body and an "11-4" tag on the Bendix nose. The armature is an MDF 2088 (which should be Autolite). "3410" might be WILSON (??)

So I took the starter off, placed it on my WORKMATE and proceeded to dismantle and clean it. I truly expected the issue to be the brushes but I think that they are fine. I cleaned inside the housing and the segments between the armature and commutator bits and sanded (by hand spinning) the commutator with 2000 grit wet/dry sand paper (dry). I used dowels to hold the brush springs back during reassembly.

Once reassembled I tried energizing it with my 12V battery charger to see how easily it would spin. Yikes!! Moved a 1/2" and then stalled. Charger gauge went to full scale (8+ Amps). Hmm....Okay somethings jammed (??).

Take the end plate off again. Hold the brush springs back (again) and hand spin it (moved fairly easily). Released the brush springs one at a time, checking for binding each time. Even with all four springs released, I could still spin it by hand (well "spin" might be a stretch - at least it moved). Put the end plate back on and bolted it back together.

Tried energizing it again. Same thing. Moves about 1/2" then stalls. Does NOT spin.

Phoned the shop that did my generator and they said "Bring it in, we'll fix it" (He warned me about maybe needing an armature).

I do know about the aftermarket gear reduction starters and may or may not go that way.

What I would really like is a NOS MDF 6007 with an Autolite tag.

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ronbo97
Posted 2019-01-21 8:41 PM (#577182 - in reply to #577181)
Subject: Re: An attempt at reburbing a 56 Dodge V8 starter


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Try using a 12V battery to spin it. Not sure why you would use a battery charger. Also, why is everything inside the starter red oxide color ?

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56D500boy
Posted 2019-01-21 8:52 PM (#577183 - in reply to #577182)
Subject: Re: An attempt at refurbing a 56 Dodge V8 starter



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ronbo97 - 2019-01-21 8:41 PM
Try using a 12V battery to spin it. Not sure why you would use a battery charger. Also, why is everything inside the starter red oxide color ?
Ron


I used the battery charger because it was handier than dragging out jumper cables. I will try jumper cables in the AM.

Apparently some remanufacturers like WILSON (which I think this "3410" is) liked to paint the inside bits in that red oxide (so I am told). Don't know why.

Dave F.



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56D500boy
Posted 2019-01-21 9:11 PM (#577184 - in reply to #577183)
Subject: Re: An attempt at reburbing a 56 Dodge V8 starter



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Ronbo: I just went through my "Hard Starting" thread http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=66809&...
and found one of your posts:

ronbo97 - 2017-10-31 9:09 PM

Just read this thread.

It's not the cigarette lighter or radio. You don't need heavy duty battery cables. It's a 12V system. 4ga battery cables, available anywhere, are fine. Your battery is holding a charge. So it's not that. All these voltage measurements are not necessary. Parasitic drain ? Unless you are leaving your headlights on overnight, then that's not an issue.

You are throwing a lot of time and money at this, while ignoring the obvious. Your starter is toast. Willing to bet that the brushes are down to nothing. Pull the starter. Is it the correct starter for your car ? If it's some old aftermarket crap, find the correct starter with the correct green tag. Then have that rebuilt and tested. Install it on your car. I'll bet that you won't have any more problems.

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Brushes were fine but it is a WILSON rebuilt starter of indeterminate age.

And one from Local2Ed:

local2Ed - 2017-12-06 1:38 PM

Worn bushings or bearings that the armature shaft ride on can cause intermitent no start/crank. Think of the armature as being "off center" do to the wear and dragging.
I don't know if anyone mentioned this or not.


I think you are both probably right. I'll find out tomorrow when I *FINALLY* take the starter to an Autoelectric shop.





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58coupe
Posted 2019-01-21 10:36 PM (#577190 - in reply to #577181)
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Dave , Don't expect a small battery charger to turn your starter. One of the tests on a starter is to spin it "no load" and see how many amps it draws. Your starter should be drawing 60-70 amps spinning on the bench. Hook it to a battery as Ronbo said.
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56D500boy
Posted 2019-01-22 1:20 AM (#577195 - in reply to #577190)
Subject: Re: An attempt at reburbing a 56 Dodge V8 starter



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58coupe - 2019-01-21 10:36 PM
Dave , Don't expect a small battery charger to turn your starter. One of the tests on a starter is to spin it "no load" and see how many amps it draws. Your starter should be drawing 60-70 amps spinning on the bench. Hook it to a battery as Ronbo said.


Thanks guys. I am hearing you. I will "test" the starter off a charged 12V battery (with my big welding cable jumper cables that I made in Inuvik in 1974) and see what happens before I decide to take it to a shop.

However, since first posting, I found out that a Wilson 3410 (which is what I have) is a replacement for Autolite MDG 6002 snd MDG 6001 starters. When I chase these two numbers I find out that those are 6 cylinder engine starters not a V8 starter. Furthermore, the V8 starter that what needed was an MDF 6007. That said, there seems to be MDG and MDF confusion or typos in the parts manual so keeping things straight is tough.

The "good news" is all of three of those starters use an 1473 219 Bendix drive and a 1843 285 armature. When I chase an 1843 285 (which looks like a 1958 model year PN) armature, I get a cross to an older part number, 1658 555 (which looks better, i.e. a 1956 part number). When I check the cross on a 1658 555 armature, it crosses to an Autolite MDF 2008, which is what I have in the Wilson 3410.

So I *could* conclude that, while there must be a difference between a 6 cylinder and V8 1956 Dodge starter, two of the main components are the same.

If only I could find an nice working green tag MDF 6007 starter.



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coronetx2
Posted 2019-01-22 4:53 AM (#577212 - in reply to #577181)
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Hey Dave
I used to work at a starter shop
Clean Com on the armature remove the brushes .
Clean all the contact point file the faces of the brushes clean
Oil all bushing and check for wear/slop
Clean the screw pads in the starter case
Phil
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finsruskw
Posted 2019-01-22 11:00 AM (#577222 - in reply to #577181)
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Again, why are these threads so darned wide??
Need magnifying glass to read them. or constantly scroll back and forth to read!
PITA!!
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56D500boy
Posted 2019-01-22 11:33 AM (#577226 - in reply to #577222)
Subject: Re: An attempt at refurbing a 56 Dodge V8 starter



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finsruskw - 2019-01-22 11:00 AM

Again, why are these threads so darned wide??
Need magnifying glass to read them. or constantly scroll back and forth to read!
PITA!!


Dave: Everything that I added (photos, PN charts, etc) meets the forum's 250 kB max limit. I just measured the widest attachment on my screen and it is 14". So I think the problem is a) you don't have a 16:9 aspect ratio (or wider) monitor (mine is 22" x 13") and/or b) you don't have your browser window pulled out wide (I have my browser window within 1" of the left side of the monitor and 1/2" of the right side (so my browser window is 19.5" wide)). Works for me.

Try it.

Dave F.

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56D500boy
Posted 2019-01-22 12:36 PM (#577229 - in reply to #577212)
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coronetx2 - 2019-01-22 4:53 AM

Hey Dave
I used to work at a starter shop
Clean Com on the armature remove the brushes .
Clean all the contact point file the faces of the brushes clean
Oil all bushing and check for wear/slop
Clean the screw pads in the starter case
Phil


Thanks Phil. I did most (but not all) of those yesterday.

Just called my local NOS Mopar guy and his inventory computer says that he has a NOS MDF 2088 armature. So I'm off to his house.

ALSO...

Just tried the starter with 12V off a battery with a running car (my wife's I don't work on it let the shop deal with it Hyundai Elantra). Spun nicely.

One issue that I hoped would go away but didn't. When I was playing with the disassembled starter yesterday, I inadvertently wound the Bendix all the way out. Naturally with the engine not being able to spin it back, I'm not sure how to get it back into the nose.

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Posted 2019-01-22 2:36 PM (#577235 - in reply to #577181)
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This has just started here within the last few 6-8 months or so IIRC.
This thread is WAAY to wide for some reason.
on the other hand.....
other threads here ARE NOT.
The first one on the page for instance comes across normally, I just checked for comparrison.
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Posted 2019-01-22 3:13 PM (#577237 - in reply to #577181)
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A posted photo should be approximately 40% of the original size - larger photos stretch the posts out, least that's what I normally do.


If one photo is to large, the whole thread will be "damaged"


Here's one of Daves photos, reduced to 40% with Microsoft "Paint"



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56D500boy
Posted 2019-01-22 3:36 PM (#577239 - in reply to #577184)
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56D500boy - 2019-01-21 9:11 PM
I think you are both probably right. I'll find out tomorrow when I *FINALLY* take the starter to an Autoelectric shop.


56D500boy - 2019-01-22 12:36 PM
One issue that I hoped would go away but didn't. When I was playing with the disassembled starter yesterday, I inadvertently wound the Bendix all the way out. Naturally with the engine not being able to spin it back, I'm not sure how to get it back into the nose.



After picking up a New Old Rebuilt Stock (NORS) MDF 2088 armature and a set of new brushes from my local NOS guy this AM, I drove to Brighouse Auto Electric to show the starter to Andy there. He took it back into the shop and came back in about 2 minutes and said "Found your main problem, the flywheel end of the armature isn't properly shimmed away from that end plate and you can see where it is rubbing and grounding out. This might be the problem of your intermittent no start/hard start issue. Easy fix. No problem."

Then he went back into the back shop for a few minutes and then came back out and said "Found another issue: The internal connection to the external positive stud is flaky. This too might be the cause of your no start issue. No big deal, I'll just have to disassemble things and fix that problem".

Then we had a conversation about the red oxide paint (he doesn't like it) and the NORS 2088 armature and the brushes I bought. He said that both my "armature and brushes were fine but if you are going to keep the NORS armature as a spare, we might as well install it and you can keep this one. And I might as well use the new brushes too. I'll sand blast (and paint) the case, etc. and put new bushings in. Should be done by 5 PM. Give me a call". (I told him that I wouldn't be back until Weds).

On the issue of the Bendix sticking out, he said "No biggy, you could have just jiggled the gear until it meshed with the ring gear when I was doing the install. Or you could have spun the gear with a wire wheel and it would have retracted. Regardless, I'll get it back in during the reassembly. See you tomorrow".

So everything *should* be good (maybe).

It's raining like crazy here so the old Dodge would be out anyway.

Thanks to all for your patience and comments.

One photo to show where one of the issues was:


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56D500boy
Posted 2019-01-22 4:05 PM (#577240 - in reply to #577237)
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wizard - 2019-01-22 3:13 PM
A posted photo should be approximately 40% of the original size - larger photos stretch the posts out, least that's what I normally do.


Sven: 40% of what? That doesn't work as a blanket statement.

Some of those photos that I posted above started off at 5152 x 3864 pixels or roughly 7.8 Mb each. Others were 2592 x 1944 pixels or roughly 2.9 Mb. Regardless, I brought all them down to about 1296 x 973 pixels which was either about 50% or 25% of what I shot. 1296 x 973 was 187 kB which is well under the current forum limit of 250 kB.

Either somebody should change the forum limit to accommodate those still using 4:3 Cathode ray tubes or somebody else needs buy a wider, higher resolution, LED monitor. (They are cheap. Mine is an ACER. I paid about $150 four years ago)

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Posted 2019-01-23 12:41 AM (#577255 - in reply to #577181)
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I normally use a medium resulution Dave, like 180 DPI, 248 x 1536 (777,8 KB) and resize the photo in Microsoft Paint to 40%, wich makes the size 180 DPI, 820 x 615 (158,5KB).


This method seems to work with most resulutions, if one not uses superfine.


Next time you post a new thread (or if you clean up this one), try to resize the first photo to 40% and upload it.

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Posted 2019-01-23 12:57 AM (#577257 - in reply to #577255)
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wizard - 2019-01-23 12:41 AM
Next time you post a new thread (or if you clean up this one), try to resize the first photo to 40% and upload it.


Sorry Sven. I will continue to resize to meet the forum requirements, i.e. < 250 kB (which usually ends up at about 180 to 200 kB). And not "40% reduction". Change the forum requirements or encourage members to get rid of their 4:3 Cathode ray VGA colour monitors. I am not the problem.



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Posted 2019-01-23 1:53 AM (#577259 - in reply to #577181)
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Totally up to you Dave, the too large photos will stretch your threads and make them more difficult to read for other members.
As you write, you're not the problem, but it lays in your hands to make it easier for our members.

The forum platform will not change, it will be used until the administrator eventually change the platform.
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Posted 2019-01-23 9:16 AM (#577263 - in reply to #577259)
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So you told us above that this aftermarket starter is for a 6 cyl engine. Yet you're going to use it on a V8 ? Do you see any potential problems with that ?

As I've said before, you should locate the correct starter for your car and have that rebuilt. Otherwise, you are creating unnecessary problems for yourself.

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Posted 2019-01-23 10:38 AM (#577268 - in reply to #577263)
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ronbo97 - 2019-01-23 9:16 AM

So you told us above that this aftermarket starter is for a 6 cyl engine. Yet you're going to use it on a V8 ? Do you see any potential problems with that ?

As I've said before, you should locate the correct starter for your car and have that rebuilt. Otherwise, you are creating unnecessary problems for yourself. Ron



This Wilson 3410 (remanufactured ) starter has been on the car for at least 25 years so it's not like I bought it recently to install it. It's what I currently have to work with.

Furthermore as I stated above:

56D500boy - 2019-01-22 1:20 AM
The "good news" is all of three of those starters use an 1473 219 Bendix drive and a 1843 285 armature. When I chase an 1843 285 (which looks like a 1958 model year PN) armature, I get a cross to an older part number, 1658 555 (which looks better, i.e. a 1956 part number). When I check the cross on a 1658 555 armature, it crosses to an Autolite MDF 2008, which is what I have in the Wilson 3410.

So I *could* conclude that, while there must be a difference between a 6 cylinder and V8 1956 Dodge starter, two of the main components (the armature and the Bendix drive) are the same.

If only I could find an nice working green tag MDF 6007 starter.

:(


The starter got an NORS MDF 2088 armature and new brushes and bushings yesterday (I pick it up this AM).

I would love to have an MDF 6007 if you know where one is.

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Posted 2019-01-23 1:38 PM (#577275 - in reply to #577268)
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56D500boy - 2019-01-23 10:38 AM
The starter got an NORS MDF 2088 armature and new brushes and bushings yesterday (I pick it up this AM).

I would love to have an MDF 6007 if you know where one is.


So he (Andy at Brighouse Auto Electric) installed the "new" MDF 2088 armature, bushings and brushes and cleaned (sandblasted) and painted the starter. He also removed the coils inside and re-soldered the connection to the positive cable stud. I talked to him about "6 cyl" vs "V8" starter and he agreed if both starters used the same armature and inertia Bendix, then mechanically they are the same. The difference might be in the mount, so different PN.

I quizzed Andy on the red oxide paint and he figured that it was "glyptal".

"Glyptal 1201 seals the rough interior castings of engine blocks to help prevent engine damage. Sealing the tiny pores left in metal after bead blasting leaves the engine block interior smooth and clean, and that helps keep oil clean and flowing freely."

I also got the old MDF 2088 armature back and I could immediately see where it had been rubbing/grinding/grounding due to the lack of spacers (or spacers that broken) - whatever. Fixed now.

Some photos (sized to 1024 x 768 = 11" wide on my screen ):



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Posted 2019-01-23 5:33 PM (#577289 - in reply to #577275)
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Put the starter back in. (That top 7/16" x 20 nut is still a pain. I tried to buy a curved 5/8" starter wrench and they aren't at my usual sources Lordco and Canadian Tire).

Put the honking hefty 12V power cable back on. (Wrapped the area with the "exposed" wiring with silicone "Rescue Tape"). Lowered the car (had the jack (and stand) under the driver's side frame).

Gave the throttle one pump. Hit the key. No starter hesitation. Va-ROOOM! It's A-LIIIVVE!!

Yippee.



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Posted 2019-01-23 11:27 PM (#577309 - in reply to #577181)
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Posted 2019-01-24 1:03 AM (#577316 - in reply to #577309)
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Powerflite - 2019-01-23 11:27 PM

Congratulations. Looks like your problem has been solved.


Yeh, hope-FULL-lee.

Now I'm back on my Torqueflite swap quest.

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Posted 2019-02-23 2:04 AM (#578545 - in reply to #577181)
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Here's a source for a good mini starter for your Dodge.

https://www.qualitypowerauto.com/catalog.php?item=600
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Posted 2019-02-23 11:43 AM (#578550 - in reply to #578545)
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Here's a source for a good mini starter for your Dodge.
https://www.qualitypowerauto.com/catalog.php?item=600


Thanks Glenn. I had a long email conversation with Kevin and/or Randy at Quality Power before I committed to having my existing starter redone. From what I understood, because of the long distance from the starter mounting face (at the adapter plate) to the flywheel teeth (1.5") with the inertia-type Bendix, they have to more or less special-make their mini starter for my 56 Dodge V8 application. Their price for that would be $US 335. Because I was able to buy a NOS armature for $CDN 45 and Andy at Brighouse only charged me one hour labour (CDN$ 120) for all the work, financially and OE-look-wise, I was better off to stick with keeping the OE type starter.

As I move forward with the A-466 iron pig torqueflite conversion, I will have to be less picky about staying OE-look (drive shaft will have to be changed).

When I get back from California, next week I will try to contact you to discuss "things".



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56D500boy
Posted 2019-03-15 3:03 PM (#579385 - in reply to #578550)
Subject: RE: An attempt at refurbing a 56 Dodge V8 starter



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Recently Hunter R. (56 Royal 500) acquired a very nice 56 Dodge D500. As a result, we have been sharing D500 stuff. One thing that Hunter shared with me was photos from a few years ago of another D500 (not his), a D500 Golden Lancer with a 3 x 2bbl intake and finned aluminum valve covers that was for sale in NY state when he was looking and now might be in Colorado (??). Anyway, in the photos he shared with me, there was a photo of a D500 starter (see below). I can't quite make out the numbers on the plate but at least now I can see where the plate should go on my starter. There is even one of the nail/rivets still there. I missed that before. Go figure.

I think that I can see 1658 033 for the part number and maybe MDF for the model number but I can't see any 6007 or the serial number. I am hoping that Hunter will be able to get me a photo of his stater plate so I can have one made for my starter. Then to find the nail/rivets.

Edited by 56D500boy 2019-03-15 3:07 PM




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56D500boy
Posted 2019-03-16 1:57 PM (#579432 - in reply to #579385)
Subject: RE: An attempt at refurbing a 56 Dodge V8 starter



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56D500boy - 2019-03-15 12:03 PM
I think that I can see 1658 033 for the part number and maybe MDF for the model number but I can't see any 6007 or the serial number. I am hoping that Hunter will be able to get me a photo of his stater plate so I can have one made for my starter. Then to find the nail/rivets.


Will these AC Delco rivets work? They seem too fat.

Cheap enough to try I guess: https://www.ecklers.com/classic-chevy/chevy-id-tag-rivet-set-delco-1...



Edited by 56D500boy 2019-03-16 1:58 PM
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