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Kev57ply
Posted 2019-07-28 5:41 PM (#585328)
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Anyone please help with decoding any information on my car as I know nothing about it and can’t find anything on linevehicle number 22334550

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56D500boy
Posted 2019-07-28 6:00 PM (#585329 - in reply to #585328)
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Kev57ply - 2019-07-28 2:41 PM

Anyone please help with decoding any information on my car as I know nothing about it and can’t find anything on line vehicle number 22334550


That doesn't tell us much. All that says, is V8 122 in wheelbase Suburban built in Evansville.

You'll need to take a photo of the body tag (not with an iPhone and post it up here) to get more.

Example (57 Dodge) body tag below:



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Kev57ply
Posted 2019-07-28 6:21 PM (#585330 - in reply to #585328)
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My 57 doesn’t have that tag just the vehicle number and the body number
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56D500boy
Posted 2019-07-28 7:10 PM (#585335 - in reply to #585330)
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Kev57ply - 2019-07-28 3:21 PM

My 57 doesn’t have that tag just the vehicle number and the body number


Well that won't get you much info. Have a look for the assembly line broadcast sheet, sometims behind the glove boxes or under the
carpeting, as they've been discovered, on many U- built cars.

Something like this 57 Dodge broadcast sheet:






(57DodgeCustomRoyalLancer19Kmiles_BroadcastSheet.jpg)



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arizona mopar gold
Posted 2019-07-29 2:30 AM (#585350 - in reply to #585330)
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Kev57ply - 2019-07-28 3:21 PM

My 57 doesn’t have that tag just the vehicle number and the body number


Is it missing or are you looking in the wrong place?
Its under the hood on the cowl on the passengers side top edge by the hood hinge
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Kev57ply
Posted 2019-07-29 5:24 AM (#585352 - in reply to #585328)
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There’s nothing there not even holes where it would have been the only tag is drivers side which is in the attachment on the original post and the vehicle number seems this is why I can’t find out any info on it I am sure I read on another page that early Plymouth’s didn’t come with that data tag
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Kev57ply
Posted 2019-07-29 5:25 AM (#585353 - in reply to #585328)
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And the carpet was long gone when I bought it if it was in there it’s likely the rats ate it or it fell out the holes in the floor lol
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Kev57ply
Posted 2019-07-29 5:27 AM (#585354 - in reply to #585328)
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Based on the info so far if it’s 122 wheelbase that’s interesting as it’s not a surburban
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56D500boy
Posted 2019-07-29 8:44 AM (#585356 - in reply to #585354)
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You won't get much more from us on the basis of the lack of info to work with. IF you want more, you're going to have to contact Fiat Chrysler America's Historical division and request the IBM card and anything else that they can tell you. You will have to send them proof of ownership.

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Kev57ply
Posted 2019-07-29 11:46 AM (#585360 - in reply to #585328)
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No worries that’s what I thought end of the line for now thanks for your help

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Posted 2019-07-31 4:26 AM (#585410 - in reply to #585354)
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Kev57ply - 2019-07-29 2:27 AM

Based on the info so far if it’s 122 wheelbase that’s interesting as it’s not a surburban


"All" Wagons used the 122in wheel base, no matter the brand
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Chrycoman
Posted 2019-09-27 5:26 AM (#588016 - in reply to #585328)
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22,334,550 is for a 1957 Plymouth V8, body style and series unknown. Wagons were 122" with non-wagons at 118"

The wheelbase column as shown in the page from the parts manual actually lines up with the column just to the right of the model year.

Thus the "Plaza" is 118" while the "Suburban" is 122".

So the non-wagon Plaza, Savoy and Belvedere models have a 118" wheelbase and all Suburbans are 122".


Lynch Road and Evansville plants did not have body plates with details as East Jefferson, Wyoming Ave, Hamtramck and Los Angeles used, a carry over from Briggs Body. It should have a body tag attached to the firewall, engine side with just Plymouth Division on top (I believe) with the body number in the centre. That's if it's still there.

Bodies for Lynch Road and Evansville were supplied from the Mack Avenue plant in Detroit. Plymouth had a body plant in Evansville, but it was not big enough to supply all the bodies needed for the assembly plant so the Mack Avenue plant built what was needed.


For 1957-59 Mopar wagons, 122" wheelbase chassis was used on Plymouth, Dodge, DeSoto Firesweep and 1958-59 Chrysler Windsor.

The DeSoto Fireflite, Chrysler New Yorker and 1957 Chrysler Windsor used a 126" wheelbase - same bodies as the 118" wagons, but with 4" longer frame and hood ahead of the windshield.


Your Plymouth, 22,334,550, is very early production. First 1957 Plymouth V8 built at Evansville was 22,330,001 so your car was the 4,550th built.

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ToMopar
Posted 2019-09-27 6:15 AM (#588019 - in reply to #588016)
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Chrycoman - 2019-09-27 10:26 AM

The DeSoto Fireflite, Chrysler New Yorker and 1957 Chrysler Windsor used a 126" wheelbase - same bodies as the 118" wagons, but with 4" longer frame and hood ahead of the windshield.



......same bodies as the 118" wagons, but with 4" longer frame and hood ahead of the windshield...


I think you mean 122" wagon body ? ....Bill (Chrycoman)

But the 126" 57 Windsor, 57-59 NYer and the 57-59 Fireflite's habe a different roofline in compare to the smaller 122" Plymouth, Dodges an 58-59 Windsor's

Could you confirm this Bill ?
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Powerflite
Posted 2019-09-27 6:56 AM (#588022 - in reply to #585328)
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I don't believe that is correct. I'm pretty sure the main body on the suburbans are all the same, no matter what the wheelbase is. That's why they all use the same tail light mount shape & fins. The different wheelbase only affects from the windshield forward. '59 Plymouth is the exception here.
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ToMopar
Posted 2019-09-27 7:58 AM (#588025 - in reply to #585328)
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Nope
the roofline is much different. I can explain you next weekend, Nathan



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56D500boy
Posted 2019-09-27 8:48 AM (#588029 - in reply to #588025)
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ToMopar - 2019-09-27 4:58 AM

the roofline is much different. I can explain you next weekend, Nathan


I think you are mistaking trim differences for roofline differences. Under the Chrysler wagon trim, it is all the same as the Desoto, Dodge and Plymouth.

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Chrycoman
Posted 2019-09-27 1:07 PM (#588047 - in reply to #588019)
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ToMopar - 2019-09-27 6:15 AM

Chrycoman - 2019-09-27 10:26 AM

The DeSoto Fireflite, Chrysler New Yorker and 1957 Chrysler Windsor used a 126" wheelbase - same bodies as the 118" wagons, but with 4" longer frame and hood ahead of the windshield.



......same bodies as the 118" wagons, but with 4" longer frame and hood ahead of the windshield...


I think you mean 122" wagon body ? ....Bill (Chrycoman)

But the 126" 57 Windsor, 57-59 NYer and the 57-59 Fireflite's habe a different roofline in compare to the smaller 122" Plymouth, Dodges an 58-59 Windsor's

Could you confirm this Bill ?


Yes, 122" wagon body. (Was thinking of Plymouth and went from there.)


The roof stamping on the Windsor, New Yorker and Fireflite wagons was different than the Plymouth, Dodge and Firesweep wagons. The Plymouth, Dodge, and Firesweep rooflines had a rain trough above the side windows from front to rear. As a result these wagons had a separate stamping to fill in the space between the rear door and the stationary window.

The Fireflite, Windsor and New Yorker had a different roof stamping that did not have a rain trough between the rear door and the stationary window. Instead the seam between the two panels was leaded in.

The roof trim on the 1959 New Yorker wagon is added on to separate the two colours. The roof stamping is the same as on all Fireflite, Windsor and New Yorker wagons.




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56D500boy
Posted 2019-09-27 1:29 PM (#588048 - in reply to #588047)
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Well. I learn something new everyday.

Thanks Bill for the info/lesson in all things Mopar. (or Chryco ) You da man.

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Powerflite
Posted 2019-09-27 4:26 PM (#588061 - in reply to #585328)
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Makes sense now that you point it out, but still odd that they would go to the trouble for that. Since they insisted on using the same body to save cost, you would think they would use the same roof too, but not so apparently. I guess they felt they had to separate out the more expensive ones somehow.
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56D500boy
Posted 2019-09-27 4:50 PM (#588062 - in reply to #588061)
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Powerflite - 2019-09-27 1:26 PM

Makes sense now that you point it out, but still odd that they would go to the trouble for that. Since they insisted on using the same body to save cost, you would think they would use the same roof too, but not so apparently.


That's what I would have thought too Nathan but Bill (Chrycoman) is correct, as per the Parts Catalogue:



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