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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2019-04-28 1:40 PM (#581446)
Subject: 1957 Dodge Sierra D-500



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Can someone decode this for me? Appears to definitely be a genuine D-500 just based on how long the engine has been in there and the presence of front and rear sway bars. Just got it home today. Thanks.



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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2019-04-28 3:02 PM (#581449 - in reply to #581446)
Subject: RE: 1957 Dodge Sierra D-500



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Engine number. The sequence after the D500 prefix is just which number it was built right? As in 12,944 D500 built?



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56D500boy
Posted 2019-04-28 3:52 PM (#581451 - in reply to #581449)
Subject: RE: 1957 Dodge Sierra D-500



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The Chrysler Kid - 2019-04-28 10:40 AM
Can someone decode this for me? Appears to definitely be a genuine D-500 just based on how long the engine has been in there and the presence of front and rear sway bars. Just got it home today. Thanks.



The Chrysler Kid - 2019-04-28 12:02 PM
Engine number. The sequence after the D500 prefix is just which number it was built right? As in 12,944 D500 built?


Could you clean off the body plate a bit so the numbers and letters show up better. Hard to see what is there.

If you have the title, you need to contact FCA Historical and get a copy of the IBM card. That is where the real info lies. And/or find the broadcast sheet (taped above the glove box ??)

Example 57 Dodge stuff here: http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=71201&...

Scrape a bit more grime off the engine number to hopefully reveal a "K" as is "KD500". They probably started the first 325 cu in D500 hemis at KD500-1001.



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(57DodgeD500SierraWagonBodyPlate_Left.jpg)



(57DodgeD500SierraWagonBodyPlate_Middle.jpg)



(57DodgeD500SierraWagonBodyPlate_Right.jpg)



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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2019-04-28 4:04 PM (#581452 - in reply to #581446)
Subject: RE: 1957 Dodge Sierra D-500



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Here’s a few more, I wiped it down a bit better.



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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2019-04-28 4:16 PM (#581453 - in reply to #581452)
Subject: Re: 1957 Dodge Sierra D-500



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So upon looking at some previous threads body code 25xx would identify it as being a true D500? So this cars body code being 2568 would confirm it, no? Also any idea how many were build? A previous thread stated 10% of total '57 Dodge production. I would say this would be disproportionally in favor of Custom Royals and Coronets, so would it be fair to say approximately 3-4% of Custom Sierra/Sierra/Suburban production? Also the interior material and door panels are quite different from our other Sierra was there an interior option similar to the Custom Coronet interior upgrade, but for wagons? Seems to be well optioned for a non Custom Sierra. Also was the HD suspension (sway bars, bigger brakes) a separate option or included on all D-500s? Any info is appreciated.

Randy

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56D500boy
Posted 2019-04-28 4:26 PM (#581454 - in reply to #581453)
Subject: Re: 1957 Dodge Sierra D-500



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You might be right about 25nn = D500 (or not). Most of (but not all of) the 57 Dodge body plate images that I have collected that were supposedly from D500s have 25nn, including yours (but there is one 21nn). The only thing that I have learned for sure (maybe) is 293 on the body tag = Torqueflite. You really need to contact FCA historical and get a copy of the IBM card or find the Broadcast sheet.

Your body plate (much better photo thanks) (and then others):



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(57DodgeD500SierraWagonBodyPlate_Complete.jpg)



(57CoronetSupposedlySuperD5002x4bbl2drSedan_small.jpg)



(57Dodge4drD500WagonCowlTag.jpg)



(57DodgeD5004drHardtopWhiteGoldWhiteBuildTag_small.jpg)



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Finsinthemirror
Posted 2019-05-01 2:09 PM (#581634 - in reply to #581453)
Subject: Re: 1957 Dodge Sierra D-500



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From the many conversations I had with Neil on D500 cars I can tell you for sure that the D500 designation ONLY applied to the drivetrain. It was not a package like what the Fury/Adventurer/300 got. If you had a CRL with the D500 motor then you had a stock cushy CRL with a hemi, no other supporting alterations were part of it i.e. suspension, rear end, brakes, etc.
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LD3 Greg
Posted 2019-05-01 11:43 PM (#581657 - in reply to #581634)
Subject: Re: 1957 Dodge Sierra D-500


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Finsinthemirror - 2019-05-01 2:09 PM

From the many conversations I had with Neil on D500 cars I can tell you for sure that the D500 designation ONLY applied to the drivetrain. It was not a package like what the Fury/Adventurer/300 got. If you had a CRL with the D500 motor then you had a stock cushy CRL with a hemi, no other supporting alterations were part of it i.e. suspension, rear end, brakes, etc.


Correct!
In addition, the second digit "5" indicated an optional engine with standard suspension and chassis equipment for that particular model. The engine options were D500 or Super D.

If HD chassis equipment was factory installed I would expect the second digit to be 6 or at least anything but 5. Sure would be nice to see the punch card for this car.

Greg
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LD3 Greg
Posted 2019-05-03 12:09 AM (#581706 - in reply to #581453)
Subject: Re: 1957 Dodge Sierra D-500


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The Chrysler Kid - 2019-04-28 4:16 PM

So upon looking at some previous threads body code 25xx would identify it as being a true D500? So this cars body code being 2568 would confirm it, no? Also any idea how many were build? A previous thread stated 10% of total '57 Dodge production. I would say this would be disproportionally in favor of Custom Royals and Coronets, so would it be fair to say approximately 3-4% of Custom Sierra/Sierra/Suburban production? Also the interior material and door panels are quite different from our other Sierra was there an interior option similar to the Custom Coronet interior upgrade, but for wagons? Seems to be well optioned for a non Custom Sierra. Also was the HD suspension (sway bars, bigger brakes) a separate option or included on all D-500s? Any info is appreciated.

Randy


Check out my recent posts re D500 production. Not sure about interiors but Custom Coronets would have had the trim code upgraded to a 2XX Maybe the same for wagons ??

Greg
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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2019-05-08 8:40 PM (#581955 - in reply to #581657)
Subject: Re: 1957 Dodge Sierra D-500



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LD3 Greg - 2019-05-01 11:43 PM

Finsinthemirror - 2019-05-01 2:09 PM

From the many conversations I had with Neil on D500 cars I can tell you for sure that the D500 designation ONLY applied to the drivetrain. It was not a package like what the Fury/Adventurer/300 got. If you had a CRL with the D500 motor then you had a stock cushy CRL with a hemi, no other supporting alterations were part of it i.e. suspension, rear end, brakes, etc.


Correct!
In addition, the second digit "5" indicated an optional engine with standard suspension and chassis equipment for that particular model. The engine options were D500 or Super D.

If HD chassis equipment was factory installed I would expect the second digit to be 6 or at least anything but 5. Sure would be nice to see the punch card for this car.

Greg


I'll gets some photos of the sway bars and maybe someone can confirm that they are factory correct pieces?
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Finsinthemirror
Posted 2019-05-08 8:55 PM (#581957 - in reply to #581955)
Subject: Re: 1957 Dodge Sierra D-500



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The real problem is that 1. unless you get a car from the original owner who knows the complete back history of the car it becomes very difficult to say what is and isn't "factory" without FCA build documentation and 2. Over 60 years have passed and in that time MANY MANY MANY things could have been altered, modified, or otherwise been changed.
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LD3 Greg
Posted 2019-05-09 12:14 AM (#581961 - in reply to #581957)
Subject: Re: 1957 Dodge Sierra D-500


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Well. Most of the key chassis equipment components had factory part numbers embossed on them and to pinpoint things even further, a lot of these parts had date codes also embossed! Wayne Graefen did years of research to determine the acceptable time lapse between these date codes and particular scheduled build dates which were clearly posted on body plates and punch cards.

When it comes to real embossed numbers, we don't need any help from previous owners. Most of the work Neil and I did was based on embossed numbers!

Greg
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