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How far gone before part-out and scrap for low prod car?
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jj94tt
Posted 2019-02-14 11:42 AM (#578208)
Subject: How far gone before part-out and scrap for low prod car?


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Hello everyone.

So, when talking about a low production count car... how far gone until it's time to part out and scrap?

I recently pulled a 300B from the woods in PA... bet you can guess what that was like. The frame was held together with frozen mud and the engine itself. But, it's still a B (dash, engine, drive train (powerflite), etc.... no air cleaner, though). Some of the badges are missing, but the stainless trim is there. It is rough... very rough.

I am considering stripping it and scraping the shell/frame. Is that a dumb idea? The VIN tag is missing, too... but the previous owner claims to have the correct VIN.

Just looking for opinions.

http://oi64.tinypic.com/2vdk6eg.jpg

Thanks.
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mikes2nd
Posted 2019-02-14 12:47 PM (#578209 - in reply to #578208)
Subject: Re: How far gone before part-out and scrap for low prod car?


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donor cars are not horrible... a coupe will cost you a bit more.


I would save a 300B... sweet cars. Frame is a cheap replace...
First step is to resolve the title, vin issue if it can be...

A car without a vin/title is near worthless endgame...
Does the engine turn?

a fair condition 300B is 33k per hagarty... so maybe 20k actually with a vin/title...
but it goes up steep... 125k for concourse
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jj94tt
Posted 2019-02-14 1:14 PM (#578211 - in reply to #578208)
Subject: Re: How far gone before part-out and scrap for low prod car?


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Haven't looked too closely at the engine yet. It sat with the hood down, so there is a chance it's not too bad.

I suppose saving just the 300 parts is not the same as saving the whole car - despite the fact the any new owner will not bother with an inch of the old body/frame. Different states have different rules about title transfers, but, in most cases, I guess and title can't represent a box of parts.

First thing is obtaining the title, then looking into reproduced VIN tags, if such a thing exists.
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Powerflite
Posted 2019-02-14 5:21 PM (#578216 - in reply to #578208)
Subject: Re: How far gone before part-out and scrap for low prod car?



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If you don't have the title, nor the VIN, you have no idea what the proper VIN is. The guy could be making it up. If he has the VIN plate stashed somewhere, then get it, and you should save the car. But the people that reproduce the VIN plates REFUSE to make any without a title to back it up. In the end, no VIN and no title = parts car. Doesn't matter if it is a DeSoto Adventurer convertible. It would still be a parts car.
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jj94tt
Posted 2019-02-14 7:40 PM (#578224 - in reply to #578208)
Subject: Re: How far gone before part-out and scrap for low prod car?


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This is all good information... thank you... but let's assume that I have the title but the car is missing the vin tag (this is the likely scenario, though, time will tell if it plays out that way). Is it still more valuable as a heap, than as a truck load of 300B parts.... I think that answer is yes.
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jboymechanic
Posted 2019-02-14 9:23 PM (#578227 - in reply to #578208)
Subject: Re: How far gone before part-out and scrap for low prod car?



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Looks pretty rough, would be tough to restore and make any money on it. However, as someone that has restored a '56 Imperial coupe, there aren't many buyers for the parts you would have should you decide to part it. In either case, I just hope that all that is usable is put to use and not just recycled as scrap steel.

By the way, looks like you had a hell of a time getting the car out of there, but I love the fact that you still hear stories like this one.
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2019-02-15 12:25 AM (#578231 - in reply to #578227)
Subject: Re: How far gone before part-out and scrap for low prod car?



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I had a similar condition 56 Adventurer years ago. It was a driver, but needed a
new body as a result of coastal salt fog. I found a good coupe for the swap and did
a lot of studying of details to ensure I built the car back correctly. I ultimately sold
the project in a thinning of the herd operation, but I would attack your 300 the same
way. Cars are generally a labor of love. If you base your interest on dollars, chances
are it will not work out. These were beautiful cars and fun to drive. I hope you see
this one through.
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slimwhitman
Posted 2019-02-18 11:57 AM (#578370 - in reply to #578208)
Subject: Re: How far gone before part-out and scrap for low prod car?



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I love where this thread could go. Couldn't someone take the vin from this car (if found) and 300 specific parts and swap them over to a nice New Yorker hardtop? Wouldn't that be the most cost effective "restoration"?

I would make a 300B wagon out of the 300 parts, if it was me.
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jj94tt
Posted 2019-02-18 12:30 PM (#578371 - in reply to #578370)
Subject: Re: How far gone before part-out and scrap for low prod car?


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slimwhitman - 2019-02-18 12:57 PM

I love where this thread could go. Couldn't someone take the vin from this car (if found) and 300 specific parts and swap them over to a nice New Yorker hardtop? Wouldn't that be the most cost effective "restoration"?

I would make a 300B wagon out of the 300 parts, if it was me. ;)


I'd like to make one of these: http://aws-cf.caradisiac.com/prod/mesimages/513683/1956_300-B%20chr...

But then it would have to be titled as a "collector car" in PA... rather than "antique"... which is a hassle. :/


Are far as your first question goes, with these frame and body cars... it's my belief that you can do that and it should be considered as a "restored original", as opposed to a "clone". My 2 cents. I wonder what others think.


Edited by jj94tt 2019-02-18 12:31 PM
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2019-02-20 9:13 PM (#578432 - in reply to #578371)
Subject: Re: How far gone before part-out and scrap for low prod car?



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As long as it's your car, do whatever the $#@ you want with it that makes you
happy. Where it all goes sideways is when you decide to sell it. Be true to your-
self, do what makes you happy, make a plan based on short and long term goals,
and execute. Fraud is bad. Don't go down that road if you don't want grief.
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Apollo 61
Posted 2019-02-21 12:59 AM (#578438 - in reply to #578432)
Subject: Re: How far gone before part-out and scrap for low prod car?



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If your interested in a New Yorker coupe body I know where this one is in Northern California?

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drosera88
Posted 2019-02-21 1:29 AM (#578439 - in reply to #578371)
Subject: Re: How far gone before part-out and scrap for low prod car?



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jj94tt - 2019-02-18 11:30 AM
slimwhitman - 2019-02-18 12:57 PM I love where this thread could go. Couldn't someone take the vin from this car (if found) and 300 specific parts and swap them over to a nice New Yorker hardtop? Wouldn't that be the most cost effective "restoration"? I would make a 300B wagon out of the 300 parts, if it was me. ;)
I'd like to make one of these: http://aws-cf.caradisiac.com/prod/mesimages/513683/1956_300-B%20chr... But then it would have to be titled as a "collector car" in PA... rather than "antique"... which is a hassle. :/ Are far as your first question goes, with these frame and body cars... it's my belief that you can do that and it should be considered as a "restored original", as opposed to a "clone". My 2 cents. I wonder what others think.

That would be an awesome restoration that would stand out. Normally I'd be against doing anything that isn't stock to a rare car like a letter car or Adventurer, but that right there is a pretty interesting direction to take the restoration. Even if it isn't the actual car, the paint job would be bringing a story back to life in a way. 

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