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macedon
Posted 2019-05-29 5:44 PM (#582663)
Subject: 61 De Soto



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Not the last one, but towards the end. Looks like 3 November from the tag. Significant rust issues.

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1960fury
Posted 2019-05-29 7:10 PM (#582670 - in reply to #582663)
Subject: Re: 61 De Soto



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Nice car. Once had a 61 coupe, one of the very last (only 3 followed, 1130). This one looks like 1101 to me (Nov.01).
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slimwhitman
Posted 2019-05-30 7:30 AM (#582689 - in reply to #582663)
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Rare car. Good colors. Worthy of a nice restoration.
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CustomRoyal
Posted 2019-05-30 12:22 PM (#582701 - in reply to #582663)
Subject: RE: 61 De Soto


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Owned this one 25 yrs ago. Rare color.
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Nick Nichols
Posted 2019-06-03 4:40 PM (#582882 - in reply to #582701)
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Was the car as rusty as it is now back then? Was it a driver? It has potential, but man, that rust looks scary.
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b5rt
Posted 2019-06-03 9:41 PM (#582891 - in reply to #582663)
Subject: Re: 61 De Soto



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Trunk lip could've used some drain tubes.
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CustomRoyal
Posted 2019-06-03 10:40 PM (#582895 - in reply to #582882)
Subject: RE: 61 De Soto


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No. Car had little rust when I had it. Was one of the nicest, tightest old cars I ever had. Engine was super quiet. Should have never sold it. Beautiful turquoise and white colors. Bought new by a college professor in southern Connecticut. He kept track of the gas mileage in a book in the glove box since it was new. Sold it in 1997, Last saw it in 2008
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Nick Nichols
Posted 2019-06-04 12:33 AM (#582903 - in reply to #582895)
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Boy it sure went downhill fast. Whet a shame
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1960fury
Posted 2019-06-04 8:54 AM (#582915 - in reply to #582891)
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b5rt - 2019-06-03 9:41 PM

Trunk lip could've used some drain tubes.


No, just paint. properly painted steel does not rust. I can paint a raw steel dish and fill it with salt water and let it sit for 50+ years without any rust. I wonder who the idea with the drain tubes had! Drill holes in metal to avoid holes? Just paint will take care of that problem.
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fc7_plumcrazy
Posted 2019-06-10 8:49 AM (#583196 - in reply to #582663)
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Lets hope it will return back to the road soon

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wizard
Posted 2019-06-10 12:05 PM (#583210 - in reply to #582663)
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The trunk drains served for to avoid filling up the trunk weatherstrip with the two pools of water. Once the weather strip was soaked in water the rust started to grow under the weatherstrip.
The paint was partially dissolved by the weatherstrip glue, hence naked sheetmetal in some spots.
I have mounted two homemade trunk drains that actually works very nice.

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1960fury
Posted 2019-06-10 3:19 PM (#583227 - in reply to #583210)
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wizard - 2019-06-10 12:05 PM

The trunk drains served for to avoid filling up the trunk weatherstrip with the two pools of water. Once the weather strip was soaked in water the rust started to grow under the weatherstrip.
The paint was partially dissolved by the weatherstrip glue, hence naked sheetmetal in some spots.
I have mounted two homemade trunk drains that actually works very nice.



The trunk edge was too high to receive the anti corrosion dipping (hence no drain holes). It was painted with a spray gun. That means they never realy coated
it where the seal goes. With properly painted steel soaked rubber is absolutely no problem and the excellent baked on factory primer is not affected by glue.

The correct way to solve the problem is to install the seal not with glue but with body sealer, so water can't go under it, into the trunk
as the inner lip is lower than the outer.
This is the reason behind the leaking trunk seals of 60 Mopars. While the trunk lid has a smooth seal contacting surface,
the so called "gutter" (under the seal) does not and the weatherstripping can't conform to sharp edges. There are panel joints and to make things even worse they never realy coated it, as mentioned above.

Edited by 1960fury 2019-06-10 3:22 PM
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1960fury
Posted 2019-06-12 8:16 AM (#583325 - in reply to #583227)
Subject: Re: 61 De Soto



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1960fury - 2019-06-10 3:19 PM

wizard - 2019-06-10 12:05 PM

The trunk drains served for to avoid filling up the trunk weatherstrip with the two pools of water. Once the weather strip was soaked in water the rust started to grow under the weatherstrip.
The paint was partially dissolved by the weatherstrip glue, hence naked sheetmetal in some spots.
I have mounted two homemade trunk drains that actually works very nice.



The trunk edge was too high to receive the anti corrosion dipping (hence no drain holes). It was painted with a spray gun. That means they never realy coated
it where the seal goes. With properly painted steel soaked rubber is absolutely no problem and the excellent baked on factory primer is not affected by glue.

The correct way to solve the problem is to install the seal not with glue but with body sealer, so water can't go under it, into the trunk
as the inner lip is lower than the outer.
This is the reason behind the leaking trunk seals of 60 Mopars. While the trunk lid has a smooth seal contacting surface,
the so called "gutter" (under the seal) does not and the weatherstripping can't conform to sharp edges. There are panel joints and to make things even worse they never realy coated it, as mentioned above.


Here is what I mean. The 60 Plymouth has its "puddle-area" too, not the rear but the forward edge of the trunk weatherstrip channel. There is even a 1/8"+ gap in the inner lip.
My 60 leaked there. I didn't take before pictures but I welded the inner lip together and smoothed the inner channel and and installed the weatherstripping with black body sealer. Hasn't leaked a drop ever since.

This is the correct way to install the trunk seal: Adjust the trunk lid so it comforms as good as possible (sigh) with the body, do NOT pay attention to weatherstrip sealing/seal contact.
Lay a HEAVY bead of black Polyurethane body sealer into the channel, then position the trunk seal. Do NOT push it into the channel, let the closed trunk lid do that. You may want to adjust the trunk lid temporarely a tad higher, so there is some crush and you may want to wipe off excess body sealer (hard to remove when cured!) while it is still wet from the inside, in the trunk.
You will never have any trunk sealing problems again. Drilling thru the body and trunk floor (!) to install drain pipes (that can clog) is treating the symptom, not the cause of the problem.

Edited by 1960fury 2019-06-12 8:27 AM




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