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matt
Posted 2019-03-30 3:36 PM (#580139)
Subject: Decode a Dodge Custom Royal 1959


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Can anyone help me. Its a 2dr that’s for sale and i have looked at it.
No D500 badges but a m383 engine.



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56D500boy
Posted 2019-03-30 3:46 PM (#580140 - in reply to #580139)
Subject: RE: Decode a Dodge Custom Royal 1959



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matt - 2019-03-30 12:36 PM

Can anyone help me. Its a 2dr that’s for sale and i have looked at it.
No D500 badges but a m383 engine.


Can you tell that it's a 383 and not a 361? (i.e. can you see the raised block of the 383?) Even it if it is a 383, there is nothing to have prevented someone in the past from swapping a D500 383 into a non-D500 361 car (for any reason).





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matt
Posted 2019-03-30 4:10 PM (#580143 - in reply to #580139)
Subject: Re: Decode a Dodge Custom Royal 1959


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On the Engine under the distributor it´s stamped m383 and of course the engine could have been swapped att some time.
Which plant is it build in?
I´ve looked att some treads about decoding Dodge 1959 but that kind of data plate i havent seen.
The data plate was om the drivers side

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56D500boy
Posted 2019-03-30 6:18 PM (#580147 - in reply to #580143)
Subject: Re: Decode a Dodge Custom Royal 1959



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From Allpar:

"For 1959 only in this series, “M” was the first digit for the model year, followed by the brand (1 = Plymouth Six, 2 = Plymouth V8, 3 = Dodge, 4 = DeSoto, 5 = Chrysler, 6 = Imperial, 7 = Dodge Canada). The third digit was the series (see below) and the fourth digit was the plant, using the codes shown in 1960-65; the rest were the sequence number.

0 = Coronet Six
1 = Coronet V8, Firesweep, Windsor, Imperial
3 = Savoy, Royal, Firedome, Saratoga, Crown, Regent (Canada)
5 = Belvedere, Custom Royal, Fireflite, New Yorker, LeBaron, Mayfair (Canada)
6 = Fury, Dodge/DeSoto 6 Taxi, Viscount (Canada)
7 = Suburban (Plymouth, Dodge, DeSoto, and Chrysler wagon)
8 = Plymouth Taxi, Dodge/DeSoto V8 taxi
9 = Sport Fury, D500, DeSoto Adventurer, Chrysler 300

Plants:

For 1959, plant codes were somewhat different from 1960-65: 1 = Jefferson Ave, 2 = Dodge Main, 3 = Evansville, 4 = Los Angeles, 5 = Newark, 6 = Lynch Road, 7 = Imperial, 8 = St. Louis

Using Serge's Broadcast sheet with his M352 112084 VIN as a guide, we could say that it is a 1959(M) Dodge (3) Custom Royal (5) made at the Dodge Main plant (2) in Detroit.

I think a real 1959 Dodge D500 would be M392 or M39?




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matt
Posted 2019-03-31 8:17 AM (#580168 - in reply to #580139)
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Where will M293 been seen? On the broadcast sheet?
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56D500boy
Posted 2019-03-31 10:41 AM (#580172 - in reply to #580168)
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matt - 2019-03-31 5:17 AM

Where will M293 been seen? On the broadcast sheet?


Umm.....M293 = a 1959 Plymouth Fury built in Evansville (??!!)

The location on the sheet should be where the M352 112084 is on Serge's sheet posted above

But why are you talking M293??? The cowl tag says M355 102034 = 1958 Dodge Custom Royal built in Newark??



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matt
Posted 2019-03-31 11:27 AM (#580178 - in reply to #580139)
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Oh sorry. Ment m392 as you wrote above.
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ronbo97
Posted 2019-03-31 12:11 PM (#580182 - in reply to #580172)
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56D500boy - 2019-03-31 10:41 AM
matt - 2019-03-31 5:17 AM Where will M293 been seen? On the broadcast sheet?
Umm.....M293 = a 1959 Plymouth Fury built in Evansville (??!!) The location on the sheet should be where the M352 112084 is on Serge's sheet posted above But why are you talking M293??? The cowl tag says M355 102034 = 1958 Dodge Custom Royal built in Newark??

Um...no. Check your facts, 56D500boy.

The car is a 59 Dodge CRL 2dr HT, built in Newark, DE. That's why the plate is located on driver's side, not passenger side.

277 Trim - Tan Custom Royal interior. WU4 paint is Mocha/Bisquit (aka two tone tan). Bisquit was famous for fading to a light pink color.

Options can be cross-referenced, in this case, from the build sheet: 293 - Torqueflite 419- Sweep moulding, 429 - Roof rail moulding 301 - power steering.

Ron

 

 

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matt
Posted 2019-03-31 1:19 PM (#580188 - in reply to #580139)
Subject: Re: Decode a Dodge Custom Royal 1959


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Thank you Ron. I need the built sheet to see if its a original D500. On the LA built cars its a 3 under M4? I’m i right?
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ronbo97
Posted 2019-03-31 2:15 PM (#580193 - in reply to #580188)
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My guess would be that it is not. Problem is that FCA won't send you a build sheet unless you own the car.

If you post a couple of photos, we may be able to find some clues.

Ron

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56D500boy
Posted 2019-03-31 4:32 PM (#580199 - in reply to #580182)
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ronbo97 - 2019-03-31 9:11 AM
Um...no. Check your facts, 56D500boy.


Sorry Ron I did have the "facts". It was Matt who posted:

matt - 2019-03-31 5:17 AM

Where will M293 been seen? On the broadcast sheet?



Then, after I had left the house to check out a swap meet, Matt posted again:

matt - 2019-03-31 8:27 AM
Oh sorry. Ment m392 as you wrote above.


Ummm....So what a difference the correct info means. LOL.

M = 1959
3 = Dodge
9 = D500
2 = Dodge Main plant

Is that "FACTS" enough for you???

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ronbo97
Posted 2019-03-31 4:54 PM (#580203 - in reply to #580199)
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56D500boy - 2019-03-31 4:32 PM
ronbo97 - 2019-03-31 9:11 AM Um...no. Check your facts, 56D500boy.
Sorry Ron I did have the "facts". . M = 1959 3 = Dodge 9 = D500 2 = Dodge Main plant Is that "FACTS" enough for you???

D500 was not coded in VIN. I was coded on the data plate. You need to do your homework.

M355xxxxxx: M - 1959 3 - Dodge 5 - Custom Royal 5 - Newark, DE plant. The rest is the build sequence number. Buy a factory parts book. Educate yourself.

Ron

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56D500boy
Posted 2019-03-31 6:13 PM (#580204 - in reply to #580203)
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ronbo97 - 2019-03-31 1:54 PM D500 was not coded in VIN. I was coded on the data plate. You need to do your homework.

M355xxxxxx: M - 1959 3 - Dodge 5 - Custom Royal 5 - Newark, DE plant. The rest is the build sequence number. Buy a factory parts book. Educate yourself.



Hey RON. Back the F off on the "homework" thing. (please) . Matt has given us two different VINs 1). A verbal M392 and 2) A visual M355. I don't know why he's giving us two and I don't know which one is regarding the car in question.

BTW: I already interpreted the M355 as 58 Dodge Custom Royal built in Newark (see one of my posts from yesterday).

I didn't make the "9" = D500 up out of thin air. I got it from the allpar decoding section that I quoted 100% above.

Here is the link: https://www.allpar.com/mopar/vin-decoder.html

Okay?



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ronbo97
Posted 2019-03-31 6:51 PM (#580207 - in reply to #580204)
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56D500boy - 2019-03-31 6:13 PM  Hey RON. Back the F off on the "homework" thing. (please) . Matt has given us two different VINs 1). A verbal M392 and 2) A visual M355. I don't know why he's giving us two and I don't know which one is regarding the car in question. BTW: I've interpreted the M355 as 58 Dodge Custom Royal built in Newark (see one of my posts from yesterday). I didn't make the "9" = D500 up out of thin air. I got it from the allpar decoding section that I quoted 100% above. Here is the link: https://www.allpar.com/mopar/vin-decoder.html Okay? :)

No, Dude. You need to educate yourself instead of spouting off like you're the last word on all things Forward Look. There is only one VIN in question: The one on the data plate seen in the original post. 293 is the code for Torqueflite tranny. And if you believe everything on Allpar, then you're showing your ignorance. Lots of mistakes there. I take my information from original sources. You should, too.

BTW, there are exactly zero 59 Dodge serial numbers that begin with M392. If you did your research, you would know that.

Ron

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56D500boy
Posted 2019-03-31 7:54 PM (#580209 - in reply to #580207)
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First all Matt said M392, NOT ME

matt - 2019-03-31 8:27 AM
Oh sorry. Meant m392 as you wrote above.


Second of all, I don't claim to know ANYTHING, let alone 1959 stuff. I am learning. I just found what seemed to be good decoding info at allpar. I understood that allpar was written by knowledgeable trustworthy people, e.g. Bill Watson (Chrycoman) who seems to know a lot about VINs etc. That said, I don't see who wrote the allpar decoding section that I quoted and linked to.

You guys who do seem to know things (e.g. apparently you and LD3Greg as two examples) need to organize the cowl tag info and post it up to the Forum so uninformed unedumacated folks like myself can refer to it as the gospel rather than searching for something on the internet and/or relying on the black magic that seems to associated with many of the cowl tag and IBM card interpretations.

I am trying to do that (document stuff) for the 56 Dodges starting with threads on body codes, paint codes and trim codes, for example. I don't see anybody doing the equivalent for the other years (or makes). Somebody should.

Just sayin'.



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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2019-03-31 9:26 PM (#580213 - in reply to #580209)
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56D500boy - 2019-03-31 7:54 PM

First all Matt said M392, NOT ME

matt - 2019-03-31 8:27 AM
Oh sorry. Meant m392 as you wrote above.


Second of all, I don't claim to know ANYTHING, let alone 1959 stuff. I am learning. I just found what seemed to be good decoding info at allpar. I understood that allpar was written by knowledgeable trustworthy people, e.g. Bill Watson (Chrycoman) who seems to know a lot about VINs etc. That said, I don't see who wrote the allpar decoding section that I quoted and linked to.

You guys who do seem to know things (e.g. apparently you and LD3Greg as two examples) need to organize the cowl tag info and post it up to the Forum so uninformed unedumacated folks like myself can refer to it as the gospel rather than searching for something on the internet and/or relying on the black magic that seems to associated with many of the cowl tag and IBM card interpretations.

I am trying to do that (document stuff) for the 56 Dodges starting with threads on body codes, paint codes and trim codes, for example. I don't see anybody doing the equivalent for the other years (or makes). Somebody should.

Just sayin'.

:)



Amen !


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ronbo97
Posted 2019-03-31 10:27 PM (#580215 - in reply to #580209)
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56D500boy - 2019-03-31 7:54 PM  Second of all, I don't claim to know ANYTHING, let alone 1959 stuff.

Then why jump in and supply mis-information, or information you haven't personally verified as being true ? I wouldn't comment about any car that I haven't researched For years. That may be a good philosophy to follow. Just sayin'.

Ron

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56D500boy
Posted 2019-03-31 10:56 PM (#580217 - in reply to #580215)
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ronbo97 - 2019-03-31 7:27 PM

56D500boy - 2019-03-31 7:54 PM  Second of all, I don't claim to know ANYTHING, let alone 1959 stuff.

Then why jump in and supply mis-information, or information you haven't personally verified as being true ? I wouldn't comment about any car that I haven't researched For years. That may be a good philosophy to follow. Just sayin'.



I jumped in because nobody was responding to Matt's post and I wanted to get the conversation going. It took you almost 10 hours to get in on the thread.

I will shut up but only if and when you post a cowl tag from a verified 1959 Dodge D500, with additional proof that it is a D500.

Until then I will believe allpar and its "9" = D500 (or Fury), in the absense of irrefutable contractory evidence. Otherwise your info is just an opinion.



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Posted 2019-04-01 12:19 AM (#580220 - in reply to #580213)
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56D500boy - 2019-03-31 7:54 PM

First all Matt said M392, NOT ME

matt - 2019-03-31 8:27 AM
Oh sorry. Meant m392 as you wrote above.


Second of all, I don't claim to know ANYTHING, let alone 1959 stuff. I am learning. I just found what seemed to be good decoding info at allpar. I understood that allpar was written by knowledgeable trustworthy people, e.g. Bill Watson (Chrycoman) who seems to know a lot about VINs etc. That said, I don't see who wrote the allpar decoding section that I quoted and linked to.

You guys who do seem to know things (e.g. apparently you and LD3Greg as two examples) need to organize the cowl tag info and post it up to the Forum so uninformed unedumacated folks like myself can refer to it as the gospel rather than searching for something on the internet and/or relying on the black magic that seems to associated with many of the cowl tag and IBM card interpretations.

I am trying to do that (document stuff) for the 56 Dodges starting with threads on body codes, paint codes and trim codes, for example. I don't see anybody doing the equivalent for the other years (or makes). Somebody should.

Just sayin'.

:)



Amen !



Hey Kurt!!
Why are you slamming myself and Ron in favour of this jerk?!
I can look back on many co operative discussions we have had in the past. I always regarded our interactions as being mutually beneficial. I never meant to hold back any info and Ron would always be my go-to-guy for anything 59 Dodge. I am puzzled by your response!

Greg
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56D500boy
Posted 2019-04-01 1:58 AM (#580224 - in reply to #580220)
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LD3 Greg - 2019-03-31 9:19 PM

Why are you slamming myself and Ron in favour of this jerk?!


I'm sure Kurt is not slamming your knowledge. Neither am I. I'm sure that you both know loads of stuff and I admire you for that.

My point, which might be what Kurt said "Amen" to, is without documentation of this information, when you pass (heaven forbid), the information that you have passes with you. An example is D500Neil (Neil Vedder).

I wasn't on the forum when Neil was alive and since he has gone, all that information and answers to D500 questions that I have had and still have is gone too (with the exception of info that you (Greg) and he shared). But if you don't document this knowledge in threads on the forum, then we as forum members are doomed to lose your combined knowledge.

Our cars are not like 55-56-57 Chevies that have had sooooooo much written and documented about them. They are virtual bas***d children that nobody outside our small forum wants to know about or help. We, as the owners, have to share the knowledge that we have in order to keep our cars running and available for the next owners/caretakers.

That is my point. If that makes me a jerk, then I guess I'm a passionate jerk who wants to document and share knowledge about our 55-61 Mopars.



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matt
Posted 2019-04-01 7:10 AM (#580232 - in reply to #580193)
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ronbo97 - 2019-03-31 2:15 PM

My guess would be that it is not. Problem is that FCA won't send you a build sheet unless you own the car.

If you post a couple of photos, we may be able to find some clues.

Ron



I didn´t take any more pics of the engine but it had red valve covers.

For me it´s not so important if it´s a real D500 if i buy it or not i was just curious if that was a way to see it in the data tag like on an LA built car.
If a buy it more pics will come. Swivel seats where in the car.

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Posted 2019-04-01 5:59 PM (#580263 - in reply to #580217)
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56D500boy - 2019-03-31 10:56 PM 

 I jumped in because nobody was responding to Matt's post and I wanted to get the conversation going. It took you almost 10 hours to get in on the thread. I will shut up but only if and when you post a cowl tag from a verified 1959 Dodge D500, with additional proof that it is a D500. Until then I will believe allpar and its "9" = D500 (or Fury), in the absense of irrefutable contractory evidence. Otherwise your info is just an opinion.

Maybe because I have a life ??? Also, you can believe anything you want. Maybe you can join the Flat Earth Society while you're at it. Just sayin'.

Ron

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Posted 2019-04-01 9:57 PM (#580269 - in reply to #580220)
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LD3 Greg - 2019-04-01 12:19 AM

58DeSoDodge59 - 2019-03-31 9:26 PM

56D500boy - 2019-03-31 7:54 PM

First all Matt said M392, NOT ME

matt - 2019-03-31 8:27 AM
Oh sorry. Meant m392 as you wrote above.


Second of all, I don't claim to know ANYTHING, let alone 1959 stuff. I am learning. I just found what seemed to be good decoding info at allpar. I understood that allpar was written by knowledgeable trustworthy people, e.g. Bill Watson (Chrycoman) who seems to know a lot about VINs etc. That said, I don't see who wrote the allpar decoding section that I quoted and linked to.

You guys who do seem to know things (e.g. apparently you and LD3Greg as two examples) need to organize the cowl tag info and post it up to the Forum so uninformed unedumacated folks like myself can refer to it as the gospel rather than searching for something on the internet and/or relying on the black magic that seems to associated with many of the cowl tag and IBM card interpretations.

I am trying to do that (document stuff) for the 56 Dodges starting with threads on body codes, paint codes and trim codes, for example. I don't see anybody doing the equivalent for the other years (or makes). Somebody should.

Just sayin'.

:)



Amen !



Hey Kurt!!
Why are you slamming myself and Ron in favour of this jerk?!
I can look back on many co operative discussions we have had in the past. I always regarded our interactions as being mutually beneficial. I never meant to hold back any info and Ron would always be my go-to-guy for anything 59 Dodge. I am puzzled by your response!

Greg



I was saying Amen to the fact that you guys have a lot of information, and I wish it was written down somewhere where we could view it at any time.
Sometimes it is hard to type something on the computer and have it read the same way that you intended.
I don't know Dave, but it sounded like he was just trying to help. That said, I have a rule that if I am not an expert on a given
subject, I will wait 24 hours to respond with my two cents.
I appreciate all of you guys. Bill, Greg, Ron, Dave, Brent, and yes, I too miss Neil.
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LD3 Greg
Posted 2019-04-10 12:55 AM (#580653 - in reply to #580269)
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Kurt,
We, or at least I, don't have gobs of info written down in any sort of organized form. I do have many years of hands-on research/resto experience that I will share when asked to do so. You already know that!! Check out my "forwardlook art gallery thread". I, too, do not communicate well with computers etc. When I see a topic where I think I can help, I respond. Otherwise I don't.

Greg
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Thanks Greg. Just keep doing what you're doing. I enjoyed your thread very much. I'm glad that there is someone
else out there that looks for the original factory hand markings on our cars. I have found some good ones on my recent cars.


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Posted 2019-04-20 4:29 AM (#581170 - in reply to #580934)
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I do have the bulk of the work I am digging into on paper and on disk. That way I have back ups in case one or the other gets lost or destroyed. Have been working on the sales codes for 1957 and up. There a few holes but with the information that comes into this forum the holes are being filled.

And I appreciate members sending in copies of their IBM cards. Been able to sort out a lot of information with those cards.

Thanks to Dave I do have some information on 1956 Dodges and to Greg for the information on 1958 Chrysler, Imperial and DeSoto.

When I get this all sorted out, I will be passing it along to the group. No idea how to do it, but I will worry about that when I get there. Hopefully some accurate production figures, too. Also have specs for cars going back to 1946, and for some years before WW II. American and Canadian.

Anyone looking for part numbers, I have Canadian Chrysler parts catalogues from the 1933 Master Lists through 1975 (except for 1946-48, 1969-71). The Canadian edition also has US parts and for export (to 1960's, except 1955).

I'm another who tries to keep up with the goings on in the forum, and will respond when problems arise and I can help.

Some excellent information is exchanged on this forum and there are many great people who contribute and share.






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Posted 2019-04-21 4:15 AM (#581201 - in reply to #581170)
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Chrycoman - 2019-04-20 10:29 . . . . . will respond when problems arise and I can help

You kindly promised to check my updated CAR PRODUCTION BROADCAST I sent to you. Even after a friendly reminder and your confirmation, no response any more one year ago.

. . .  and you have been recommended by another member . . .

I created an extensive and comprehensive sheet for decoding 1959 DODGEs (similar shown here by 56D500boy), but I start hesitate to publish valuable informations here

due to unanswered requests as this case here.  - SERGE -  :(

 



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Posted 2019-04-21 10:52 AM (#581207 - in reply to #581201)
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Maybe this will help. Very poor quality photo but here is a 59 Dodge D500 example sent to me from Neil years ago. Power plants code 373. I have no idea how or where this would be coded on the body plate!

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56D500boy
Posted 2019-04-21 11:21 AM (#581208 - in reply to #581201)
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Serge: Everything in this section (Fender/Vin Tag/Broadcast Sheet Decoding) of the forum is done on a purely volunteer basis. *IF* you had paid money to Bill (Chrycoman) and he hasn't come through, that is one thing (you could be upset) *BUT* you haven't paid him anything. So Bill will help you if/when he wants/has time to. Based on your rant, that didn't provide him any incentive. Probably the opposite.

That said, in the spirit of voluteering and sharing, here is some 59 Dodge info that might help you (or not) (last item is an image of your car's broadcast sheet that you must have posted):



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sermey
Posted 2019-04-21 1:31 PM (#581211 - in reply to #581208)
Subject: RE: 59 Dodge IBM card and Broadcast sheet examples


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56D500boy - 2019-04-21 5:21 PM Serge: Everything in this section (Fender/Vin Tag/Broadcast Sheet Decoding) of the forum is done on a purely volunteer basis. *IF* you had paid money to Bill (Chrycoman) and he hasn't come through, that is one thing (you could be upset) *BUT* you haven't paid him anything. So Bill will help you if/when he wants/has time to. Based on your rant, that didn't provide him any incentive. Probably the opposite. That said, in the spirit of voluteering and sharing, here is some 59 Dodge info that might help you (or not) (last item is an image of your car's broadcast sheet that you must have posted):

Of course Dave, all in this forum is done on a purely "volunteer" basis. Nobody talk about money. But when affirmed "have all back to you this weekend", should expect some return or simply disclaim.
Then now again: "will respond when problems arise and I can help." This is a friendly support by Chrycoman when finally performed.

I always instantly answered and supported you (Dave) as well in direct addressed problems - nothing than a matter of integrity.--

The (Clean59DodgeBroadcastSheet_large.jpg) you show here from my thread is not large, has low resolution of (250x175mm/72dpi) and cannot simply be resized by zooming.
The Original and the Repro have 1200dpi, the Photoshop-File with all layers (.psd) 694MB, good for cleaning and high quality prints.

Neil Wedder stated 25/05/2015: "such a manipulation is like counterfeiting the IBM card", further: "but, it is 'good' to know that such manipulation is possible!"

Good that most people don't know what is possible today! - SERGE -

 

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56D500boy
Posted 2019-04-21 4:34 PM (#581217 - in reply to #581211)
Subject: RE: 59 Dodge IBM card and Broadcast sheet examples



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sermey - 2019-04-21 10:31 AM The (Clean59DodgeBroadcastSheet_large.jpg) you show here from my thread is not large, has low resolution of (250x175mm/72dpi) and cannot simply be resized by zooming. The Original and the Repro have 1200dpi, the Photoshop-File with all layers (.psd) 694MB, good for cleaning and high quality prints. Neil Vedder stated 25/05/2015: "such a manipulation is like counterfeiting the IBM card", further: "but, it is 'good' to know that such manipulation is possible!" Good that most people don't know what is possible today! - SERGE -


If it was you that I "borrowed" the image of the 59 Broadcast sheet from, then "Thank you". I just re-posted it as an example of what a clean broadcast sheet. The fact that you have (or created) a 649 Mb version is great. It just doesn't help folks here unless you want to start offering a service ("free" or otherwise) to reproduce their (owners of 1959 Dodges) tattered and water stained broadcast sheets.

The "larger" version of "your" 59 broadcast sheet that I filled out using PAINT, was just done to show the correlation of the annotated IBM card that I did for the owner of M352 101713 and the broadcast sheet (as confirmed by their tattered and water-stained broadcast sheet).

The main point for me is that in almost every example, we still don't know how the broadcast sheet/IBM card information translates onto the body plate that was attached to the car. This is the part that bugs the h3LL out of me.

Live and learn, too soon old, too late smart.

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ronbo97
Posted 2019-04-21 10:43 PM (#581223 - in reply to #581217)
Subject: RE: 59 Dodge IBM card and Broadcast sheet examples


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The answer is, that the build sheet doesn't translate directly to the data plate. Why ? Dunno. For example, position 34 is used for identifying the color of the convertible top. But if your car is not a convert, it is used for another reason. Also position 37 is not used to identify D500/Super D500. It's another position.

NOTE: This applies only to Detroit built cars.

Ron



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sermey
Posted 2019-04-22 4:28 AM (#581226 - in reply to #581217)
Subject: RE: 59 Dodge IBM card and Broadcast sheet examples


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56D500boy - 2019-04-21 10:34 PM
sermey - 2019-04-21 10:31 "It just doesn't help folks here unless you want to start offering a service" 

Not to help folks here, but to show how I can be done: primitive, simple, thus comprehensive, not always the best way, but with some creativity and innovation. Last cannot be learned, some are talented, others not. Then thinking often: "Father, forgive them, for they don't know what they do." (Lk 23,34)

Thus, nothing is great what I show here, as everyone can do it without high school. And this is fascinating. All is free to use, anywhere without any restriction. Unfortunately the limitation is given by the maximum upload file size of 250k. Nice to see sometimes when people use it, as you do too.

- SERGE -  :)  

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LD3 Greg
Posted 2019-04-23 12:14 AM (#581235 - in reply to #581211)
Subject: RE: 59 Dodge IBM card and Broadcast sheet examples


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sermey - 2019-04-21 1:31 PMb Neil Wedder stated 25/05/2015: "such a manipulation is like counterfeiting the IBM card", further: "but, it is 'good' to know that such manipulation is possible!"

Good that most people don't know what is possible today! - SERGE -

 



Neil, myself and I think Ron as well always had the opinion --- go ahead. Manipulate whatever you want but you cannot distort the history of the car and the previous owners statements. Whenever the entire package gets put together in any case of manipulation, the red flags will appear!!

More than anything else, Neil was putting together these histories! His notes etc. WILL show up before too long and everyone will be shocked by the extent of his work. I know because I already have some of it!!

Greg
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