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johnfin
Posted 2019-05-16 12:56 PM (#582194)
Subject: Anyone use enamel?


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old body shop guy told me that the modern base coat clear coat was designed to save money and time for car companies. its not durable. so when restoring our classics how many here use original paints like enamel?
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Powerflite
Posted 2019-05-16 3:02 PM (#582199 - in reply to #582194)
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I don't like enamel. It doesn't hold up as well as a good urethane or poly-urethane. I agree with him though, that I have not had good luck with clear coats. The clear coat doesn't last as long in the UV as the single stage paint, and is a pain to sand back down to re-paint. When clear coat dies, it peels off and makes the car look awful, but when the single stage eventually dies, it just oxidizes and looks more dull. But it can be brought back with a good coat of wax. Nothing will help a peeling clear coat except a re-paint.
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ronbo97
Posted 2019-05-16 5:03 PM (#582204 - in reply to #582194)
Subject: RE: Anyone use enamel?


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Is 20+ years considering durable ? I had a car painted twenty years ago and it still looks great. Plus it's far easier to repair in case of a chip or damage. 

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mikes2nd
Posted 2019-05-16 8:34 PM (#582208 - in reply to #582194)
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acrylic eurethane.... why not get a more durable finish for 25$ more???



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johnfin
Posted 2019-05-16 9:49 PM (#582213 - in reply to #582194)
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urethanes have deadly isocynites in them.. any sniff of
the stuff and its a brain tumor. i know a guy who died that way.
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Stroller
Posted 2019-05-17 10:34 AM (#582226 - in reply to #582194)
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I use acyrlic laquer mostly, my choice. Real pain in the bahooty because of "curing time", but holds up pretty good. I figure if works good with standing possible fuel spills and oil it should work good for the skin. But yes said to be one of the most difficult paint to use. Seems to me biggest problem with enamel is it tens to oxidize and fade easier, but it still polishes out decent untill the pain is all but gone.
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mikes2nd
Posted 2019-05-17 1:32 PM (#582233 - in reply to #582213)
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johnfin - 2019-05-16 9:49 PM urethanes have deadly isocynites in them.. any sniff of the stuff and its a brain tumor. i know a guy who died that way.

I know alot of painters who didnt use protection who are dead.  And smokers also.

Are you saying Enamel is healthy?  Of course use protection.  And I would never paint cars for a living.



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57burb
Posted 2019-05-17 3:00 PM (#582234 - in reply to #582194)
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Paint is one of those things where everyone has their own opinion and you can't definitively prove anyone wrong or right. It's sort of like asking which is a better car, a 1957 300C or a 2019 Chrysler 300. It depends who you ask.

Any paint job will last forever if you tuck it away in a garage. And any paint job will deteriorate quickly if you leave it out in the weather. It's really up to you on how good the paint will look after a few years.

Enamel is fine to use, cheap, and easy to spray in a garage. The hard part is going to be sourcing it, as it's not commonly used for automotive paint like it used to be. Enamel is very durable, but those old paints don't have the UV protection of modern stuff, so the gloss tends to fade quickly. It will require more maintenance than modern urethane single stage paint, or base/clear. But there is a distinctive appearance to enamel that you can't really replicate with anything else.

Durability is not an issue with base/clear, unless there is a chemistry problem in the clear itself or an adhesion problem between the base and clear. B/C is also not cheap for manufacturers. It's a minimum of two operations (base + optional "tricoat" finishes, like pearls + clear) so it actually takes more time and complexity.

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Powerflite
Posted 2019-05-17 3:30 PM (#582236 - in reply to #582194)
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The factory base/clear usually lasts longer than when other people do it. But even then, factory clear coats typically last around 10 years outside in the sun where I live. Whereas when other people do it, you are lucky to get 5 years out of it. And then re-painting sections is much harder to re-work and color match with the clear too. For these reasons, I steer "clear" of it.
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miquelonbrad
Posted 2019-05-17 7:42 PM (#582243 - in reply to #582194)
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My partner and a co-worker repainted a truck this fall, using enamel. But we (Canada) aren't allowed to use it on automobiles anymore...too much VOC pollution they say. So...you ask for tractor/equipment paint at the body shop supply. Then no problem.
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