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macedon
Posted 2019-03-12 8:46 AM (#579229)
Subject: Dave's 58 Imperial 4 dr hdtp



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Bought a 58 Imperial. It's a base model 4 dr hdtp. However it's probably one the more highly optioned ones ever built.
Pwr seat, Pwr windows, Deluxe dual A/C, Auto-Pilot, Clock, Rear Shelf Speaker, Left remote mirror, optional hood ornament, Electro-touch radio w/pwr antenna, shaded backlight. That's all on the data tag. Also code 406... not sure what that is.

Runs and drives (yard drives, no brakes). Rough but not a lot of rust. I'll post some pictures when I get it cleaned up some. It's filthy.
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Posted 2019-03-12 9:05 AM (#579231 - in reply to #579229)
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Hey Dave, congrats! Sounds like a cool car. Let's see some pics!

406 = Accessory Package A (vanity mirror + day/night dash mounted rearview mirror + license plate frame)
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Posted 2019-03-14 9:27 PM (#579338 - in reply to #579229)
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macedon
Posted 2019-06-27 6:51 PM (#584143 - in reply to #579229)
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Haven't done a whole lot since getting it. Got some brakes. Replaced the busted passenger window. Now this surprised me... a lot. Just for grins I decided to see about the A/C. So I hooked up a vacuum and evacuated for about an hour. Shut off the pump and it held solid. Added a couple of cans of 134a and it actually works. I have no idea when it last did. Blows cold from the back and front. Amazing. What will be truly amazing is if it still does tomorrow. I won't be surprised if it leaks like a sieve.
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macedon
Posted 2019-06-28 3:48 PM (#584193 - in reply to #579229)
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Yeah this will keep me busy for a bit. So far every thing I've tried works except the emergency brake and the dimmer switch. 392 starts right up every time and runs smooth and quiet. I need to do a compression test still. I haven't driven it on the road so I don't know if the Auto-Pilot does in fact work.



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Posted 2019-06-29 12:58 AM (#584205 - in reply to #579229)
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Looks like a really solid car from the pictures you've posted. Congrats on a decent score. 

I'm surprised that the A/C held a charge of R-134a refrigerant and managed to actually work (for awhile). That was definitely an R-12 set-up and has the wrong o-rings and stuff to keep a 134a charge in.Still, it is encouraging to know the A/C can be made to work.

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Posted 2019-06-29 3:38 AM (#584206 - in reply to #579229)
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On my 57 when i restored it i put also R134 ( 15 years ago ?) but i removed the mineral oil compressor and put the correct oil (synthetic). The A/C blows cold but after one or two years a leak appeared at the sight glass and since i haven't replaced it. if I put back into operation today i 'll charge the system with Duracool, that's what i did in the '70 Ford, that works great (and with original oil).
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Posted 2019-06-29 10:17 AM (#584209 - in reply to #579229)
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That is a uniquely optioned Base model! Electric door locks and rear defogger are the only options I see missing.
On your dimmer switch, check your bulbs first. I've had them burned out more often than the switch.
Looks like a very solid body too, you did good getting this one. I can't wait to see more updates!
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macedon
Posted 2019-06-29 12:42 PM (#584215 - in reply to #579229)
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Yeah the body is very solid. There is some rust on the drivers floor not bad... 2 inch hole. Other than that really nice. I've got all the trim including the option hood ornament.

My sedan parts car has the pwr door locks... have to check and see if it has the rear defogger. Maybe I use them to give the 4dr hdtp an upgrade.



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Posted 2019-06-29 2:07 PM (#584218 - in reply to #579229)
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If you have dual A/C you can't have the rear defoger
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Posted 2019-06-29 4:03 PM (#584228 - in reply to #584218)
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Why is that? Compatibility issue or clearance? It looks like one could fit there. It does however look like there is no clearance for the rear speaker in the center hole. The side speaker holes are used for the A/C diffusers.

Different issue. Does anyone know of a source for the woven mat that goes on the package shelf?
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Posted 2019-06-29 4:20 PM (#584229 - in reply to #584218)
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Phil is right. Rear defogger would go in the same place as the large intake vent on dual A/C so it's an either or option same as the instant heat and A/C.
I got the defogger confused with rear center speaker which is possible with dual A/C



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macedon
Posted 2019-06-29 4:38 PM (#584230 - in reply to #584229)
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Ok, I guess I'm confused or just not getting it. I always thought this was the slot for the rear defogger. I see woven part of your's is like mine... touch it and it's dust



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KcImperial
Posted 2019-06-29 4:48 PM (#584231 - in reply to #579229)
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That is the slot for rear defogger. The interference would be top side trim of each. Plus, it would be counter-productive to have both as the rear a/c could defog the window if needed.
Yes, my woven mat is dust and that's on a car that's been garaged almost entirely since new. I never looked for a replacement source.
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Posted 2019-06-30 7:56 AM (#584247 - in reply to #579229)
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And don't lose that parking brake release knob and light, that's 1 year only, and specific to the cars that came with Autopilot.
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macedon
Posted 2019-06-30 10:15 AM (#584250 - in reply to #584247)
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Thanks. I'll definitely keep track of them during the restoration.



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Posted 2019-07-09 7:49 PM (#584636 - in reply to #584250)
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Floors, rockers and trunk solid with the exception of the drivers floor. A little work to do there but minor. Whew.



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Posted 2019-07-09 10:46 PM (#584639 - in reply to #579229)
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Nice metal! You still have that 1in black filler strip between the trunk extension and the quarter panel too
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Posted 2020-06-17 5:55 PM (#599794 - in reply to #579229)
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Almost done with the toilet seat. Bit more sanding yet. Hood is next



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Posted 2020-06-18 8:37 PM (#599835 - in reply to #579229)
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Deck lid had a few dings which needed some work. Hood was essentially perfect.



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Posted 2020-06-19 7:21 AM (#599842 - in reply to #579229)
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The Flitesweep rear deck lid is optional equipment too… it should have code 365 on the data tag…
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Posted 2020-06-19 8:38 AM (#599845 - in reply to #599842)
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Yes, you are correct.



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Posted 2020-06-19 9:05 AM (#599846 - in reply to #579229)
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Thanks for posting the picture.
Where did you see a code 406, as you stated above?
I think originally your A/C is single unit (because code 341), and not 342 as dual unit has
I see also code 307 that mean Power Door Locks
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Posted 2020-06-19 9:23 AM (#599847 - in reply to #579229)
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I guess if your car would be equipped with «Mirror Package A» - the code 406 would be here…
Just on the left of ?olumn code 467 – Solex Tinted Glass with Shaded Windshield





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macedon
Posted 2020-06-19 10:47 AM (#599848 - in reply to #579229)
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Oops. I might have posted the wrong tag. I'll check
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Posted 2020-06-19 12:05 PM (#599851 - in reply to #599848)
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Sorry about that. I had the tag from my sedan posted. The correct one is up there now.
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Posted 2020-06-19 1:01 PM (#599854 - in reply to #579229)
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614 = Imperial Custom Southampton 4door Hardtop
SCDL 0707 = Scheduled on July 07, 1958
ITM 351 = 51th car built that day
PNT XXX = Paint Ermine (originally White)
TRM 054 = Blue Diamond Glow Jacquard Cloth and Blue Vinyl

304 = Power Windows
303 = Power Seat 6 Way
365 = Flitesweep Rear Deck Lid
408 = Hood Ornament
342 = Heater and Air Conditioning – Dual Unit
402 = Left Outside Rear View Mirror with Remote Control (instead Conventional Mirror 401 below)
406 = Mirror Package «A» including: 401 = Left Outside Rear View Mirror, 404 = Prismatic Tilt Type Mirror, 405 = Visor Vanity Mirror
469 = Solex Tinted Glass and Large Shaded Rear Window

SRL 16759 = Serial Number LY1*16759
445 = Electro Touch Tuner Radio (including Power Antenna on Imperials)

You told that your car equipped with Rear Shelf Speaker option (code 327), but if you take a closer look it is not a code 327 – it is code F7.
Unfortunately I don’t have any info about it and about code C1 as well.
Can you post the picture of broadcast sheet? (Of course if you have it); It might be clear the situation…
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Posted 2020-06-19 1:12 PM (#599855 - in reply to #579229)
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This is ’58 Chrysler New Yorker 4door Hardtop (body code 554)
For confirming the code 327 actually looks like this:





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Posted 2020-06-19 1:22 PM (#599856 - in reply to #579229)
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Forgot to say (if you interested) – this 32x column might to mean also:

321 = Convertible Top Color – Black
322 = Convertible Top Color – Ivory
323 = Convertible Top Color – Blue
324 = Convertible Top Color – Green
327 = Rear Seat Speaker (Convertibles or Wagons could not have this option)
328 = Locked Luggage Compartment for Station Wagons
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macedon
Posted 2020-06-19 1:43 PM (#599857 - in reply to #579229)
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No sheet unfortunately.

It does have auto-pilot. Shouldn't that be 397?

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Posted 2020-06-19 4:22 PM (#599863 - in reply to #579229)
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It makes sense. Build sheet would confirm it anyway.
Have you any thoughts about C1?
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Posted 2020-06-19 4:52 PM (#599864 - in reply to #579229)
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Found Crown Sedan (body code 633) data tag with C2 option…
Could it be a «Market»?

611 = Domestic Market
612 = Export Market




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macedon
Posted 2020-06-19 5:26 PM (#599866 - in reply to #579229)
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Not sure what C1 stands for.

Here's a question. My dash has two blower switch knobs. The second one is left of the wheel where the antenna knob is on my sedan. I'm guessing the antenna gets activated with the radio on/off switch. I'll find out when I go through the wiring I suppose.



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Posted 2020-06-20 1:31 AM (#599885 - in reply to #599864)
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frwl - 2020-06-19 3:52 PM

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Found Crown Sedan (body code 633) data tag with C2 option…
Could it be a «Market»?

611 = Domestic Market
612 = Export Market

That's actually the trim tag of one of my 58's
Don't know if anyone has figured out the C1/C2 code
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Posted 2020-06-20 1:49 AM (#599886 - in reply to #599885)
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KcImperial - 2020-06-20 7:31 AM
That's actually the trim tag of one of my 58's
Don't know if anyone has figured out the C1/C2 code

I haven't. Mine was "none" despite being an export. Not all have C1 or C2 (many have nothing under the letters).
I have tags showing: A0, A9, C1, C2, F7.
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Posted 2020-06-20 4:11 AM (#599887 - in reply to #579229)
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I guess the letter «A» means optional rear axle ratio (A0 = 550 = 3,15 to 1 and A9 = 559)
Maybe the letter «C» means optional generator or something else…
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Posted 2020-06-23 10:30 PM (#600071 - in reply to #579229)
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Third and hopefully final block sanding. Should be ready to shoot the Ermine base coat later this week.



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Posted 2020-07-02 7:31 PM (#600438 - in reply to #579229)
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Hood, decklid, fenders (inner and outer) and a few other bits done. I used the Eastwood Dead Rat Flat Black for the blackout areas. I think it's a good match and I like the name. Doors next.



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Posted 2020-07-14 11:50 AM (#600858 - in reply to #579229)
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Decklid Emblem



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Posted 2020-07-14 5:44 PM (#600888 - in reply to #579229)
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Posted 2020-07-14 11:19 PM (#600902 - in reply to #600888)
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Yes sir, "Finest Expression of the Forward Look" indeed! Nice job, Dave!
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