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Viper Guy
Posted 2019-07-27 12:40 PM (#585282)
Subject: Front brake shoes for '59 DeSoto Firesweep



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Hey guys,

I find all kinds of shoes on the internet but none specify the size. I want to replace my originals with what will work the best. I have not disassembled mine yet but I'm thinking they would be 11" by 2 1/2". Am I right? My guess is that the Dodge models comparable to the Firesweep are the same. And my car is just a standard Firesweep with factory power brakes and not Adventurer powered or any heavy duty suspension that I see. I'm only interested in replacing the shoes and not interested in converting to disc brakes - just to keep it factory original.

Thanks,

Fred
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56D500boy
Posted 2019-07-27 1:06 PM (#585283 - in reply to #585282)
Subject: RE: Front brake shoes for '59 DeSoto Firesweep



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You are going to have to at least pull the drum to figure out for sure if they are 11 x 2 or 11 x 2.5. Probably but not necessarily the 11 x 2.5, based on the list below. I don't have 59 info but in the 57-58 period, the Dodges and the Desoto Firesweeps shared a lot of parts (because the Firesweep was built on the smaller Dodge chassis). For 57, the Firesweep was an S27; for 58, the Firesweep was the LS1. As you will see below, at least in the 57-58 period, the S27 and LS1 designations for the brake shoe PNs are mixed in with the various D66, LD3, etc designations. Looks mostly like 11 x 2.5". PN 1818 506 in 1957 and 1879 401 in 1958.

Some 11 x 2.5s on eBay (?):

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/1957-1958-Dodge-Brake-Shoes-FRESH-STOCK-for-...

Hope this helps a bit.







Edited by 56D500boy 2019-07-27 1:19 PM




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Viper Guy
Posted 2019-07-27 1:19 PM (#585284 - in reply to #585282)
Subject: Re: Front brake shoes for '59 DeSoto Firesweep



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Yeah, that's kinda what I figured. The best way is to pull the drum and check to be exact. Once that's done, I should be able to get the correct replacements.

Thank you 56D500boy, you always have a wealth of usable information - sincerely appreciated.

Fred
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56D500boy
Posted 2019-07-27 2:11 PM (#585285 - in reply to #585284)
Subject: Re: Front brake shoes for '59 DeSoto Firesweep



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Viper Guy - 2019-07-27 10:19 AM
Thank you 56D500boy, you always have a wealth of usable information - sincerely appreciated.
Fred


Thanks. You're welcome. I do try to help.

But truth to be known, I do NOT KNOW ANYTHING. However, I do know how to find things and present the results. Case in point, I was limiting myself to the 55-58 Mopar Parts manual pdf that I use ALL THE TIME for my 56 Dodge when looking for an answer to your question. Having posted what I found based on 57-58 Dodge/Firesweep connections, I gave my forehead a slap after I realized that I could probably find a 59 Mopar parts catalogue. Which I just did by going to Mymopar.com:

http://www.mymopar.com/index.php?pid=107

I downloaded, saved and opened the "1959 Mopar Parts Book" pdf. I first checked the 59 model designations, e.g. Dodge Custom Royal = MD3 and Desoto Firesweep = MS1. Knowing that, I went to Section 5-03-1 (same as in the 55-58 Parts book) and found what was needed: The big Dodges and the Firesweeps shared the 11 x 2.5 brake systems and the PN for your shoes would be 1879 401. This is the same as the 1958 part number. See below.

Now I know I helped and I now have a new resource to check, the 59 Parts book.

EDIT: I just realized (another forehead slap) that the PNs that I was quoting were for the linings, not the shoes AND linings. In this case the PN is 1850965 1959 Dodge/Firesweep/Windsor 11 x 2.5" Front and Rear Brake shoes.



Edited by 56D500boy 2019-07-27 2:29 PM




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Viper Guy
Posted 2019-07-27 2:45 PM (#585287 - in reply to #585282)
Subject: Re: Front brake shoes for '59 DeSoto Firesweep



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Thanks again 56D500boy.

Question: I see where there is a different P/N (1943804) for 11" x 2 1/2" front shoes and linings indicating 3 platform guides including 1959 MS1 DeSotos. What difference does this make?

Edited by Viper Guy 2019-07-27 2:47 PM
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56D500boy
Posted 2019-07-27 3:08 PM (#585294 - in reply to #585287)
Subject: Re: Front brake shoes for '59 DeSoto Firesweep



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Center plane vs Three Platform. Pull a drum and check the shoe retaining system. Different.




http://www.imperialclub.com/Repair/Lit/Master/138/page01.htm





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Viper Guy
Posted 2019-07-27 3:59 PM (#585296 - in reply to #585282)
Subject: Re: Front brake shoes for '59 DeSoto Firesweep



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After reviewing the instructions and diagrams in the material you provided, I hope I have the later 3 platform type. They seem to be simpler but I have worked on the earlier version too. It is what it is.
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Powerflite
Posted 2019-07-27 4:20 PM (#585299 - in reply to #585282)
Subject: Re: Front brake shoes for '59 DeSoto Firesweep



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Once you figure out how to work with the old style spring, there isn't a lot of difference between them.
If you would like to improve your braking, purchase some 12" drum setups from BigM. He sells a lot of them.
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matador440
Posted 2019-07-27 6:05 PM (#585304 - in reply to #585299)
Subject: Re: Front brake shoes for '59 DeSoto Firesweep



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i ALSO HAVE THE 12" CONVERSION COMPLETE OR THE 11X2 OR 11X2.5 SHOES iM IN MARYLAND

THANKS
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mobileparts
Posted 2019-07-29 12:29 AM (#585342 - in reply to #585282)
Subject: Re: Front brake shoes for '59 DeSoto Firesweep


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I have listed all over this forum -- that I have every single Mopar shoe
In ++ Asbestos ++ for nice smooooooth braking.....
Probably going to be the 11" x 2 1/2" but smart to verify -- before shipping
Wrong parts.....
Always best to simply call me -- Craig -- 516 - 485 - 1935.... ALL of my
Mopar Shoes have No CORES Deposit Required -- hence, NO return
shipping, as well....
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mobileparts
Posted 2019-07-29 12:32 AM (#585343 - in reply to #585282)
Subject: Re: Front brake shoes for '59 DeSoto Firesweep


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Branson, Missouri, I just noticed -- didn't I send you some goodies a
few years ago????
Call me -- Craig, Mobile Parts -- 516 - 485 - 1935.....
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Viper Guy
Posted 2019-07-30 12:20 PM (#585390 - in reply to #585343)
Subject: Re: Front brake shoes for '59 DeSoto Firesweep



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mobileparts - 2019-07-28 11:32 PM

Branson, Missouri, I just noticed -- didn't I send you some goodies a
few years ago????
Call me -- Craig, Mobile Parts -- 516 - 485 - 1935.....


Yes you did for a '60 Dodge Polara - everything was great and I put in a plug for you at the time.

Just underwent surgery so my brake repair on the DeSoto will have to wait a few weeks. But I'm pretty sure they are 11 x 2.5. Not sure about early or late design. Are the shoes the same regardless?
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mobileparts
Posted 2019-07-31 6:24 AM (#585412 - in reply to #585282)
Subject: Re: Front brake shoes for '59 DeSoto Firesweep


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No -- but -- YES.....
The later design will work on the early, the early will only work on the early.
You need the later design -- and that IS what I have -- so you are good to go.
Call me, when you're up and about....
And you already know I have the great stuff -- N.O.S. ++ Asbestos ++
Feel better, yours, Craig....
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