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hemidenis
Posted 2019-05-03 7:43 PM (#581729)
Subject: EFI for $800,00



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Are we almost there with a complete EFi for $800,00 good up to 400hp engines. Only 2 components to add, the oxygen sensor and the temperature sensor.

https://fitechefi.com/products/30003/



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56D500boy
Posted 2019-05-03 8:55 PM (#581732 - in reply to #581729)
Subject: RE: EFI for $800,00



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hemidenis - 2019-05-03 4:43 PM

Are we almost there with a complete EFi for $800,00 good up to 400hp engines. Only 2 components to add, the oxygen sensor and the temperature sensor.



Interesting.

Does it fit on a WCFB four barrel manifold?

On a true dual exhaust engine, where does the oxygen sensor bung go? Or do you need two?

Temp sensor goes ??

Just curious.

That and catalytic converters, I could feel less guilty about burning 94 at 10 mpg.

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mikes2nd
Posted 2019-05-03 9:16 PM (#581734 - in reply to #581729)
Subject: Re: EFI for $800,00


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i was going to go with the Holley, its selling much better kit than the fitech. I have been watching the "issues" closely and I got scared off.

I hope it works but I think im going with a carb. I see many failures happening and issues popping up all the time...

An injector fails, the screen fails, leaks, strange issues pop up a year later... all kinds of issues.

i think the bugs are being worked out and I know the guys who have them working aren't showing up saying hey im working great... i see tons of issues with all efi setups...

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hemidenis
Posted 2019-05-03 10:00 PM (#581737 - in reply to #581729)
Subject: Re: EFI for $800,00



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I agree they still have issues, but none like the carbs. carbs are just so unreliable, we all went through the embarrassment of not starting when hot... look at the modern cars, 250k miles and never touch the fuel system. try that with a carburetor.. I think the O2 sensor goes in any side of the exhaust system...








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wizard
Posted 2019-05-04 2:50 AM (#581742 - in reply to #581729)
Subject: Re: EFI for $800,00



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A friend installed the Holley Sniper on a Chevy 283.
It runs too rich and won't start when the engine is hot.
Now he bought a dizzy that connects to the control box as well for to see if that's better.

The lambda sond is installed in one exhaust tube as per instructions.
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mstrug
Posted 2019-05-04 5:56 AM (#581746 - in reply to #581729)
Subject: Re: EFI for $800,00



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This guy is funny:

http://www.etotheipiplusone.net/?p=4394

There are a couple youtube videos that explain the parameters of the system and setting limits.
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1960fury
Posted 2019-05-04 7:00 AM (#581748 - in reply to #581737)
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hemidenis - 2019-05-03 10:00 PM

I agree they still have issues, but none like the carbs. carbs are just so unreliable, we all went through the embarrassment of not starting when hot...



Was that meant to be a joke? If you know your carb it just can't fail. They are so simple and reliable actually nothing can fail. And if it does, you can rebuild/fix it in a few minutes on the side of the road for another 200K miles of trouble free operation.
On a Holley the needle seat, is exchanged in 5 minutes. However, mine is still unchanged since the early 90s. Try to fix a EFI if it fails.

The only fuel related break down (that required towing) I ever experienced was with a brand new car. Failing EFI.

No, I never experienced hot starting problems with a carburetor.
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mikes2nd
Posted 2019-05-04 10:31 AM (#581751 - in reply to #581729)
Subject: Re: EFI for $800,00


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Yeah i'm leaning toward a carb for reliability I just checked and there is like 3 more complaints on their efi's this morning. I think its still a bit early yet.

a lot of emf issues also.

Carbs can have minor issues but my car will only be driven in good weather and nice days, ill have an electronic choke also.

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57chizler
Posted 2019-05-04 4:58 PM (#581775 - in reply to #581729)
Subject: RE: EFI for $800,00



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hemidenis - 2019-05-03 4:43 PM

Are we almost there with a complete EFi for $800,00 good up to 400hp engines. Only 2 components to add, the oxygen sensor and the temperature sensor.

https://fitechefi.com/products/30003/


"Complete" except for the fuel delivery components?
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Old Ray
Posted 2019-05-04 6:45 PM (#581780 - in reply to #581775)
Subject: RE: EFI for $800,00



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57chizler - 2019-05-04 2:58 PM "Complete" except for the fuel delivery components?

Yep, ...................... file under the alternate facts category.
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hemidenis
Posted 2019-05-04 9:35 PM (#581783 - in reply to #581729)
Subject: Re: EFI for $800,00



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Go Street EFI + In-line Fuel Pump Master Kit
$994.00, a few hundreds more than restore the original carb.
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mikes2nd
Posted 2019-05-05 10:13 AM (#581802 - in reply to #581729)
Subject: Re: EFI for $800,00


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FiTech facebook group... like 5 issues posted yesterday...

guy dynoed 25 hp on his truck... it lost his fuel map
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Chrome58
Posted 2019-05-05 1:25 PM (#581816 - in reply to #581729)
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Well, if I cannot solve my current cart flooding problems with my 2 x 4 setup, I might go down that road ...
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wayfarer
Posted 2019-05-08 3:01 PM (#581942 - in reply to #581729)
Subject: Re: EFI for $800,00



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Here is a project using the Holley Sniper system. The efi starts at post #673

http://p15-d24.com/topic/47345-512-cid-c-series-on-dakota-chassis-b...
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dlyle
Posted 2019-05-08 4:03 PM (#581944 - in reply to #581729)
Subject: Re: EFI for $800,00



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I've got a Hillman Husky with a Ford 302. Originally had a carb and it never ran right. Put a Fast EZ-EFI on it and couldn't be happier. Car starts right up and idles perfectly. Better gas mileage too. It has a dual exhaust and only uses 1 o2 sensor.

This was a few years ago so things have gotten cheaper. If you can get one with data logging. Depending on the system an EFI expert can log in to your car (from anywhere) and tune your car or help you troubleshoot any potential issues.

With today's gas it seems to be very difficult to get a carb running good consistently.



http://www.dougscars.com/husky-updates.html

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normsclassicradio
Posted 2019-05-08 6:11 PM (#581949 - in reply to #581729)
Subject: Re: EFI for $800,00



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Having training in factory EFI (Ford and Chrysler) I have to wonder if using an existing system from a similar size engine from the 90's or so wouldn't be more reliable. Mopar Magnum systems being smarter than Ford EEC-V.
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Powerflite
Posted 2019-05-08 7:34 PM (#581952 - in reply to #581729)
Subject: Re: EFI for $800,00



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The great benefit of the new aftermarket EFI systems is that they are self learning. You're not going to get that with an OE setup. Make any cam, gear etc. change, and you've got to spend weeks re-mapping the fuel & spark to get it to run right again. But with self-learning systems, it is done automatically. Additionally, you don't have to get the manufacturer to overwrite other expected systems like the ignition theft circuit, ABS, etc, etc. I guess if you are worried about reliability, you should bring a carb & pressure reducer that you can pop on in case you have any issues.
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57burb
Posted 2019-05-09 11:15 AM (#581967 - in reply to #581949)
Subject: Re: EFI for $800,00



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I only have two anecdotes with these "carb replacement" EFI systems. Both FiTech, and both bad.

First is a friend with an '80s El Camino. When he started, this was a good running carbureted 383ci sbc with a T56 manual trans and a small 4-71 supercharger. This combo ran great with an out of the box Holley 750 double pumper. It really never had any starting issues or stumbles and made plenty of power. For some reason he decided to put a FiTech on it. He got the super deluxe version of it, and right away it ran terribly. It would always barely start, hot or cold. And it would always take it 5 or more minutes to sound like it was running "right" enough to even drive it. He did the 1000+ "learning" miles with it, and every one of those miles it was a farting, burbling mess. He replaced the blower with an Edelbrock 4bbl intake, hoping it was something to do with the little bit of boost it was making. That made no difference. He still has the FiTech on there, but he's disgusted with the entire experience and it runs so bad he's embarrassed to drive it anywhere. It hasn't moved beyond the driveway in months now. Yes of course he's been on with their techs a bunch, but they're having so many issues in the field it's hard to coordinate troubleshooting.

Second anecdote is the local "old car dealership" that my dad works at. Any time they buy a car that has a FiTech, the first thing they do is replace it with a new Holley and put the FiTech up on craigslist. Nuff said.

I'm very interested in hearing success stories for these, as it can be a game-changer for our old cars. The service replacement parts aren't as good as they used to be, and let's be honest - the cars are getting into the hands of people without the skills to do the required maintenance. If a carb-replacement EFI can make the cars more enjoyable then I'm all for it.
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Powerflite
Posted 2019-05-09 11:21 AM (#581969 - in reply to #581729)
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I don't have first hand experience, but I have seen plenty of cars that run them without issues. This was one of them at spring fling. His car ran excellent and he said he had no issues with it once he got the fuel system setup.



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mikes2nd
Posted 2019-05-09 11:44 AM (#581971 - in reply to #581729)
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i dont doubt its working for some... the problem is there seems to be a high failure rate and install issues. I am on the Fitech and Holley lists.... this morning alone there were 5 people complaining about issues. The holley a injector is failing, last night another one spitting. Guy returned a bad fitech and they sent him a refurb and it has issues already. Scary to see this many failures, i mean if carbs did this the world would have went back to horses.

 

you can see the nightmares, holley isnt much better. (this is just a sample from the last 24 hours from Fitech)... its insane.  Holley's "failure" rate seems to be half what Fitech is...

FiTech customer support sucks. New engine, new system. We have to pay to ship it back to be fixed. Then we get a refurbished unit back??? Customer bought a new system not refurbished. Looking at a 2 week delay. Way to go FiTech.

Edit*** One hole is shooting fuel out, and flooding. Unplug the inject at that hole, and starts and runs

another

Had mine professionally Installed. Made it about twenty miles quit controlling electric fan. Ran hot now on its way back to fitech with bad circuit board. Any body know what the turn around time is on repairs. Ran like a dream till it didn’t

another

Think I have a failing injector??‍????no matter what I do I can no longer balance my numbers from one side from the left to the right downpipe funny thing is the side that has the o2 for the fitech is the side that's rich the driver side is on point

 

 https://www.facebook.com/groups/FiTechEFIUsers/?fref=nf



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wizard
Posted 2019-05-09 1:50 PM (#581977 - in reply to #581729)
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If a guy paid all that money for more problems, he'd likely informed that it was "ok".

There's really no problem with an old reliable carb. I use to clean up 4-5 carbs and mount new gaskets and inlet needle valves every year.


The old original carburetor then works better then the Edelbrocks and Holleys (mostly due to that the old carbs are calibrated to that specific car).

So, also, every year there will be some "slightly used" Edelbrocks and Holleys for sale
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di_ch_NY56
Posted 2019-05-11 10:24 AM (#582020 - in reply to #581729)
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I agree with Wizard.

The only issue could be hard starting when the car sat really, really long. But with a primer electric fuel pump or to fill the bowls of the carb first with fresh fuel and there's no more issue.

An electric fuel pump you'll need for an EFI-System as well.

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57chizler
Posted 2019-05-11 12:20 PM (#582023 - in reply to #582020)
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I, too, am a satisfied user of the FITech system. I think the "high failure rate" reported is simply the fact that people who experience failures are more likely to make it known than satisfied users. I opted for their Fuel Command Center which seems to be the subject of many failure but mine is working fine so my anecdotal experience cancels out one failure anecdotal experience.

Another issue with electronic components is the "fiddle factor", given the ability to tweak the system settings it's possible to get yourself in a jamb and blame the system. This happened to me, I used the hand-held controller to change a bunch of parameters and soon had a car that sometimes wouldn't start and ran like crap; luckily the controller has a "return to default settings" on the menu.
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mikes2nd
Posted 2019-05-11 1:51 PM (#582026 - in reply to #581729)
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But many have problems down the road. Injectors failing, computers failing... I the one guy is on his third replacement.
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hemidenis
Posted 2019-05-11 4:39 PM (#582030 - in reply to #581729)
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Are you guys in the 60 years old Carburetor forums? the one that cost around $650.00 to restore and AFB? The carburetor is probably the most unreliably part in the car..

I have many bad experiences with carburetors, riding with my whole family and the car wont start is one of them. The Edelbrock worked fine but just for a few hundred miles, it is no much spare parts in kits for it...I dont know..I guess I'm just tired of them.

These EFI are getting the exact same reviews that the electronics distributors 15 years ago....

"oh I will never replace my point and condenser y set it every week and run fine...If the BLACK "mystery" box burn during a trip you are done!"
but I guess everybody has one now.

My daily beater Mitsubishi is 18 years old and has 230k miles on it, no a problems always start even in freezing temperatures. My 61 New yorker will never do that, too hot or mild cold and good luck also the Edelbrock carb choke take ages to open, so I have it disconnected..... The MF car wont start any moment for no reason and with out warning...





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mikes2nd
Posted 2019-05-11 8:40 PM (#582035 - in reply to #581729)
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of course there will be failures on both sides, im just seeing alot of tech issues popping up, wonder if this is due to more and more sales.

I am still 5% on the Holley... but I dunno.
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51coronet
Posted 2019-05-12 11:27 PM (#582086 - in reply to #582035)
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I have the holley system on 392 hemi and an MSD electronic distributor and several other aftermarket goodies. Havent run it yet but will chime in once I do. As a precaution I will have a carb, regulator, hose clamps, and pump ready to go if I run into issues.

These systems are still only a few years old but will be the go to once they become reliable. Personally I think its heat and cheap electronics being used in the systems. Once the brain of the system is reliable like a modern car there will be no reason to use carbs other than nostalgia, factory correct or simplicity.

The pros outweigh the cons or a carb in the end once reliability is a non issue. Mileage, exhaust fumes, performance, cold and hot starts, cylinder wall washing etc.
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57chizler
Posted 2019-05-13 12:37 PM (#582107 - in reply to #582030)
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FWIW, I've had a few discussions with the folks at FITech and they state that most of the electronic components in their system are OEM; IOW, parts like the CPU and sensors are the same as used by many current car makers.
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